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Old 4th August 2009, 04:26 PM   #1
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Bill Clinton secures release of jailed Americans in North Korea.

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U.S. journalists' families welcome N. Korea pardon

North Korean President Kim Jong Il has pardoned and ordered the release of two U.S. journalists, state-run news agency KCNA said Wednesday.
Guess he was good for something after all. Now if we could find a use for GWB.
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Old 4th August 2009, 04:28 PM   #2
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Boy that was quick.

Good work

Boy that "dear leader" has lost some weight.
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Cowboy Diplomat BC!

If it didn't work the lambasting would have been something. Now I wonder, will his critics give him any credit for the score?
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Old 4th August 2009, 04:31 PM   #4
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Now if we could find a use for GWB.
I can think of a number of responses to that. I'm not sure if any of them are appropriate.

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Originally Posted by Magnifico2.0 View Post
Cowboy Diplomat BC!

Now I wonder, will his critics give him any credit for the score?
I think some will find some way to be cynical. It's the nature of the beast. Bill deserves nothing but praise for this.
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It's amazing the extent to which some men will go to get away from their wives.
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hmm Clinton is about a foot taller than kim. Results look odd.
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Wow. It was less than 3 hours ago that I heard that Bill Clinton was in talks with Jong Il. N. Korea was saying that Clinton delivered a personal message from Pres. Obama, although the White House denied this.

That is great if Jong Il really has ordered the release of the journalists!
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Originally Posted by Marc39 View Post
It's amazing the extent to which some men will go to get away from their wives.
Utterly tasteless post about a president that's on "the other side" of bipolar United States... oh, looks like it's Marc. Just as I thought.

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Now if only that rambunctious little tinpot pygmy could just drop dead.
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Old 4th August 2009, 04:47 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by Lonewulf View Post
Utterly tasteless post about a president that's on "the other side" of bipolar United States... oh, looks like it's Marc. Just as I thought.

Hi, Marc!
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((Now if we could find a use for GWB.)))
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Can you see him way down there from the moral high ground?
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Great news all around. Hard to imagine someone could see a downside to these events.
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Originally Posted by Lonewulf View Post
Utterly tasteless post about a president that's on "the other side" of bipolar United States... oh, looks like it's Marc. Just as I thought.

Hi, Marc!
Testy, testy.
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Originally Posted by NoZed Avenger View Post
Can you see him way down there from the moral high ground?
Did GW free hostages? If so, I would come in and say "good job" in the thread on the subject.

And I take it you aren't familiar with the general run of Marc's posts... like criticizing Obama for "not thanking the server" and similar silliness.

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Testy, testy.
Indeed.
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But he's rewarding North Korea's bad behavior! Will he never stop hurting Americans!

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Great news all around. Hard to imagine someone could see a downside to these events.
My estimation: he gets on the plane with those two nice young ladies, who are ever so grateful for him coming over there to save their collective bacon. They express their thanks and ask "What can I/we do for you?"

On the flight back, his desire to initiate them into the five mile high club on that private jet ... does he succeed, or does he fail?

I suspect he tries. Can't go for the cigar ploy, as most planes these days are no smoking ...

Slick Willy done good. Does he not deservee a modest reward?

(I also suspect that all of the heavy lifting was done behind the scenes by China.)

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Originally Posted by Lonewulf View Post
I can think of a number of responses to that. I'm not sure if any of them are appropriate.

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Originally Posted by Lonewulf View Post
Did GW free hostages? If so, I would come in and say "good job" in the thread on the subject.

And I take it you aren't familiar with the general run of Marc's posts... like criticizing Obama for "not thanking the server" and similar silliness.
My post is in no way a defense of Marc39s post.

I just thought for a second I had seen a "tasteless post about a president that's on "the other side" of bipolar United States..."
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Originally Posted by NoZed Avenger View Post
My post is in no way a defense of Marc39s post.

I just thought for a second I had seen a "tasteless post about a president that's on "the other side" of bipolar United States..."
I mock Bush for being Bush. I'd also mock Nixon. But not exactly in a thread about an astounding (or at least commendable) accomplishment of theirs.

Still, if you wish, I can take back my statement if it would make you happy.
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Props to Clinton.

I hope we didn't have to give up much more than just his visit to get them released.
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Great news all around. Hard to imagine someone could see a downside to these events.
The downside is that the GOP has one less excuse to use for declaring war.

Diplomacy really does work, and this is a testament to this fact.
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Originally Posted by Lonewulf View Post
I mock Bush for being Bush. I'd also mock Nixon. But not exactly in a thread about an astounding (or at least commendable) accomplishment of theirs.

Still, if you wish, I can take back my statement if it would make you happy.
Astounding accomplishment? How naive a view. It was "accomplished" because it represented a fantastic PR opportunity for Kim Jung Il, the first time a US president has visited N. Korea in, what, 20 years? He basks in the glow of all the attention merely in exchange for a couple of detainees. The deal was made before Clinton even made the trip.
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Astounding accomplishment? How naive a view. It was "accomplished" because it represented a fantastic PR opportunity for Kim Jung Il, the first time a US president has visited N. Korea in, what, 20 years? He basks in the glow of all the attention merely in exchange for a couple of detainees. The deal was made before Clinton even made the trip.
So your claim is that Clinton did absolutely nothing here.
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Astounding accomplishment? How naive a view. It was "accomplished" because it represented a fantastic PR opportunity for Kim Jung Il, the first time a US president has visited N. Korea in, what, 20 years? He basks in the glow of all the attention merely in exchange for a couple of detainees. The deal was made before Clinton even made the trip.
While the US continies to refer to people as president after they leave office as far as most of the planet is concerned Bill Clinton is not US President. If Kim wants to bask in the glow of Clinton's presense that it up to him but if mearly basking in the glow of people is enough to get concessions then perhaps we should send Paul McCartney next time.
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So your claim is that Clinton did absolutely nothing here.
He obvioiusly did more than nothing and I commend Clinton, whom I like. However, there was a quid pro quo that, while I'm pleased resulted in the release of those two women, nevertheless, gave N. Korea a lot of positive publicity. No wonder Kim Jong Il was seen smiling and Clinton looked so glum.
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He obvioiusly did more than nothing and I commend Clinton, whom I like.
You have an odd way of showing it.

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However, there was a quid pro quo that, while I'm pleased resulted in the release of those two women, nevertheless, gave N. Korea a lot of positive publicity. No wonder Kim Jong Il was seen smiling and Clinton looked so glum.
Like geni says, if only a little bit of popularity can free hostages...
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Originally Posted by Lonewulf View Post
You have an odd way of showing it.
So, I'm the first to crack a joke about Bill and Hill's marriage? She joked about it when running for president. Ever watch Letterman?
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So, I'm the first to crack a joke about Bill and Hill's marriage? She joked about it when running for president. Ever watch Letterman?
Hey, if you find it the appropriate time and place for it, and that it was tactfully enough done, that's up to you.

And some of us don't find Letterman to be all that great of a comedian.
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Originally Posted by Marc39 View Post
He obvioiusly did more than nothing and I commend Clinton, whom I like. However, there was a quid pro quo that, while I'm pleased resulted in the release of those two women, nevertheless, gave N. Korea a lot of positive publicity. No wonder Kim Jong Il was seen smiling and Clinton looked so glum.
It didn't though. On paper you have what NK fawning over an ex US President. Too eager to please.

The photos don't look good for NK. You have the tall professional looking stateman and well Kim still doesn't look like he's entirely recovered.

Heh I think someone may finaly have worked out what to do with Bill. Combiens high diplomatic impact (former president and married to the secretary of state) whith a large amount of plausible deniability.
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It didn't though. On paper you have what NK fawning over an ex US President. Too eager to please.

The photos don't look good for NK. You have the tall professional looking stateman and well Kim still doesn't look like he's entirely recovered.

Heh I think someone may finaly have worked out what to do with Bill. Combiens high diplomatic impact (former president and married to the secretary of state) whith a large amount of plausible deniability.
In Kim's fevered imagination, he looked good next to Clinton. Plus, it was a welcome break for him from watching porn.
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I'm glad you have such skill with psychology and international mind reading, Marc39.
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I mock Bush for being Bush. I'd also mock Nixon. But not exactly in a thread about an astounding (or at least commendable) accomplishment of theirs.

Still, if you wish, I can take back my statement if it would make you happy.

I just thought the timing was funny; no offense intended and I didn't take any.
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In Kim's fevered imagination, he looked good next to Clinton. Plus, it was a welcome break for him from watching porn.
What kim thought of the visit is a secondary issue. And film wise Kim mostly likes old westerns.
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I just thought the timing was funny; no offense intended and I didn't take any.
Yeah, it was, wasn't it?
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What kim thought of the visit is a secondary issue.
Not really, since, in the bigger picture, Kim has proven to the world that kidnapping and extortion are effective diplomatic ploys against the US.

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So, his world's largest collecton of porn is a dirty rumor?
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Now I wonder, will his critics give him any credit for the score?
Clinton scored again?
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Clinton scored again?
Who is she?
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Who is she?
Well, there were two.
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Well, there were two.
And, they are pretty, too. Something tells me if Helen Thomas were detained in North Korea, instead, Bill would be like, "Helen who?"
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In all honesty, most people expected Korea to release them. It was not a foregone conclusion, but as soon as Clinton got invited over, the writing was on the wall. He showed up for a photo-op. Not to minimize his role. Kim Jong Il needed somebody of stature to be photographed with, one who had not called him part of the "Axis of Evil". I'm glad Bill was able to do it, but it is my impression that most of the heavy lifting was done behind the scenes.

Still, I don't mean to minimize the effort. It was a great outcome and all it cost was a little pride.
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