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Old 7th January 2021, 05:48 AM   #2321
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It’s not as if the police didn’t know where this crowd was moving to, the bloody President told them, and since this was a protest the POTUS was going to speak at do we think there was only a handful of police at the protest? At any protest I’ve been on when a large group moves off the police would (if they let it happen at all) have maintained a cordon around them.

It really does seem to be case that the police actively (by deciding to do nothing) allowed this to happen.
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Old 7th January 2021, 05:53 AM   #2322
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Itís not as if the police didnít know where this crowd was moving to, the bloody President told them, and since this was a protest the POTUS was going to speak at do we think there was only a handful of police at the protest? At any protest Iíve been on when a large group moves off the police would (if they let it happen at all) have maintained a cordon around them.

It really does seem to be case that the police actively (by deciding to do nothing) allowed this to happen.
You have to ask yourself, could this have happened so easily if it was a BLM event?

The obvious answer is no. Police wouldn't have allowed it without way more violence.
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Old 7th January 2021, 07:04 AM   #2323
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Old 7th January 2021, 07:26 AM   #2324
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Itís not as if the police didnít know where this crowd was moving to, the bloody President told them, and since this was a protest the POTUS was going to speak at do we think there was only a handful of police at the protest? At any protest Iíve been on when a large group moves off the police would (if they let it happen at all) have maintained a cordon around them.

It really does seem to be case that the police actively (by deciding to do nothing) allowed this to happen.
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You have to ask yourself, could this have happened so easily if it was a BLM event?

The obvious answer is no. Police wouldn't have allowed it without way more violence.
There have been multiple examples provided of Capitol Police reacting much more swiftly and violently for far less egregious transgressions.

Hereís documentarian Josh Fox being arrested in 2012:
https://mobile.twitter.com/joshfoxfi...09256634068994

They sent a dozen officers who responded within 15 minutes. To arrest one man.

Here are the Capitol Police dragging paraplegics out of their wheelchairs during a protest in 2017:
https://mobile.twitter.com/andrewkim...23176505184257

They arrested 43 people that day. Last nightís tally? 13 arrests.

Meanwhile, hereís a bunch of dudes just casually hanging out at their hotel after carrying out a violent coup attempt:
https://mobile.twitter.com/WilliamTu...80282243678209

The vast majority of these people were allowed to just stroll right out of the crime scene and go home. Some of them have already been identified online, and yet they all got to wake up in their own beds this morning and check their social media accounts to see how many likes they got for the selfies they took while committing crimes.
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Old 7th January 2021, 12:36 PM   #2325
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in all the news of the fascist riot in DC, this shouldn't pass without notice:

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Today in LA, white supremacists at the “Stop The Steal” rally attacked a Black woman.

The woman was walking home when 20 people surrounded her, demanding to know who she voted for.

They shoved her, pepper-sprayed her, and punched her in the face before our friends helped her.
Fascist demonstrators in LA attacked a random black woman on the street.

https://twitter.com/chadloder/status...33549879939075
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Old 7th January 2021, 12:42 PM   #2326
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
You have to ask yourself, could this have happened so easily if it was a BLM event?

The obvious answer is no. Police wouldn't have allowed it without way more violence.
Capitol police would react far more strongly to Louis Farakhan showing up with a couple of his underlings.

Black Lives Matter, Black Men Cook, probably Lewis Black too.
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Old 7th January 2021, 12:44 PM   #2327
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
in all the news of the fascist riot in DC, this shouldn't pass without notice:



Fascist demonstrators in LA attacked a random black woman on the street.

https://twitter.com/chadloder/status...33549879939075
ďWhite supremacists will attack anyone nearby, including local residents just minding their own business.

ESPECIALLY if those residents are Black women. Do you understand why we ask you come out and counter-protest the nazis?

The police do not keep people safe. We keep us safe.ď

Hard to argue with this, especially after what we saw happen in D.C. yesterday.
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Old 7th January 2021, 12:45 PM   #2328
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
“White supremacists will attack anyone nearby, including local residents just minding their own business.

ESPECIALLY if those residents are Black women. Do you understand why we ask you come out and counter-protest the nazis?

The police do not keep people safe. We keep us safe.“

Hard to argue with this, especially after what we saw happen in D.C. yesterday.
Yes. Local antifascists aided this woman on the scene, treating her pepperspray injury, and they have already ID'd the guy pinning her arms behind her back and got him fired.

Cops are worthless as usual.
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Old 7th January 2021, 12:49 PM   #2329
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Yes. Local antifascists aided this woman on the scene, treating her pepperspray injury, and they have already ID'd the guy pinning her arms behind her back and got him fired.

Cops are worthless as usual.
In fairness to the cops, they might have been busy assisting an elderly felon leave the scene of an attempted coup.
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Old 7th January 2021, 04:19 PM   #2330
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
ďWhite supremacists will attack anyone nearby, including local residents just minding their own business.

ESPECIALLY if those residents are Black women. Do you understand why we ask you come out and counter-protest the nazis?

The police do not keep people safe. We keep us safe.ď

Hard to argue with this, especially after what we saw happen in D.C. yesterday.
For reference, this has always been true when these ********* start rampaging. I'm still against attacking property in most circumstances (I maintain that it can, on occasion, lead to improvements, but this almost never holds true especially for small, family-owned businesses), but these white supremacists insist on attacking random (or more often, not so random) people caught unaware, which is very different.

One matter about armed antifa is that, when this happens, they'll often be the ones protecting innocent people while police stand there with their thumbs up their backsides.
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Old 7th January 2021, 05:00 PM   #2331
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Meanwhile, the Trump cult media is trying to say that those people who raided the Capitol were anitifa in disguise.

I wonder how they explain that fact that Trump tweeted how much he loves those people.
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Old 7th January 2021, 05:03 PM   #2332
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Meanwhile, the Trump cult media is trying to say that those people who raided the Capitol were anitifa in disguise.

I wonder how they explain that fact that Trump tweeted how much he loves those people.
It wasn't a problem when they tried to say his bleach and lightbulb comments referred to real and promising medical treatments and he publicly said it was a joke.

They really don't care about any kind of honesty or conisistency.
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Old 9th January 2021, 04:18 AM   #2333
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Nibo and a photographer who captured the attack said Los Angeles police officers were across the street, but never intervened.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...man?origin=tuh

Quote from article about the fascists that attacked a random black woman in the streets of LA.

Cops won't lift a finger to stop fascist violence. Wonder why?
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Old 9th January 2021, 11:40 AM   #2334
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White man who drove into Iowa protesters avoids prison after guilty plea:
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A white man who deliberately sped his car through a crowd of racial injustice protesters in Iowa City, striking several, will avoid prison and have the incident erased from his record if he stays out of trouble for three years.
Itís all good, though. It wasnít really his fault and he said he was sorry:
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Stepanekís attorney John Bruzek said his client was influenced by social media and political rhetoric characterizing the protesters as dangerous criminals. Stepanek initially believed he was legally justified but has come to see he was wrong and apologized, Bruzek said.
From that same article:
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A 20-year-old Black protester who carried an assault rifle through an Iowa City crowd in June has been indicted on a federal charge of illegally possessing a gun while using marijuana. The man, who faces up to 10 years in prison, had already been prosecuted by Johnson County on related charges after the gun was found during a traffic stop following the protest.
White privilege for the win!
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Old 9th January 2021, 10:16 PM   #2335
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Law enforcement are surrounding the capital with the same fence types that they are using in Portland Oregon to protect the Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse. I know this is shocking and horrifying to some of you. I maintain my position that these fences, as imperfect as they are, are a useful tool to law enforcement to protect federal buildings from rioters.
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Old 9th January 2021, 10:31 PM   #2336
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Meanwhile, the Trump cult media is trying to say that those people who raided the Capitol were anitifa in disguise.

I wonder how they explain that fact that Trump tweeted how much he loves those people.
and they are very special.
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Old 9th January 2021, 10:34 PM   #2337
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Law enforcement are surrounding the capital with the same fence types that they are using in Portland Oregon to protect the Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse. I know this is shocking and horrifying to some of you. I maintain my position that these fences, as imperfect as they are, are a useful tool to law enforcement to protect federal buildings from rioters.
so why didn't they have pepper ball guns?
on their own, these fences do little to nothing.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
so why didn't they have pepper ball guns?
on their own, these fences do little to nothing.
I have no idea why the didn't have pepper ball guns. Seems like it would have been good if they did.
The fences are/were never meant to be on their own, but a tool of law enforcement. Here is a photo for you:
https://thebulwark.com/wheres-congress/
I do not understand the controversy of these fences. It has been a tool of law enforcement and crowd control since forever.
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Old 9th January 2021, 10:58 PM   #2339
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it's not about the fence, obviously.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
so why didn't they have pepper ball guns?
on their own, these fences do little to nothing.
Well, most of the riot gear is in the hands of Parks, National Guard, and the like, which is why Dolt 45 was able to easily find it when he wanted to attack nonviolent protestors so he could walk across the street and hold a bible upside down.

The fence thing is PortlandAtheist being confused about his own arguments that protecting property from a couple of idiots makes mass violence worthwhile. Obviously doesn't apply to a disorganized terrorist pack trying to overthrow a government, even when the people involved are just a particularly incompetent lynch mob.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
it's not about the fence, obviously.
For the life of me, I do not understand why individuals get so hot and bothered by the use of fences used to protect federal buildings from attacks.
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Well, most of the riot gear is in the hands of Parks, National Guard, and the like, which is why Dolt 45 was able to easily find it when he wanted to attack nonviolent protestors so he could walk across the street and hold a bible upside down.

The fence thing is PortlandAtheist being confused about his own arguments that protecting property from a couple of idiots makes mass violence worthwhile. Obviously doesn't apply to a disorganized terrorist pack trying to overthrow a government, even when the people involved are just a particularly incompetent lynch mob.
It OBVIOUSLY does apply to the disorganized terrorist attacks against our government. I support these fences 100% for such a purpose. I hope and wish each and every one of these mother ******* spends time in a prison cell. How is it that you constantly imagine and assume that I have sympathy for them? You do this over and over and over again. That is is about choosing which bullies to "side" with. I can't wait for law enforcement to warrant the cell towers, to put these ******* on no-fly lists, for them to lose their jobs, for them to be removed from social media, and to go to jail. I'm not sympathetic to them and yet you insinuate that I am over and over again.
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Old 9th January 2021, 11:38 PM   #2343
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Yes. Yes, you are.

Right wing terrorists are currently occupying the Capitol and you keep wanting to talk about how both sides are bad. Thatís exactly how whataboutism works.
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Did you guys catch Joe Scarborough's epic rant on this? I'm curious if you guys would describe it as whataboutism.
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So I want to know from the Capital police: is it just white people? or Donald Trump supporters?
Why do you scream at people walking across the street three blocks away from the capital. Why are you not as bad asses around the capital? But then Trump supporters come in and you OPEN THE ******* DOORS FOR THEM! YOU OPEN THE DOORS FOR THEM! AND LET THEM BREACH THE PEOPLES HOUSE! What is wrong with you!!? I also want to know, are we a nation of laws? Or are we a nation of one man? Donald J. Trump called for the insurection of the United States of America. He called for it. Rudy Guilliani called for combat justice just an hour or two before this happened. Donald Trump Jr. said "We are coming for you". That is an insurrection against the United States of America and if Donald Trump Jr. and Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump are not arrested today for insurection and taken to jail
and booked. And if the capital hill police do not go through every video, and look at the face of every person that invaded our capital. And if they are not arrested and brought to justice today, then we are no longer a nation of laws and we can only tell people they can do this again. And guess what?! This is what I've been saying Oregon...about Portland
FOR MONTHS!!!!!! FOR MONTHS!!!!
He also tweeted this:
"Why the Hell weren't these people who stormed the United States Capitol arrested? Is the Portland mayor running the Capitol now?"

Joe Scarborough isn't indulging in whataboutism because he isn't trying to run interference on right wing rioters.
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Old 9th January 2021, 11:48 PM   #2344
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White man who drove into Iowa protesters avoids prison after guilty plea:


Itís all good, though. It wasnít really his fault and he said he was sorry:


From that same article:


White privilege for the win!
Dang. That's so ****** up.

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For the life of me, I do not understand why individuals get so hot and bothered by the use of fences used to protect federal buildings from attacks.
Are there a lot of rioters in DC right now? Seems more like you're celebrating the closing of the barn door, despite there not being any horses left inside.
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Are there a lot of rioters in DC right now? Seems more like you're celebrating the closing of the barn door, despite there not being any horses left inside.
You're right, they should have used these fences prior to the riots. It would have helped law enforcement. As it stands now, we still have a risk of more riots on Jan. 20th so I hope they use these fences, along with more personnel and other measures, to prevent further violence and attacks. I see these fences as a relatively uncontroversial crowd control tool but read this entire thread and the use of a fence like this is in front of the Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse in Portland was absolutely infuriating to some. The fence illegally blocked a bike lane. To me, that would be like complaining about the Riot Ribs in Chapman Square: "Oh my goodness! What about Portland's zoning laws? Where are their food handler permits! Dear me oh my!" and so on. Fences are neither magic nor are they evil. They are just fences and a tool of crowd control used universally in every country for a variety of circumstances. Glad to see law enforcement make temporary use of them in our capital in a time of national crisis.
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You're right, they should have used these fences prior to the riots. It would have helped law enforcement. As it stands now, we still have a risk of more riots on Jan. 20th so I hope they use these fences, along with more personnel and other measures, to prevent further violence and attacks. I see these fences as a relatively uncontroversial crowd control tool but read this entire thread and the use of a fence like this is in front of the Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse in Portland was absolutely infuriating to some. The fence illegally blocked a bike lane. To me, that would be like complaining about the Riot Ribs in Chapman Square: "Oh my goodness! What about Portland's zoning laws? Where are their food handler permits! Dear me oh my!" and so on. Fences are neither magic nor are they evil. They are just fences and a tool of crowd control used universally in every country for a variety of circumstances. Glad to see law enforcement make temporary use of them in our capital in a time of national crisis.
It is amusing to see the folks you are arguing with twist themselves into knots trying to draw a distinction between the Portland riots and what happened in DC last week, when realistically the only difference is the cause for which the rioters rioted. If it's not OK when MAGA-heads riot (and it is not), then it's not okay when antifa-tards riot either.

All the idiots who found excuses for rioting when it was done by their "side" have no credibility on this issue.
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It is amusing to see the folks you are arguing with twist themselves into knots trying to draw a distinction between the Portland riots and what happened in DC last week, when realistically the only difference is the cause for which the rioters rioted. If it's not OK when MAGA-heads riot (and it is not), then it's not okay when antifa-tards riot either.

All the idiots who found excuses for rioting when it was done by their "side" have no credibility on this issue.
I'm pretty comfortable with the distinction. Rioting in response to police violence is good, rioting to install a fascist dictator is bad.

It's easy if you try.
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It is amusing to see the folks you are arguing with twist themselves into knots trying to draw a distinction between the Portland riots and what happened in DC last week, when realistically the only difference is the cause for which the rioters rioted. If it's not OK when MAGA-heads riot (and it is not), then it's not okay when antifa-tards riot either.

All the idiots who found excuses for rioting when it was done by their "side" have no credibility on this issue.

What do you mean when you talk about "their side"? I thought the most recent Republican story was that the Capitol rioters were Antifa!?
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What do you mean when you talk about "their side"? I thought the most recent Republican story was that the Capitol rioters were Antifa!?
It does show that they are embarrassed about it at least.
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Old 10th January 2021, 08:55 AM   #2351
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
I'm pretty comfortable with the distinction. Rioting in response to police violence is good, rioting to install a fascist dictator is bad.

It's easy if you try.
Rioting is wrong. Protesting and demonstrating is fine for whatever cause you support.
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Old 10th January 2021, 08:59 AM   #2352
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It does show that they are embarrassed about it at least.
no, it means they got caught and are now looking for someone else to blame.
It is literally what Republicans, the Party of Personal Responsibility, do every single time. That is why the elected Trump, who has never taken responsibility for anything.
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Old 10th January 2021, 09:12 AM   #2353
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Law enforcement are surrounding the capital with the same fence types that they are using in Portland Oregon to protect the Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse. I know this is shocking and horrifying to some of you. I maintain my position that these fences, as imperfect as they are, are a useful tool to law enforcement to protect federal buildings from rioters.
That wasnít a riot at the Capitol. It was a coup perpetrated by right wing terrorists.

Please stop debasing your self with these pathetic false equivalencies.
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Old 10th January 2021, 09:14 AM   #2354
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Originally Posted by portlandatheist View Post
Did you guys catch Joe Scarborough's epic rant on this? I'm curious if you guys would describe it as whataboutism.

He also tweeted this:
"Why the Hell weren't these people who stormed the United States Capitol arrested? Is the Portland mayor running the Capitol now?"

Joe Scarborough isn't indulging in whataboutism because he isn't trying to run interference on right wing rioters.
Is that why youíre doing it?
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Old 10th January 2021, 09:17 AM   #2355
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
It is amusing to see the folks you are arguing with twist themselves into knots trying to draw a distinction between the Portland riots and what happened in DC last week, when realistically the only difference is the cause for which the rioters rioted. If it's not OK when MAGA-heads riot (and it is not), then it's not okay when antifa-tards riot either.

All the idiots who found excuses for rioting when it was done by their "side" have no credibility on this issue.
It wasn’t a riot. It was a violent coup perpetrated by right wing terrorists.

You’re downplaying the criminal actions of terrorists and cop killers.

We can all draw our own conclusions as to why.

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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
It does show that they are embarrassed about it at least.
Republicans are ďembarrassedĒ by their violent coup attempt that involved a cop being bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher.

How comforting.
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
It is amusing to see the folks you are arguing with twist themselves into knots trying to draw a distinction between the Portland riots and what happened in DC last week, when realistically the only difference is the cause for which the rioters rioted. If it's not OK when MAGA-heads riot (and it is not), then it's not okay when antifa-tards riot either.

All the idiots who found excuses for rioting when it was done by their "side" have no credibility on this issue.
Bollocks. While it's interesting to see Trumpettes finally emerging from the holes to try and defend the indefensible, your attempt at equivalency drawing is nonsensical.
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Old 10th January 2021, 09:22 AM   #2358
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Rioting is wrong. Protesting and demonstrating is fine for whatever cause you support.
How about violent coup attempts and murdering cops?

How about cynical attempts to equate violent coup attempts and murdering cops with less egregious offenses to score cheap debate points?

Where do you come down on those issues, Brainster?
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Originally Posted by catsmate View Post
Bollocks. While it's interesting to see Trumpettes finally emerging from the holes to try and defend the indefensible, your attempt at equivalency drawing is nonsensical.
Yes, this thing is bad. But other things are also bad and all bad things are the same.

Look at me, Iím a Republican! Wheeee!!!
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
It is amusing to see the folks you are arguing with twist themselves into knots trying to draw a distinction between the Portland riots and what happened in DC last week, when realistically the only difference is the cause for which the rioters rioted. If it's not OK when MAGA-heads riot (and it is not), then it's not okay when antifa-tards riot either.

All the idiots who found excuses for rioting when it was done by their "side" have no credibility on this issue.
I get what you are saying, but disagreed. A street protest is one thing, and done by both sides. Jan 6th was an attack on an electoral count in progress in our very seat of Democracy. Antifa, BLM, and others did not smash through the White House's windows, kill a Secret Service agent by smashing a fire extinguisher on his head, and put their feet up on the desk in the Oval Office. This was different than street demonstrations.
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