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Old 18th December 2011, 10:36 PM   #41
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CNN Tweeted that the official statement was that.... "He died of a heart attack brought on by mental and physical fatigue."

Yes, must be tiring looking at other people exercising and standing around at openings of factories that never work and hotels that never get a visitor.
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Old 18th December 2011, 10:56 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by Ryokan View Post
I'm crossing my fingers and hoping the new Kim will be a good man and want to change things for the better for his nation.
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Old 18th December 2011, 11:05 PM   #43
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Ding, dong the bitch is dead!
Which old bitch?
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Old 18th December 2011, 11:13 PM   #44
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Let's hope Mugabe is next .....
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Old 18th December 2011, 11:25 PM   #45
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How many threads can we have on this (happy) topic?
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Old 18th December 2011, 11:27 PM   #46
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Conspiracy! He's not dead, he just moved in with Elvis and Bigfoot.
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Old 18th December 2011, 11:29 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by !Kaggen View Post
Let's hope Mugabe is next .....
Or Hugo Chavez, Ahmedinijad+Khameni, Bashar Assad, Ismail Haniyeh, Hassan Nazrallah...

There's a world full of ___holes out there that just can't die soon enough.
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Old 18th December 2011, 11:30 PM   #48
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I wonder how long this will be "Breaking News".
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Old 18th December 2011, 11:30 PM   #49
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Depends whether you can get different font colors in thread titles.
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Old 18th December 2011, 11:33 PM   #50
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Good riddance, I hope he fries.

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Here is an interesting CNN article on that:

Will the North Koreans Rise Up?
As long as the North Korean armed forces has anything to say, I seriously doubt it.
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Old 19th December 2011, 12:28 AM   #51
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Who else died or is gonna die? These things happen in threes.
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Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth View Post
#$@% YEAH, BABY!!!

Burn in hell you evil @#$%&!
Yeah, but hasn't the word been that the son, the designated successor, is/will be worse?


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Who else died or is gonna die? These things happen in threes.
Ugh....

Joking I hope.
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Yeah, but hasn't the word been that the son, the designated successor, is/will be worse?
that's a discussion for tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth View Post
that's a discussion for tomorrow.

Tonight, we dance!
OK, but in North Korea it's already tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by OnlyTellsTruths View Post
Ugh....

Joking I hope.
Ha, just saw this second from the top on Yahoo! "Veteran TV and film actor Dan Frazer dies at age 90"

I bet you feel like an idiot.
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Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth View Post
#$@% YEAH, BABY!!!

Burn in hell you evil @#$%&!
Makes no difference.
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This could be very worrying as I presume there is a now a power-vacuum. I know the rumours of his ill health have been circulating for some time so I'm sure there have been those that have been "leading in his name" for some time but they often aren't the ones that come out top after their figurehead dies.
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I have this terrible feeling that his ghost will live on and on.
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Old 19th December 2011, 01:06 AM   #59
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This could be very worrying as I presume there is a now a power-vacuum. I know the rumours of his ill health have been circulating for some time so I'm sure there have been those that have been "leading in his name" for some time but they often aren't the ones that come out top after their figurehead dies.
Exactly. I don't know why people are celebrating. Look what happened the last time the North wanted to solidify their leadership (The shelling of Yeonpyeong Island).
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Exactly. I don't know why people are celebrating. Look what happened the last time the North wanted to solidify their leadership (The shelling of Yeonpyeong Island).
People are celebrating because a very evil man died, and they hope that change for the better will ensue. That may be a vain hope, but that's still the hope.

It's almost certainly going to get worse in the short term, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility of long-term improvements because of this. For example, if the regime starts to implode, that's probably going to spell trouble for a while, but depending on HOW it implodes, there might be light at the end of the tunnel. This isn't a given, of course, but let's hope.
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Old 19th December 2011, 01:58 AM   #61
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I wish Christopher Hitchens could have lived just a few more days. Based on some of the things he had to say about the "Dear Leader," I think he would have enjoyed outliving him.
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This could be very worrying as I presume there is a now a power-vacuum. I know the rumours of his ill health have been circulating for some time so I'm sure there have been those that have been "leading in his name" for some time but they often aren't the ones that come out top after their figurehead dies.
Not necessarily.

The Today programme on Radio 4 was just discussing this. NK is governed by a military committee, not just by the Jong family, and Kim Jong Il's brother-in-law (IIRC) is currently the most important member on it. The new Kim won't suddenly be able to change course.
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Old 19th December 2011, 02:33 AM   #63
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Ding dong, etc.

This can go either way for North Korea. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping the new Kim will be a good man and want to change things for the better for his nation.

What's the chances that three generations in a row will give the country a total narcissistic sociopath as demi-god?
Onion time...
"Kim Jong-Un Privately Doubting He's Crazy Enough To Run North Korea"
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Even if the new Kim wants to change the country, I doubt that he can.
There is a whole clique running the place, and i doubt they want any change that could threaten their position.

I'm reminded of that one Roman emperor who wanted to make some much needed changes and was killed by the praetorian guard on his first day at work.

And who will do all the quality control in NK?
I predict that the quality of turnips will take a nosedive in the coming year.
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Ding dong, etc.

This can go either way for North Korea. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping the new Kim will be a good man and want to change things for the better for his nation.

What's the chances that three generations in a row will give the country a total narcissistic sociopath as demi-god?
From what I've read, due to the new guy's inexperience and short preparation for the job (Kim Jong-il was groomed for 30 years), the real power might not reside with him, and he might become more of a figurehead than a ruler with an iron-grip over the country.

Whatever happens, the best one can hope for is that the new ruler(s) open up the country.
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He's ronery no more.
What a terrible way to end his korea.
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People are celebrating because a very evil man died
People elsewhere probably, but what about people in North Korea ? From a couple of documentaries I've watched I tend to believe that they have suffered so much brainwashing that by now most of them are probably crying as if they've lost a family member.
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What if it's all been a mistranslation and it's just that Kim Jong dead ill ?
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I wonder what posthumous position Kim Jong Il will get. Eternal Vice President?
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Well, hard to be really sorry.

Since it can hardly go worse for NK, let us entertain the feeble hope that it will go better. Although I doubt the Kims have been the real leaders for quite some time. When a head of state closely resembles a puppet, look for the puppeteers.

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Well, hard to be really sorry.

Since it can hardly go worse for NK, let us entertain the feeble hope that it will go better. Although I doubt the Kims have been the real leaders for quite some time. When a head of state closely resembles a puppet, look for the puppeteers.

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It's also a possibility thaty it will get neither better or worse. IOW, status quo.
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It's also a possibility thaty it will get neither better or worse. IOW, status quo.
Quite. Most likely, in fact, except that it must be clear to whoever leads NK that the present situation cannot go on. The 'dear leader' could not initiate an opening because his image is too tainted in the surrounding world, but those anonymously pulling strings might was to start a movement towards a less isolated position. After all, how much fun is it, in the long run, to live in a poverty-stricken, completely isolated country, even if you are the top elite?

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I wish Christopher Hitchens could have lived just a few more days. Based on some of the things he had to say about the "Dear Leader," I think he would have enjoyed outliving him.
One thing Hitchens used to say was that North Korea's leader was presented to the people as a religious figure, and that many of the people bought into it. The next few days may show us whether Hitchens pegged it accurately.
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One thing Hitchens used to say was that North Korea's leader was presented to the people as a religious figure, and that many of the people bought into it. The next few days may show us whether Hitchens pegged it accurately.
I thought that was quite common knowledge - I mean the official story of his birth is a double rainbow and I think a shooting star heralding his arrival in the world.
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