[Continuation] Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks... - Page 4

Wildy · 18th November 2018, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by jimbob

Good interview with Melvyn Bragg

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...99-broadcaster

If only we could use his In Our Time Machine to go back and stop this madness.

Tolls · 19th November 2018, 02:57 AM

Originally Posted by The Moog

Make me Brexit minister, I could do just as good a job.

Well, I'm down as Brexit Minister today, planning on resigning tomorrow morning, you could take over after that? Say, the 8am-8pm slot?

Anyone here fancy the night shift after that?

Klimax · 19th November 2018, 04:53 AM

Originally Posted by Tolls

Well, I'm down as Brexit Minister today, planning on resigning tomorrow morning, you could take over after that? Say, the 8am-8pm slot?

Anyone here fancy the night shift after that?

Maybe Andrej Babiš?

Amazer · 19th November 2018, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by Tolls

Well, I'm down as Brexit Minister today, planning on resigning tomorrow morning, you could take over after that? Say, the 8am-8pm slot?

Anyone here fancy the night shift after that?

Can I do this while working from home?

jimbob · 19th November 2018, 05:35 AM

It's OK, there's a potential saviour

https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/19/david...-says-8154169/

Alternatively, this is actually too stupid even for current British politics.

fagin · 19th November 2018, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by Amazer

Can I do this while working from home?

You can type your resignation letter anywhere.

ponderingturtle · 19th November 2018, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Vixen

I get that when one leaves the Golf Club, you should no longer expect to enjoy its benefits.

However, in the unique case of the UK, there is a Good Friday Agreement in place in respect of Northern Ireland and its borders.

Maybe it would have been a good idea to actually try to have some idea how they wanted this to work before taking back our borders(but NOT THAT ONE!!!!).

Greebo · 19th November 2018, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by jimbob

It's OK, there's a potential saviour

https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/19/david...-says-8154169/

Alternatively, this is actually too stupid even for current British politics.

Don't think even Sir Humphrey could plan that far ahead to pull that one off!

The CEO of my company in the UK issued a statement on Friday, the essence of which was there were two choices:-

Push for another referendum (hoping for a remain outcome)
Accept what we've drafted and work with it

His reluctant decision (his words) was for option 2

ponderingturtle · 19th November 2018, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Vixen

Can't. The EU are demanding an exit fee, and even then the UK will be bound to its edicts indefinitely.

So pull a Trump and just refuse to pay your debts. Simple really default on all obligations and live with a closed border. And stop whining about your decision to close the Irish border.

ponderingturtle · 19th November 2018, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by Amazer

Then it's high time that the UK tempers it's expectations.

Reality and logic will play not role in the expectations of the UK!

Greebo · 19th November 2018, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

So pull a Trump and just refuse to pay your debts. Simple really default on all obligations and live with a closed border. And stop whining about your decision to close the Irish border.

I would expect that this would affect the subsequent trade negotiations

ponderingturtle · 19th November 2018, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Greebo

I would expect that this would affect the subsequent trade negotiations

Well of course, but trade and international travel are small prices to pay for retaking your boarders! Where is the old Blitz spirit? Bring back rationing and all that like in the good old days!

Wudang · 19th November 2018, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

Well of course, but trade and international travel are small prices to pay for retaking your boarders! Where is the old Blitz spirit? Bring back rationing and all that like in the good old days!

The people invoking the blitz spirit tend to ignore how reliant the UK was on the Atlantic convoys.

Captain_Swoop · 19th November 2018, 02:39 PM

Rees Mogg and his ERG have been bleating about their plan for Brexit.
Yes, lets follow a plan suggested by the people who couldn’t work a plan to get 48 letters together.

jimbob · 19th November 2018, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Rees Mogg and his ERG have been bleating about their plan for Brexit.
Yes, lets follow a plan suggested by the people who couldn’t work a plan to get 48 letters together.

When their side has been "responsible" for "negotiating" Brexit for the last two years.

Raab presumably went to the Cabinet meeting knowing what he'd agreed, stood by May, then after accepting the deal, resigned.

Even bigger bunch of clowns than May or Corbyn.

Captain_Swoop · 20th November 2018, 03:02 AM

The DUP has warned Theresa May to "keep her side of the bargain" on Brexit after the party's 10 MPs withheld their support in votes on Budget measures.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46269757

Tolls · 20th November 2018, 03:20 AM

I'm still very confused as to exactly what end result the DUP want from Bresit.
They seem to want to leave the EU, but not have a border with the EU, but not be in any customs union (possibly?).
Which is, surely, not achievable?

Is there a simple list of (non-contradictory) demands from them?

Dave Rogers · 20th November 2018, 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by Tolls

Is there a simple list of (non-contradictory) demands from ~~them~~ anyone?

FTFY.

Dave

catsmate · 20th November 2018, 03:35 AM

Originally Posted by The Moog

Make me Brexit minister, I could do just as good a job.

With Arlene Foster as Evil Edna...

catsmate · 20th November 2018, 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by Strawberry

Eh?

I presume it refers to the opt-outs, the continual grumbling and complaining and the demands for special treatment.

catsmate · 20th November 2018, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

So pull a Trump and just refuse to pay your debts. Simple really default on all obligations and live with a closed border. And stop whining about your decision to close the Irish border.

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

Well of course, but trade and international travel are small prices to pay for retaking your boarders! Where is the old Blitz spirit? Bring back rationing and all that like in the good old days!

It really is time for a remake of 1990, say 2030.

Originally Posted by Tolls

I'm still very confused as to exactly what end result the DUP want from Bresit.
They seem to want to leave the EU, but not have a border with the EU, but not be in any customs union (possibly?).
Which is, surely, not achievable?

Is there a simple list of (non-contradictory) demands from them?

Taigs out.

Darat · 20th November 2018, 04:12 AM

Well I've now read the withdrawal agreement/proposal and all I can say is "good luck" and "thanks for all the fishes".

Darat · 20th November 2018, 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

I presume it refers to the opt-outs, the continual grumbling and complaining and the demands for special treatment.

To be fair that's true of pretty much all the countries in the EU, they all look out for their own interests first, as they should.

Ian Osborne · 20th November 2018, 04:57 AM

Originally Posted by jimbob

It's OK, there's a potential saviour

https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/19/david...-says-8154169/

Alternatively, this is actually too stupid even for current British politics.

Naah, let's bring back Thatcher instead.

Darat · 20th November 2018, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by Ian Osborne

Naah, let's bring back Thatcher instead.

If there was someone who knew how to sell "signing away our sovereignty" to the public as a positive it was Thatcher.

P.J. Denyer · 20th November 2018, 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by Tolls

I'm still very confused as to exactly what end result the DUP want from Bresit.
They seem to want to leave the EU, but not have a border with the EU, but not be in any customs union (possibly?).
Which is, surely, not achievable?

Is there a simple list of (non-contradictory) demands from them?

What you have to understand about the DUP is that they want Northern Irland to be treated the same as the rest of the UK. Just the same. Exactly the same.

Information Analyst · 20th November 2018, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by Vixen

Why? If the UK has to follow its laws and regulations, of course it must expect to have a say in the passing and formulating of legislation.

Why? Norway and Switzerland don't.

Archie Gemmill Goal · 20th November 2018, 07:35 AM

In a wonderful couldn't-make-it-up moment Spain have now said they will veto the deal anyway unless the situation on Gibraltar is clarified.

Darat · 20th November 2018, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

What you have to understand about the DUP is that they want Northern Irland to be treated the same as the rest of the UK. Just the same. Exactly the same.

In matters of social issues NI is an embarrassment for the UK.

Earthborn · 20th November 2018, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Rees Mogg and his ERG have been bleating about their plan for Brexit.

All you need to know about the ERG is the fact that here in the Netherlands (otherwise known as "the place your food comes from") the word "erg" means "terrible".

Information Analyst · 20th November 2018, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

Shades of '1990', remember Edward Woodward?

Now available on DVD! It's actually quite dreary, as 1970s BBC dystopian drama goes (Survivors is much better!), but bits of it do seem worryingly prophetic, even if the writer thought the "bad" stuff would come about for an entirely different reason.

Darat · 20th November 2018, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by Earthborn

All you need to know about the ERG is the fact that here in the Netherlands (otherwise known as "the place your food comes from") the word "erg" means "terrible".

Could you do me a favour? Buy some extra refrigerators and freezers to store my food in as I do believe there might be some slight delay in getting it to me after the 29th March. Thanks.

Signed: The people who didn't want to leave and those that are now thinking "oh my god what have we done?!!!" of the UK.

zooterkin · 20th November 2018, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal

In a wonderful couldn't-make-it-up moment Spain have now said they will veto the deal anyway unless the situation on Gibraltar is clarified.

That's been on the cards for some time, hasn't it?

Information Analyst · 20th November 2018, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Wudang

The people invoking the blitz spirit tend to ignore how reliant the UK was on the Atlantic convoys.

There's a whole heap of stuff such people are ignorant of.

Information Analyst · 20th November 2018, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Could you do me a favour? Buy some extra refrigerators and freezers to store my food in as I do believe there might be some slight delay in getting it to me after the 29th March. Thanks.

Signed: The people who didn't want to leave and those that are now thinking "oh my god what have we done?!!!" of the UK.

And hope for no power cuts....

Information Analyst · 20th November 2018, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

That's been on the cards for some time, hasn't it?

Shameful opportunism - totally unpredictable!

Amazer · 20th November 2018, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by Earthborn

All you need to know about the ERG is the fact that here in the Netherlands (otherwise known as "the place your food comes from") the word "erg" means "terrible".

and 'very'... I'll admit that just doesn't have quite the same ring to it though.

Delphic Oracle · 20th November 2018, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by fagin

You can type your resignation letter anywhere.

Here in the U.S. you can even pull over to the side of the road and type it out on your mobile device after a snow job destroys your reputation and none of your colleagues have an ounce of spine between them.

Craig B · 20th November 2018, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

In matters of social issues NI is an embarrassment for the UK.

Thirty years of carnage, from 1968 to 1998, was somewhat embarrassing too.

Garrison · 20th November 2018, 03:14 PM

Clear progress as May goes an entire day with the same cabinet...

18th November 2018, 07:05 PM	#121
Wildy Adelaidean Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 10,995	Originally Posted by jimbob Good interview with Melvyn Bragg https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...99-broadcaster If only we could use his In Our Time Machine to go back and stop this madness.
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19th November 2018, 02:57 AM	#122
Tolls Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 4,545	Originally Posted by The Moog Make me Brexit minister, I could do just as good a job. Well, I'm down as Brexit Minister today, planning on resigning tomorrow morning, you could take over after that? Say, the 8am-8pm slot? Anyone here fancy the night shift after that?
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19th November 2018, 04:53 AM	#123
Klimax NWO Cyborg 5960x (subversion VPUNPCKHQDQ) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Starship Wanderer - DS9 Posts: 12,758	Originally Posted by Tolls Well, I'm down as Brexit Minister today, planning on resigning tomorrow morning, you could take over after that? Say, the 8am-8pm slot? Anyone here fancy the night shift after that? Maybe Andrej Babiš?
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19th November 2018, 05:13 AM	#124
Amazer Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,659	Originally Posted by Tolls Well, I'm down as Brexit Minister today, planning on resigning tomorrow morning, you could take over after that? Say, the 8am-8pm slot? Anyone here fancy the night shift after that? Can I do this while working from home?
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19th November 2018, 05:35 AM	#125
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 20,538	It's OK, there's a potential saviour https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/19/david...-says-8154169/ Alternatively, this is actually too stupid even for current British politics.
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19th November 2018, 05:52 AM	#126
fagin Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: As far away from casebro as possible. Posts: 7,070	Originally Posted by Amazer Can I do this while working from home? You can type your resignation letter anywhere.
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19th November 2018, 07:41 AM	#127
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 46,063	Originally Posted by Vixen I get that when one leaves the Golf Club, you should no longer expect to enjoy its benefits. However, in the unique case of the UK, there is a Good Friday Agreement in place in respect of Northern Ireland and its borders. Maybe it would have been a good idea to actually try to have some idea how they wanted this to work before taking back our borders(but NOT THAT ONE!!!!).
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19th November 2018, 07:46 AM	#128
Greebo Thinker Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Wiltshire, UK Posts: 184	Originally Posted by jimbob It's OK, there's a potential saviour https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/19/david...-says-8154169/ Alternatively, this is actually too stupid even for current British politics. Don't think even Sir Humphrey could plan that far ahead to pull that one off! The CEO of my company in the UK issued a statement on Friday, the essence of which was there were two choices:- Push for another referendum (hoping for a remain outcome) Accept what we've drafted and work with it His reluctant decision (his words) was for option 2

19th November 2018, 07:48 AM	#129
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 46,063	Originally Posted by Vixen Can't. The EU are demanding an exit fee, and even then the UK will be bound to its edicts indefinitely. So pull a Trump and just refuse to pay your debts. Simple really default on all obligations and live with a closed border. And stop whining about your decision to close the Irish border.
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19th November 2018, 07:51 AM	#130
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 46,063	Originally Posted by Amazer Then it's high time that the UK tempers it's expectations. Reality and logic will play not role in the expectations of the UK!
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19th November 2018, 07:53 AM	#131
Greebo Thinker Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Wiltshire, UK Posts: 184	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle So pull a Trump and just refuse to pay your debts. Simple really default on all obligations and live with a closed border. And stop whining about your decision to close the Irish border. I would expect that this would affect the subsequent trade negotiations

19th November 2018, 07:59 AM	#132
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 46,063	Originally Posted by Greebo I would expect that this would affect the subsequent trade negotiations Well of course, but trade and international travel are small prices to pay for retaking your boarders! Where is the old Blitz spirit? Bring back rationing and all that like in the good old days!
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19th November 2018, 08:08 AM	#133
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 11,600	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle Well of course, but trade and international travel are small prices to pay for retaking your boarders! Where is the old Blitz spirit? Bring back rationing and all that like in the good old days! The people invoking the blitz spirit tend to ignore how reliant the UK was on the Atlantic convoys.

19th November 2018, 02:39 PM	#134
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 20,321	Rees Mogg and his ERG have been bleating about their plan for Brexit. Yes, lets follow a plan suggested by the people who couldn’t work a plan to get 48 letters together.

19th November 2018, 03:09 PM	#135
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 20,538	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Rees Mogg and his ERG have been bleating about their plan for Brexit. Yes, lets follow a plan suggested by the people who couldn’t work a plan to get 48 letters together. When their side has been "responsible" for "negotiating" Brexit for the last two years. Raab presumably went to the Cabinet meeting knowing what he'd agreed, stood by May, then after accepting the deal, resigned. Even bigger bunch of clowns than May or Corbyn.
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20th November 2018, 03:02 AM	#136
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 20,321	The DUP has warned Theresa May to "keep her side of the bargain" on Brexit after the party's 10 MPs withheld their support in votes on Budget measures. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46269757

20th November 2018, 03:20 AM	#137
Tolls Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 4,545	I'm still very confused as to exactly what end result the DUP want from Bresit. They seem to want to leave the EU, but not have a border with the EU, but not be in any customs union (possibly?). Which is, surely, not achievable? Is there a simple list of (non-contradictory) demands from them?
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20th November 2018, 03:22 AM	#138
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 28,960	Originally Posted by Tolls Is there a simple list of (non-contradictory) demands from ~~them~~ anyone? FTFY. Dave
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20th November 2018, 03:35 AM	#139
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 20,168	Originally Posted by The Moog Make me Brexit minister, I could do just as good a job. With Arlene Foster as Evil Edna...
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20th November 2018, 03:36 AM	#140
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 20,168	Originally Posted by Strawberry Eh? I presume it refers to the opt-outs, the continual grumbling and complaining and the demands for special treatment.
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20th November 2018, 03:43 AM	#141
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 20,168	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle So pull a Trump and just refuse to pay your debts. Simple really default on all obligations and live with a closed border. And stop whining about your decision to close the Irish border. Originally Posted by ponderingturtle Well of course, but trade and international travel are small prices to pay for retaking your boarders! Where is the old Blitz spirit? Bring back rationing and all that like in the good old days! It really is time for a remake of 1990, say 2030. Originally Posted by Tolls I'm still very confused as to exactly what end result the DUP want from Bresit. They seem to want to leave the EU, but not have a border with the EU, but not be in any customs union (possibly?). Which is, surely, not achievable? Is there a simple list of (non-contradictory) demands from them? Taigs out.
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20th November 2018, 04:12 AM	#142
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 85,699	Well I've now read the withdrawal agreement/proposal and all I can say is "good luck" and "thanks for all the fishes".
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20th November 2018, 04:13 AM	#143
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 85,699	Originally Posted by catsmate I presume it refers to the opt-outs, the continual grumbling and complaining and the demands for special treatment. To be fair that's true of pretty much all the countries in the EU, they all look out for their own interests first, as they should.
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20th November 2018, 04:57 AM	#144
Ian Osborne JREF Kid Tagger Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,885	Originally Posted by jimbob It's OK, there's a potential saviour https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/19/david...-says-8154169/ Alternatively, this is actually too stupid even for current British politics. Naah, let's bring back Thatcher instead.
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20th November 2018, 05:15 AM	#145
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 85,699	Originally Posted by Ian Osborne Naah, let's bring back Thatcher instead. If there was someone who knew how to sell "signing away our sovereignty" to the public as a positive it was Thatcher.
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20th November 2018, 05:18 AM	#146
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,334	Originally Posted by Tolls I'm still very confused as to exactly what end result the DUP want from Bresit. They seem to want to leave the EU, but not have a border with the EU, but not be in any customs union (possibly?). Which is, surely, not achievable? Is there a simple list of (non-contradictory) demands from them? What you have to understand about the DUP is that they want Northern Irland to be treated the same as the rest of the UK. Just the same. Exactly the same. Except for in the areas of women's rights and reproductive autonomy, gay rights, same sex marriage, cross border trade and movement, use of Ulster Scots, religion........
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20th November 2018, 07:34 AM	#147
Information Analyst Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Besźel or Ul Qoma - not sure... Posts: 9,214	Originally Posted by Vixen Why? If the UK has to follow its laws and regulations, of course it must expect to have a say in the passing and formulating of legislation. Why? Norway and Switzerland don't.
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20th November 2018, 07:35 AM	#148
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20th November 2018, 07:47 AM	#149
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 85,699	Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer What you have to understand about the DUP is that they want Northern Irland to be treated the same as the rest of the UK. Just the same. Exactly the same. Except for in the areas of women's rights and reproductive autonomy, gay rights, same sex marriage, cross border trade and movement, use of Ulster Scots, religion........ In matters of social issues NI is an embarrassment for the UK.
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20th November 2018, 08:03 AM	#150
Earthborn Terrestrial Intelligence Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Terra Firma Posts: 6,029	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Rees Mogg and his ERG have been bleating about their plan for Brexit. All you need to know about the ERG is the fact that here in the Netherlands (otherwise known as "the place your food comes from") the word "erg" means "terrible".
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20th November 2018, 08:20 AM	#151
Information Analyst Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Besźel or Ul Qoma - not sure... Posts: 9,214	Originally Posted by catsmate Shades of '1990', remember Edward Woodward? Now available on DVD! It's actually quite dreary, as 1970s BBC dystopian drama goes (Survivors is much better!), but bits of it do seem worryingly prophetic, even if the writer thought the "bad" stuff would come about for an entirely different reason.

20th November 2018, 08:23 AM	#152
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 85,699	Originally Posted by Earthborn All you need to know about the ERG is the fact that here in the Netherlands (otherwise known as "the place your food comes from") the word "erg" means "terrible". Could you do me a favour? Buy some extra refrigerators and freezers to store my food in as I do believe there might be some slight delay in getting it to me after the 29th March. Thanks. Signed: The people who didn't want to leave and those that are now thinking "oh my god what have we done?!!!" of the UK.
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20th November 2018, 08:25 AM	#153
zooterkin Nitpicking dilettante Deputy Admin Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Berkshire, mostly Posts: 42,491	Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal In a wonderful couldn't-make-it-up moment Spain have now said they will veto the deal anyway unless the situation on Gibraltar is clarified. That's been on the cards for some time, hasn't it?
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20th November 2018, 08:29 AM	#154
Information Analyst Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Besźel or Ul Qoma - not sure... Posts: 9,214	Originally Posted by Wudang The people invoking the blitz spirit tend to ignore how reliant the UK was on the Atlantic convoys. There's a whole heap of stuff such people are ignorant of.

20th November 2018, 08:32 AM	#155
Information Analyst Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Besźel or Ul Qoma - not sure... Posts: 9,214	Originally Posted by Darat Could you do me a favour? Buy some extra refrigerators and freezers to store my food in as I do believe there might be some slight delay in getting it to me after the 29th March. Thanks. Signed: The people who didn't want to leave and those that are now thinking "oh my god what have we done?!!!" of the UK. And hope for no power cuts....