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As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. - Henry Louis Mencken - Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920 |
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Just saw this...the GND includes something about that:
https://capitalandmain.com/green-new...te-change-0208
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you have a car with a 300+ mile range and a 20 mile commute, only going for long drives twice a month. Putting aside 250 miles of energy storage when you don't need it, and keeping the last 50 miles for your comfort zone, isn't beyond reasonable. It is a possible scenario.
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As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. - Henry Louis Mencken - Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920 |
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The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts ~ Bertrand Russell I am proud to say that Henry Kissinger is not my friend. |
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Continually pushing the boundaries of mediocrity. Everything is possible, but not everything is probable. For if a man pretend to me that God hath spoken to him supernaturally, and immediately, and I make doubt of it, I cannot easily perceive what argument he can produce to oblige me to believe it. Hobbes |
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Basically, this:
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The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts ~ Bertrand Russell I am proud to say that Henry Kissinger is not my friend. |
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theres newer extraction methods than that
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Continually pushing the boundaries of mediocrity. Everything is possible, but not everything is probable. For if a man pretend to me that God hath spoken to him supernaturally, and immediately, and I make doubt of it, I cannot easily perceive what argument he can produce to oblige me to believe it. Hobbes |
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I just thought about ethanol
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She'll need lots of ethanol for that to happen.
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This is increasingly my concern with American politics. You have one side proposing solutions to a problem that I may not personally like, or may be tragically flaw is some way. Let's name them the Democrats, just as an example.
You have another side denying the problem exists and doing nothing about. Let's call them the Republicans. If you accept that the problem is real, you really don't have any options. The options are faulty solution, or denialism. |
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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I'd be more willing to engage with politicians opposed to the idea if those politicians weren't mostly all climate change deniers. The price of admittance to the debate is not being a conspiracy monger.
The party of "it sure is cold today, here's a snowball, so much for climate change" has yet to clear that bar. |
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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My recollection of the review videos I've seen is that maybe, with optimal conditions you can use solar all day, and then go several hours on battery. In the morning and evening you are cutting your demand from the grid a bit, but still having to draw power from somewhere else. One video a watched is this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s6kN9Ezws0 which has data calculations from around the 8 min mark.
The biggest difficulty of these systems is that they tend to increase the difference between the min and max demand on the grid. On a cloudy day, you'd need to replace all the energy you would have generated from solar from another source. Presumably the same happens with wind generation on days when the wind is low. How big are these batteries going to be? |
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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Because of course you won't, because your demands for evidence are never actually about standards or the truth.
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Consider the Paris accord. Most countries won't hit their targets, but even if they did, that wouldn't stop global warming, only slow it down a little. Climate change is going to happen. So how do you adapt to climate change? You change what you do. And that... requires money. A struggling economy has a harder time adapting than a vibrant economy. |
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That's a blatant lie. You know very well that I take lefties to task just as often as righties. In THIS thread, however, I'm focused on YOUR claim.
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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Based on what? Show me your numbers.
![]() The point is that I'm not on the left, either. Stop trying to make this request for evidence of YOUR claim about where I sit on your ridiculous conception of the political spectrum.
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You made the positive claim that they were the same. Show me yours.
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I have a long track record of disagreeing with the left of a great number of issues, mostly social. Stop taking the piss and trying to distract from the discussion.
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Sham deal, sham supporters
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Sure. But that doesn't suffice to demonstrate your claim.
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It does unless you think I was actually saying that I stand precisely in the middle.
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I don't buy your excuse. You grab ANY opportunity to avoid supporting your declarations and then blame others for that failing. I don't believe you. Either support your claim right now or consider it retracted. |
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I am suggesting you keep the existing power grid in each country and the grid connections between each country.. First you replace all the say 1200MW coal-fired power plants with similar sized solar, wind or battery plants. So the answer is 1200MW battery plants.
At that stage you have all the CFPP replaced and well on your way to getting transpoertation away from oil by using electric vehicles. The next stage is to reduce (hopefully to zero) the use of gas in electric power generation. As well as wind/solar/battery power you have nuclear, hydro and geothermal power plants in the power production mix.. I don't know whether waste to energy (WTE) power plants with flue gas cleaning would also be part of the solution. |
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Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what your words meant, especially when you objected to me saying that you didn't stand precisely in the middle.
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