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She still "Played the race card". To get an advantage.
But the Sombrero quip makes sense too. Bustamente didn't say which Indian tribe those centi-Morgans came from. Yet he knows they ARE Indian. Aztec or even Mayan? There has been a bit of recent research looking into tribal genes, to the point that tribal identification is possible. And that might be a bit of "Ilite libralness in the scholastic system". |
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She mentioned native american ancestry on some forms decades ago and made a few comments about it when discussing racial issues. She did not use it to gain an advantage during the elections or for any political benefit that I am aware of.
The fault that this is an issue is all Trump's doing. |
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I hope Warren now lets this (non)issue rest.
We can trust the US media to come back to this (non)issue again and again and again during the primaries and the general election (assuming Warren runs, which I think is a certainty). She should then just refer to the DNA study and move on to real issues. |
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"As a kid, I never asked my mom about documentation when she talked about our Native American heritage," Warren said in a 2012 campaign ad. "What kid would? But I knew my father’s family didn’t like that she was part Cherokee and part Delaware. So my parents had to elope."
Heredity tests come back and show she might have an insignificant amount of native Peruvian. Our Conclusion: Eight Fauxcahontas |
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It gets better:
Trump says 'who cares' after Warren takes DNA test, denies $1 million offer
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i was also using a generation time from between 25-30 years. However, there is a lot of variance in that (after all, women can become mothers before they have reached the age of 20.)
I do not know the ages when Warren's ancestors gave birth, but if people started having children earlier back then it would push the time frame back to the 1800s. |
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And no surprise that he would hide behind his own loudly proclaimed lies to welsh on a debt. She has proven the claims she really has made to be true. Trump lied about the claims she made, and uses those lies as an excuse to weasel out. And he probably can't afford to pay it anyway. He'd have to find someone else's money to do that. |
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6-10 generations make those much more unlikely. The interpretation was that it was Cherokee blood because her family was in Oklahoma and so we're the Cherokee. But at minimum 6 generations, we start having problems of Cherokee not being in Oklahoma and who know where her family was back then.
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Cherokee from south of the border? "As a kid, I never asked my mom for documentation when she talked about our Native American heritage. What kid would? But I knew my father's family didn't like that she was part Cherokee and part Delaware, so my parents had to elope." -- Elizabeth Warren |
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Just as a bit of a side note, one of those tribes was something like a wholly-owned subsidiary of the other one for many years, see this page for some of the relevant history. Delaware are independent of the Cherokee for now, the result of years of negotiations between the two tribes. I’ve been following this legal wrangling for years, since my wife and kids are members of the Delaware Tribe, which does not have a minimum blood quantum requirement.
Guessing you aren't from Oklahoma. The only way to become a member of some tribes round these parts is to show the tribal council you can trace your ancestry back many generations ago. For example:
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Here's the actual report: https://mk0elizabethwarh5ore.kinstac...eport_2018.pdf
Second to last page, caption for Figure 2:
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The report supports her family's lore. Her results do not show Peruvian ancestry, that's another lie. The Cherokee were having regular contact with Euro-Americans by the early 18th century, and with sporadic contact for a century before that. The timing still works. |
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For a demagogue like Trump, whether or not Warren has any native blood, there always was and still is the angle of white resentment of "special rights" for minorities. You can see from the pathetic apologia of the trumpers here that they still accept the lie that Warren took advantage of her heritage claim.
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It appears that none of the people who were involved in hiring her actually used that as a factor in hiring her. So again, no real advantage to her.
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If the intermarriage from the family story occurred in Oklahoma, it can still work - the marriage in question might have been with someone who was themselves mixed race. Many of the Cherokee were themselves of mixed race generations before the expulsion to Oklahoma.
Remember, we are looking at the marriage of Warren's parents, nearly a century ago. The "one drop" rule was still a thing, in culture at least. So Warren's mother's family was suspected of being part native American. that could easily mean that they just knew that Warren's mother's grandmother married a Cherokee who might have had predominantly white ancestry to begin with (I know that legally, the "one drop rule" didn't apply to Native American ancestry. But culturally, it probably still did in many circles.) I gotta add, one of the whitest white people I've ever known (fair skin, blue eyes, white-blonde hair) had an ancestor on the Dawes role and was an active member of the Cherokee tribe. You can't miss those strong twangy Okie accents. You don't need to look even remotely Native American to actually be Native American, in the sense of having shared ancestry and culture. |
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I've been seeing responses saying things like, "Oh, but she's not actually part of the tribe" and stuff like that.
And the answer is, of course not. And she never claimed to be. But yeah, knock down that straw man. She's going after Trump to give the million dollars. His response is .... weird. It's one thing to say, "I wasn't serious" when your bluff gets called. Or "that's not good enough." But the whole, "I didn't say that" is just mental. I mean, who are the supporters stupid enough to buy that? |
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