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Old 29th September 2021, 06:47 PM   #3521
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Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan View Post
Seriously Gaetan, get help. You are clearly delusional. Please go to a doctor.
Gaetan believes in genies and djinns. That could explain a part of this.
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Old 30th September 2021, 08:16 AM   #3522
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Gaetan believes in genies and djinns. That could explain a part of this.
He also believes that sleep aids, the ones that work, are trying to kill him. I think that explains much more.
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Old 3rd October 2021, 12:09 PM   #3523
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He has previously stated that he has been diagnosed with schizophrenia which basically explains everything. Including the oscillation between clearly literate and functionally illiterate writing. The sprits, genies, djinns, aliens and what have you are apparently his rationalization for not accepting treatment. As he would lose those visual and auditory hallucinations that he perceives as other worldly beings. Also explains his distain for pharmacology in preference to supplements. The former seeks to remove what makes him 'special' (what he perceives as contact with, or simply perception of, those other worldly beings) while the later does not.


Gaetan, I once again seriously and strenuously recommend you seek professional help. While at present you don't appear to be a direct danger to yourself or anyone else. indulging, let alone basically leaning into, a psychotic disorder is probably the worst of all options.

Peer reviewed Studies: Delaying Treatment leads to poorer recovery and prognosis
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Old 3rd October 2021, 10:15 PM   #3524
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He has previously stated that he has been diagnosed with schizophrenia which basically explains everything. Including the oscillation between clearly literate and functionally illiterate writing. The sprits, genies, djinns, aliens and what have you are apparently his rationalization for not accepting treatment. As he would lose those visual and auditory hallucinations that he perceives as other worldly beings. Also explains his distain for pharmacology in preference to supplements. The former seeks to remove what makes him 'special' (what he perceives as contact with, or simply perception of, those other worldly beings) while the later does not.


Gaetan, I once again seriously and strenuously recommend you seek professional help. While at present you don't appear to be a direct danger to yourself or anyone else. indulging, let alone basically leaning into, a psychotic disorder is probably the worst of all options.

Peer reviewed Studies: Delaying Treatment leads to poorer recovery and prognosis

Totally agreed. Gaetan started this no money fantasy based on a book called "Utopia" written by Sir Thomas More in the 1500's.

You can find a summary of this book on wikipedia.

Ironically, Utopia had money, slaves and the residents were all generic, wearing the same clothes, having the same family size, even if that meant ripping babies from their mother's arms to balance out the size of families.

Residents of Utopia weren't allowed to travel and they had very little freedom.

Being in prison is similar to living in Utopia in my opinion.
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Totally agreed. Gaetan started this no money fantasy based on a book called "Utopia" written by Sir Thomas More in the 1500's.

You can find a summary of this book on wikipedia.

Ironically, Utopia had money, slaves and the residents were all generic, wearing the same clothes, having the same family size, even if that meant ripping babies from their mother's arms to balance out the size of families.

Residents of Utopia weren't allowed to travel and they had very little freedom.

Being in prison is similar to living in Utopia in my opinion.
More had many good qualities,no doubt, but along with what was mentioned above, one might consult Foxe's Book of Martyrs. Although the section on Tyndale is, in some ways, an unexpectedly humorous one, it does not come out so well, since, as I recall, More and the bishop of London conspired to have William Tyndale kidnapped from Holland and burned at the stake for the heresy of translating the Bible.

Hey Bubba, do you read the Bible in the original Latin?
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i see that you members of services watching people are corrupted to the bone
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i see that you members of services watching people are corrupted to the bone
Yes, bruto does owe you an apology for the suggestion that you've actually read the bible. I mean if you've done that, you couldn't google and then assert your own opinion.
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Old 6th October 2021, 01:37 PM   #3529
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Gaetan we don't work for the security services. Please seek help.
Yeah, that is right out there as a claim. Gish gallop? Deflection? It will be one of those.

But then one must consider that Gaetan signed up for membership here all of his lonesome. Nobody made him join against his will. He came here of his own free will to convert anyone and everyone to his own borked way of thinking, if one can call it that, and he has failed to win a single convert.
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Old 6th October 2021, 01:46 PM   #3530
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he has failed to win a single convert.
I won that debate widely, it just take a few people to make a revolution and i won more than i need, i am not really sure if you fellows exist your post could just be out of a dirty agency computer.

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Old 6th October 2021, 02:38 PM   #3531
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I won that debate widely, it just take a few people to make a revolution and i won more than i need, i am not really sure if you fellows exist your post could just be out of a dirty agency computer.
Hey, my agency computer is totally clean. But, I again, assure you that you aren't that important.
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Hey, my agency computer is totally clean. But, I again, assure you that you aren't that important.
If you would have education you would say that servant are the most important people, the Gospels say that God is a servant.
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If you would have education you would say that servant are the most important people, the Gospels say that God is a servant.
Well, it's in English lit, but it was signed by Arnold Schwarzenegger so who knows.

Not sure how your response is in any way a meaningful response to me, but, again, let me stress, I'm more watched by the government than you. I even have to report what I do to the government. You don't make the list, BTW, no time code for responding to Gaetan, but there is for breaks, but whatever.

More, relatively high ranking government employees, know about my dog than know about you.

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If you would have education you would say that servant are the most important people, the Gospels say that God is a servant.
This is gibberish. Again. God isn't real.
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I won that debate widely, it just take a few people to make a revolution and i won more than i need, i am not really sure if you fellows exist your post could just be out of a dirty agency computer.
No you didn't. Your belief system, just like your religion, has a membership of one.
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I won that debate widely,
You "won" nothing. Your arguments, such as they are got exposed. You do not like that much, but that is the reality.

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it just take a few people to make a revolution and i won more than i need,
But your argument won nobody over.

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i am not really sure if you fellows exist your post could just be out of a dirty agency computer.
great. So I can claim you are a soviet spy and you just have to accept that fact.

Right?
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If you would have education you would say that servant are the most important people, the Gospels say that God is a servant.
This is gibberish. Again. God isn't real.
Consider what was claimed. Servants are the most important people? Because why?

And GOD is a servant? Because why?

All the "omnis" are right out at that point.

Were I to hazard a guess, Gaetan's version of god is all
powerful when convenient.

Or not, when inconvenient
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...it just take a few people to make a revolution and i won more than i need...
Cool, when's your revolution happening? I want to put it in my calendar, wouldn't want to miss the fireworks!
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I won that debate widely, it just take a few people to make a revolution and i won more than i need,
Sorry to interrupt your runon sentence, but will the revolution be televised?
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You do yourself far far too much credit. The dirty agencies do not bother to post here. Nor do they argue, nor ask nor plead. When the dirty agency comes for you, you will know it.
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Sorry to interrupt your runon sentence, but will the revolution be televised?
Oh, well played.

I only come back to this thread from time to time to see whether Gaetan has made any progress either in converting anyone to their own point of view or taking on board any of the arguments against that point of view. I note that the answer to both questions is a resounding "No".

There is possibly a discussion to be had, particularly in the context of a post-scarcity society much beloved of science fiction but sadly that has proved not to be the case.
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I won that debate widely, it just take a few people to make a revolution and i won more than i need, i am not really sure if you fellows exist your post could just be out of a dirty agency computer.
Debate? You've never addressed a single point, just re-asserted your claims. There was never a debate and if there were, you didn't engage in it so how do you claim you won it?

Or is this one of those words you've got your own definition of?
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I won that debate widely, it just take a few people to make a revolution and i won more than i need, i am not really sure if you fellows exist your post could just be out of a dirty agency computer.
By that same token, how are you sure that your "few people" converts exist and are not just "out of a dirty agency computer"?

If you "won more than" you "need" why ain't your "revolution" happening yet?
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If you would have education you would say that servant are the most important people, the Gospels say that God is a servant.
It also says to serve god (Christ)

https://www.openbible.info/topics/serving_god

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Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men, knowing that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward. You are serving the Lord Christ.

Deuteronomy 13:4 ESV / 184 helpful votes
You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him.

Malachi 3:18 ESV / 159 helpful votes
Then once more you shall see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve him.

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Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men,
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I won that debate widely, it just take a few people to make a revolution and i won more than i need
Gaetan, I used money yesterday, I used money today and I'm going to use money tomorrow and beyond.

What exactly did you win?
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He has said, a few times, you will be required to work to participate in society. Of course, he will not define work or a time frame, and refuses the idea of a gatekeeper, or any accounting to define who is adding to society and who is taking from it.
I think we should replace the word work by play because voluntary work is not really work but a pleasure for those doing it.
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It also says to serve god (Christ)

https://www.openbible.info/topics/serving_god
What is not teached by Jesus Christ doesn't come from God
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Gaetan, I used money yesterday, I used money today and I'm going to use money tomorrow and beyond.

What exactly did you win?
It is a custom for you, you can't imagine a free world when you' ve always be a slave.
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What is not teached by Jesus Christ doesn't come from God
So, you have forgotten the assertion about serving two masters already?

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“No servant can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parabl...Unjust_Steward

So which is it, that it doesn't come from god so we need not heed it, or it comes from god and he is insisting we serve him and nothing else?

Once again it is simply your own assertions that oppose, well, your own assertions.
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It is a custom for you, you can't imagine a free world when you' ve always be a slave.
What happened to your converts and your revolution? Are you claiming they are simply imaginary now?

Joecool's point wasn't about imagination but simply that your stated revolution was evidently not happening. Heck, given that you still use money your asserted revolution ain't even happening just for you.
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I think we should replace the word work by play because voluntary work is not really work but a pleasure for those doing it.
No work is still work even when voluntary. In many cases still a serious, stressful and strenuous undertaking. Voluntary work becomes neither a pleasure nor play simply by being voluntary. What voluntary work do you currently perform?
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I think we should replace the word work by play because voluntary work is not really work but a pleasure for those doing it.
Yeah, no. I do not in any way, take pleasure from the work I do. I'm mostly bored silly. But I'm paid fairly well so I suck it up and do it. Let me ask you, how much should I get paid for playing video games, or watching YouTube? How much am I adding to the economy doing those activities?

What you continue to fail to understand that you are paid, more or less, on what you can add to the marketplace. There are some exceptions, of course, but if you've got some resources, that others don't have, you can earn more than minimum wage or work more than entry level jobs.
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What is not teached by Jesus Christ doesn't come from God
So the ten commandments are out. Jebus endorsed five and I know which. You do not.

ETA: There are 613 commandments. Gaetan does not know that either. Because he has not read his magic book.
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It is a custom for you, you can't imagine a free world when you' ve always be a slave.
But your god is in favour of slavery. It says so in your magic book
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So, you have forgotten the assertion about serving two masters already?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parabl...Unjust_Steward

So which is it, that it doesn't come from god so we need not heed it, or it comes from god and he is insisting we serve him and nothing else?

Once again it is simply your own assertions that oppose, well, your own assertions.
That's what i said, servants are the greatest and they are the real kings. People with education understand that.
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Yeah, no. I do not in any way, take pleasure from the work I do. I'm mostly bored silly. But I'm paid fairly well so I suck it up and do it. Let me ask you, how much should I get paid for playing video games, or watching YouTube? How much am I adding to the economy doing those activities?

What you continue to fail to understand that you are paid, more or less, on what you can add to the marketplace. There are some exceptions, of course, but if you've got some resources, that others don't have, you can earn more than minimum wage or work more than entry level jobs.
i presume that you are fully vaccinated to get your money slave
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So the ten commandments are out. Jebus endorsed five and I know which. You do not.
Mark 10.18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 19 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’[d]”
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Old 10th October 2021, 05:32 PM   #3557
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Mark 10.18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 19 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’[d]”
What do you make of the other 608 he left out for some reason?
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Old 10th October 2021, 06:18 PM   #3558
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Gaetan, I used money yesterday, I used money today and I'm going to use money tomorrow and beyond.

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It is a custom for you, you can't imagine a free world when you' ve always be a slave.
Is there a reason why you can't answer this question?
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That's what i said, servants are the greatest and they are the real kings. People with education understand that.
No that is not what you said, you said god was a servant. Yet Christ said god is the only master you should serve.


So again, which is it?

Again, even people without education understand that simply contradicting one's self means no one can agree with you. Because you just can't even agree with simply yourself.
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I can understand believing that those who are usually fated to be servants are the best people, but a world in which those people are actually servants is, then, fatally flawed.
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