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Old 27th March 2013, 06:20 AM   #281
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People that report these sightings seem sincere but I believe it shows how unreliable our senses of what we are seeing really are.
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Old 6th June 2013, 05:14 PM   #282
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Here is a short article on misidentifying a cryptid (in this case, an out of place animal): http://doubtfulnews.com/2013/06/mist...on-here-kitty/
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Old 7th June 2013, 01:19 AM   #283
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
People that report these sightings seem sincere but I believe it shows how unreliable our senses of what we are seeing really are.
Exactly! Not everyone is lying. However, trying to get "knowers" to accept the fact that they just might be wrong about what they claim to have seen seems to be an exercise in futility.
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Old 9th June 2013, 09:25 PM   #286
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Another factor to consider when it comes to cryptid sightings is out of the way pranks and other forms of guerilla art.
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I don't know, I had a relative that was unfamiliar with beavers and thought they had spotted a cryptid. I just think people are unfamiliar with the native wild life because they never spend anytime outdoors.
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Originally Posted by AtomicMysteryMonster View Post
Another factor to consider when it comes to cryptid sightings is out of the way pranks and other forms of guerilla art.
Some Bigfooters argue that either the Bigfoot phenomena is caused by real Bigfoot, or there is a vast conspiracy to make it look that way. And, of coarse, they say the conspiracy theory is a more outrageous idea than the existence of Bigfoot itself.

You point out an important, probable cause for some of the phenomena -- the out of the way prank. This does not require a conspiracy of hoaxers. Instead, one thread of Bigfoot "evidence" is manufactured by an individual on a lark or a fun side trip intentionally sowing wonder and surprise.

For instance, Bigfoot tracks have been found in out of the way places where a hoaxer would seem to be wasting his time hoaxing tracks. What if the scenario is played out this way: an outdoorsman, back-country hiker, hunter, etc., brings his giant feet stompers in his backpack, and when he has the time away from his hunting, hiking, etc., and finds terrain suitable for the planting of tracks, he mischiefly lays down some Bigfoot tracks. He probably will never know if anyone else will ever find his handiwork, but he nonetheless chuckles to himself imagining how surprised some other hunter or hiker would be to discover them.

This type of prank is a possible explanation for cryptid artifacts like Bigfoot tracks. I'm not sure how it would relate to sightings, unless an artificial cryptid was left out some place to be glimpsed.
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Tell y'all what... I seen that there dogman the other day. Dang thing started talking to about politics and religion, I had to leave before being rude.

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Old 13th June 2013, 07:32 PM   #291
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That's either a Pimp or a Chug.
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@jerrywayne: yes, you described how a lot of hoaxers operate. 'Footers think it more likely that a population of giant apemen is out there than that a population of adolescent humans is out there. Apparently, no footer has ever set foot in a frat house.
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Originally Posted by jerrywayne View Post
. He probably will never know if anyone else will ever find his handiwork, but he nonetheless chuckles to himself imagining how surprised some other hunter or hiker would be to discover them.

This type of prank is a possible explanation for cryptid artifacts like Bigfoot tracks. I'm not sure how it would relate to sightings, unless an artificial cryptid was left out some place to be glimpsed.
Though I've been known to pull a few pranks in my day, it seems to me that the most likely scenario for both of the above is that the prankster/hoaxters are the reporters themselves.
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Field Researchers ARE Finding Bigfoot -- Really?

There is a curious new trend developing in the world of Bigfoot. More and more Bigfoot believers are taking to the field and are actually seeing the beast that is the object of their quest. Unlike the last several decades when Bigfooters would come up empty in the field, where they were chasing sighting reports and told where to find previously discovered tracks, today’s field researchers are, well, Finding Bigfoot.

These feats are primarily and strangely grouped in Texas and Oklahoma, areas not known to be home to indigenous unclassified giant apes or giant aborigines.

Let’s look at the North American Wood Ape Conservancy (NAWAC). Alton Higgins is a member of the board of directors of NAWAC, a biology professor, and a wildlife biologist. While investigating a sighting in a sparsely wooded area of Oklahoma, he had his own sighting. His Bigfoot was black and as massive as an angus bull. It moved quickly, oddly in a bent over posture.

http://woodape.org/reports/report/detail/2270

This account was written up by fellow conservancy member Daryl Coyler, who later had a sighting in south eastern Oklahoma in NAWAC’s “Area X.”

http://woodape.org/index.php/news/ne...-echo-incident

A year later Coyler had another sighting at “Area X.” His sighting can be found around the 43:40 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=0Cstl-8xHAE

Other members have sighted various Bigfoot at the location as well. Continue with the video to hear these sightings, and hear from a member that was actually touched by a wood ape (while he was sleeping).

It is interesting that before his Oklahoma sightings, Coyler saw a wood ape in Texas too. He and his wife were taking a short walk near the Trinity River when he saw it.

http://woodape.org/reports/report/detail/271

The Mid-America Bigfoot Research Center (MABRC) also has had success in locating Bigfoot. Here, researcher Randy Harrington recounts his brush with Bigfoot near Honobia, Oklahoma (not far from Area X, btw.) He has video of the Bigfoot: The Honobia Ridge Walker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkYRWoBX6Nc

The next video also by MABRC shows an investigation by the Green County Bigfoot Research Center where their computer camera is picked up and moved around by something. The most interesting part is their claim they also had sightings of Bigfoot moving on all fours. The MABRC, btw, says it has a photo of a young Bigfoot walking in such a manner, but I’ve been unable to find it posted for non-members.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImNDf8ImOf8

Now we move to the Searching For Bigfoot group as they explore a swampy end of a lake near Paris, Texas. Tom Biscardi and company find what they are looking for.

http://searchingforbigfoot.com/Paris_Texas_July_2006

Troy Hudson is a former member of BFRO. He has come to understand Bigfoot as Okla Chito, the Big People. He has even spoken to them.

http://www.bigfootbuzz.net/we-only-k...y-troy-hudson/

These reports are just a sampling of the Bigfoot Researcher Phenomena of Finding Bigfoot.

What do we make of it?
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Originally Posted by jerrywayne View Post
There is a curious new trend developing in the world of Bigfoot. More and more Bigfoot believers are taking to the field and are actually seeing the beast that is the object of their quest. Unlike the last several decades when Bigfooters would come up empty in the field, where they were chasing sighting reports and told where to find previously discovered tracks, today’s field researchers are, well, Finding Bigfoot.

These feats are primarily and strangely grouped in Texas and Oklahoma, areas not known to be home to indigenous unclassified giant apes or giant aborigines.

Let’s look at the North American Wood Ape Conservancy (NAWAC). Alton Higgins is a member of the board of directors of NAWAC, a biology professor, and a wildlife biologist. While investigating a sighting in a sparsely wooded area of Oklahoma, he had his own sighting. His Bigfoot was black and as massive as an angus bull. It moved quickly, oddly in a bent over posture.

http://woodape.org/reports/report/detail/2270

This account was written up by fellow conservancy member Daryl Coyler, who later had a sighting in south eastern Oklahoma in NAWAC’s “Area X.”

http://woodape.org/index.php/news/ne...-echo-incident

A year later Coyler had another sighting at “Area X.” His sighting can be found around the 43:40 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=0Cstl-8xHAE

Other members have sighted various Bigfoot at the location as well. Continue with the video to hear these sightings, and hear from a member that was actually touched by a wood ape (while he was sleeping).

It is interesting that before his Oklahoma sightings, Coyler saw a wood ape in Texas too. He and his wife were taking a short walk near the Trinity River when he saw it.

http://woodape.org/reports/report/detail/271

The Mid-America Bigfoot Research Center (MABRC) also has had success in locating Bigfoot. Here, researcher Randy Harrington recounts his brush with Bigfoot near Honobia, Oklahoma (not far from Area X, btw.) He has video of the Bigfoot: The Honobia Ridge Walker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkYRWoBX6Nc

The next video also by MABRC shows an investigation by the Green County Bigfoot Research Center where their computer camera is picked up and moved around by something. The most interesting part is their claim they also had sightings of Bigfoot moving on all fours. The MABRC, btw, says it has a photo of a young Bigfoot walking in such a manner, but I’ve been unable to find it posted for non-members.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImNDf8ImOf8

Now we move to the Searching For Bigfoot group as they explore a swampy end of a lake near Paris, Texas. Tom Biscardi and company find what they are looking for.

http://searchingforbigfoot.com/Paris_Texas_July_2006

Troy Hudson is a former member of BFRO. He has come to understand Bigfoot as Okla Chito, the Big People. He has even spoken to them.

http://www.bigfootbuzz.net/we-only-k...y-troy-hudson/

These reports are just a sampling of the Bigfoot Researcher Phenomena of Finding Bigfoot.

What do we make of it?
Clearly a type specimen is nigh. That or people are making **** up.
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There is a curious new trend developing in the world of Bigfoot. More and more Bigfoot believers are taking to the field and are actually seeing the beast that is the object of their quest.(snipped for brevity)

What I make of it is that it's becoming much more of a joke. The fanaticism involved is overwhelming. You could compare it to the UFO and ghosts for good examples. There are some people that want to see a bigfoot so bad, they could see a brief brown furry glimpse crashing through the brush and it suddenly becomes a bigfoot in their mind. (Cathy Strain, Brian Brown what?)

The only beast, is in their mind. They most likely either saw a bear or made the entire story up. Who cares? No bigfoot is still no bigfoot. People claim to see all sorts of things in this world... when you start giving any of them credence with no viable evidence, then you are the fool just as much as them.

I saw this terrifying squirrel the other day on my roof. Dang thing was ferocious. I nearly lost a finger. Here is a picture of my "sighting". We need to do a scientific study on ferocious squirrels. Oh you havent seen one? Too bad! They only pick special people to see them. Only if you are unarmed, and do not have a camera. I got this picture from a specially made trail camera that was hidden with the scent of used womens hygiene products.


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What I make of it is that it's becoming much more of a joke. The fanaticism involved is overwhelming. You could compare it to the UFO and ghosts for good examples. There are some people that want to see a bigfoot so bad, they could see a brief brown furry glimpse crashing through the brush and it suddenly becomes a bigfoot in their mind. (Cathy Strain, Brian Brown what?)

The only beast, is in their mind. They most likely either saw a bear or made the entire story up. Who cares? No bigfoot is still no bigfoot. People claim to see all sorts of things in this world... when you start giving any of them credence with no viable evidence, then you are the fool just as much as them.

I saw this terrifying squirrel the other day on my roof. Dang thing was ferocious. I nearly lost a finger. Here is a picture of my "sighting". We need to do a scientific study on ferocious squirrels. Oh you havent seen one? Too bad! They only pick special people to see them. Only if you are unarmed, and do not have a camera. I got this picture from a specially made trail camera that was hidden with the scent of used womens hygiene products.


http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ps70a9b6af.jpg
You should contact Loren Coleman about the squirrel. Maybe it will be in the next edition of "Mysterious America."

I'm of the mind that mistaken sightings need not be explained by appealing to a similar looking creature. You think Brown and Strain may have seen bears. Possible, given the blackness of the animals and the fact bears are local natives. But, they claimed the animals were too fast ascending the hill for bears. I'm thinking they may have seen something totally different than what they think they saw. Consider that Brian originally claimed he saw two smallish black objects that appeared to glide up the hill. He admitted that he would not have thought of an ape had he had the sighting under a different context. He became convinced that he saw apes because others there, who really had no appreciative better viewpoint, all claimed they saw Bigfoot.
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So it's a known fact that apes can run uphill significantly and obviously faster than the 35 mph or so often attributed to bears?
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Wow... Dude... Just wow...
How close-minded can you be?
Its an UNKNOWN species.
Can't know what it does or does not(*).







(*) Unless, of course, when it is convenient for the belief. Where's that list compiled by Drew of what bigfoots do?
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OK, good!
But its still outdated.
Where are the mid-tarsal breaks, the hypersensitivity to electronic devices, the human DNA, the affinity to gigantopithecus genus, etc.?

I am amazed by how much we "know" about bigfoots...
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You should contact Loren Coleman about the squirrel. Maybe it will be in the next edition of "Mysterious America."

I'm of the mind that mistaken sightings need not be explained by appealing to a similar looking creature. You think Brown and Strain may have seen bears. Possible, given the blackness of the animals and the fact bears are local natives. But, they claimed the animals were too fast ascending the hill for bears. I'm thinking they may have seen something totally different than what they think they saw. Consider that Brian originally claimed he saw two smallish black objects that appeared to glide up the hill. He admitted that he would not have thought of an ape had he had the sighting under a different context. He became convinced that he saw apes because others there, who really had no appreciative better viewpoint, all claimed they saw Bigfoot.
When one of these folks plugs a bear out of season, I'll bet that becomes a bigfoot as well. The body will mysteriously disappear save for a "steak" that will be stored in a Mason jar under Funk and Wagnall's porch where again mysteriously, it will be stolen. Or swapped for a bear steak.
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Georgia sometimes have reports of a unusually large canine like animal living in the south ga swamps and in northern florida. Some people claim its a remnant dire wolf population.

In my opinion its probably just a bear which in south ga is slimmer and more dog like than other bears.
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Georgia sometimes have reports of a unusually large canine like animal living in the south ga swamps and in northern florida. Some people claim its a remnant dire wolf population......
Help me out. What's one of these?

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^A Pleistocene wolf from North America, about 25% heavier on average than Gray Wolf and ecologically dependent on megafauna. Extinct since about 10,000 years ago. (Wiki)

People who report "Dire Wolves" I think are picturing something much larger than a Gray Wolf, but that really isn't the case. I'd call "dog bears" as good a hypothesis as any.
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Georgia sometimes have reports of a unusually large canine like animal living in the south ga swamps and in northern florida. Some people claim its a remnant dire wolf population.

In my opinion its probably just a bear which in south ga is slimmer and more dog like than other bears.
Bears are very slender in the spring, when coming out of hibernation. Kinda wierd looking, compared to how we're used to seeing them.

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Help me out. What's one of these?

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IIRC, they were large wolves arond during the Pleistocene. See the wiki at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dire_wolf.
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Oh! I thought it was a D&D monster.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthr...-amp-Dire-Wolf
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Bears are very slender in the spring, when coming out of hibernation. Kinda wierd looking, compared to how we're used to seeing them.

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The bear equivalent of heroin chic.
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Oh! I thought it was a D&D monster.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthr...-amp-Dire-Wolf
The monster was based on the real one
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Old 17th June 2013, 10:27 AM   #312
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^A Pleistocene wolf from North America, about 25% heavier on average than Gray Wolf and ecologically dependent on megafauna. .......
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Old 17th June 2013, 10:37 AM   #313
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Would or could a Dire Wolf swallow or chew up Bigfoot remains until nothing is left to identify?
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Would or could a Dire Wolf swallow or chew up Bigfoot remains until nothing is left to identify?
Short faced bears would have chased them off of the bigfoot carcasses...
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Of course direwolves are still around. Plenty of high-quality footage of them available at all three seasons of Game of Thrones.

But that's Westeros. In North America, they are kept as pets by bigfoots. Of course, by those bigfoots which are dog people. Those which are cat people, have phantom panters as pets.
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Dire wolves were probably frightened silly at the mere day old scent of a sasquatch...
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Dire wolves were probably frightened silly at the mere day old scent of a sasquatch...
Well, sure. Think of how bad stinky feet smell. Now imagine those feet are BIG and your sense of smell is 100,000 times more acute. I'd run too.
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So it's a known fact that apes can run uphill significantly and obviously faster than the 35 mph or so often attributed to bears?
Well, Shrike, you are forgetting that we are dealing with the Clark Kent of the ape-world. "Faster than a speeding bullet......" and all that.
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Cryptozoologists do tend to romanticize. Any mysterious lake or river sighting becomes a whale or reptile from pre-history. Any unusual canine is converted into a dire wolf; felines become an American Cheetah known from the fossil record.

A dog swimming/walking in the shallows in "lake monster" habitat is a "Super Otter." Bigfoot sightings become evidence of relict gigantopithecines.

Fun and games.
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Oh! I thought it was a D&D monster.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthr...-amp-Dire-Wolf
The Rancho La Brea tar pits museum has something like 300 dire wolf (Canis dirus) skulls on one wall. It's one of the few times paleontologist a have been a blue to do population studies, in fact. Beautiful creatures. I wish I could clone one.

That's the cool part of REAL science--we get to study monsters made even more awe-inspiring by the fact that they were real. They in fact encountered humans.

You want to be really terrified, look up short-faced bears. Closest thing to a demon humans have ever encountered.
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