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Old 8th March 2015, 11:38 AM   #241
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The NAWAC, delivering "outreach activities to schools " since 2011, because those poor kids in southeastern Oklahoma aren't dumb enough yet. It's good to know that if the elected officials of that state ever start falling behind on their anti-science nonsense that there are non-profits like the NAWAC to take up the slack.
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Old 8th March 2015, 12:04 PM   #242
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Originally Posted by Stellafane View Post
And if there's one group that doesn't deserve public support, it's these guys. Because even if you accord them every benefit of every doubt,
Never give Bigfooters the benefit of the doubt.

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and Bigfeet are as common in this patch of woods as they claim, any remotely competent research team should have found abundant proof of their existence by now.
I don't think competency is the issue here. It's about a non-biased desire to identify if there is anything other than hoaxing and imagination and the joys of myth-making.
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Old 8th March 2015, 01:03 PM   #243
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Parcher is correct, this should be a study looking for the trick. Not looking for an ape. They have disregarded repeated offers to help with this. Brown has even stated that it is not a hoax, and that he is either lying or telling the truth. He clearly does not want to blow this.
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Old 8th March 2015, 01:14 PM   #244
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I see now, they are filed under Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy

http://www.nonprofitfacts.com/TX/Tex...ncy-Nawac.html
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Old 8th March 2015, 02:15 PM   #245
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I'm a bit puzzled as to why the National Aviation Weather Advisory Committee would be interested in this?
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Old 8th March 2015, 03:08 PM   #246
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Never give Bigfooters the benefit of the doubt.


I don't think competency is the issue here. It's about a non-biased desire to identify if there is anything other than hoaxing and imagination and the joys of myth-making.
There's some exciting gunplay.

The
Ouachita Project
128
© 2015 North
American Wood Ape Conservancy
began mo
ving through the cabin. (
Adapted from
Operation Tenacity Papa team
after
-
action report from September 3, 2014, unpublished.)
Visual Contacts
Over the course of four years

being conservative in what constitutes a true visual
encounter


On July 3, 2011, at 19:15, upon hearing a rock loudly strike one of the cabins, Daryl Colyer,
Alex Diaz, and Travis Lawrence moved quickly to investigate while Alton Higgins remained
at the base cabin. Colyer took a s
emi
-
automatic 12
-
gauge. Colyer and Diaz crept slowly and
stealthily westward along the trail toward the loud bang, with Diaz moving behind Colyer at
a distance of perhaps 25 yards,” while Lawrence
moved
along the creek. The following is
adapted
from their
after
-
action report:
Colyer crept quietly, slowly, and methodically, walking ten to fifteen yards to listen,
and then proceeding further west, where he believed the sound had originated. Colyer
kept hearing what sounded like movement in the woods further
to the west, so he
continued westward after observing Diaz behind him slowly coming up the trail.
As Colyer rounded the corner, he observed a large upright brown hair
-
covered figure
walking smoothly in the woods. Colyer clearly saw the animal
from the kn
ees up
and
instantly identified it as a brown wood ape with a pointed head, walking south and
angled slightly away from him.
It was
apparently unaware of Colyer, and was walking
across an opening of vegetation perhaps six to eight feet wide; it was a narro
w window
with thick hedges of vegetation on both sides. Colyer noted that the ape was hairy all
over and that there was long hair on the head.
Colyer instinctively targeted the ape with his shotgun from ninety feet away after
observing it for approximate
ly two
to three
seconds. He fired his shotgun until the
magazine was empty (nine rounds
: two 000 buckshot rounds and seven rifled slugs

).
Colyer saw no movement after that. The animal had disappeared because it had
fallen, Colyer thought, or because it had
fled behind a wall of thick vegetation further
to the south toward the creek





ETA: odd formatting an artifact of the c&p.

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Old 8th March 2015, 03:24 PM   #247
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Originally Posted by tsig View Post
There's some exciting gunplay.

He fired his shotgun until the magazine was empty (nine rounds
: two 000 buckshot rounds and seven rifled slugs
...
You mean to tell me this guy sees a human-looking figure in the woods and blasts away at it with his shotgun?? How mind-numbingly irresponsible!! He's lucky he isn't being tried for manslaughter somewhere.
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Old 8th March 2015, 03:46 PM   #248
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Originally Posted by Stellafane View Post
You mean to tell me this guy sees a human-looking figure in the woods and blasts away at it with his shotgun?? How mind-numbingly irresponsible!! He's lucky he isn't being tried for manslaughter somewhere.
He didn't shoot at anyone. It's pretend.
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Old 8th March 2015, 03:59 PM   #249
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Originally Posted by Stellafane View Post
You mean to tell me this guy sees a human-looking figure in the woods and blasts away at it with his shotgun?? How mind-numbingly irresponsible!! He's lucky he isn't being tried for manslaughter somewhere.
Here's a pretty good account of what's known as the "Echo Incident"
I guess if someone could find the property there would be police report in that county
http://www.ghosttheory.com/2011/10/2...ts-to-shooting
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To be fair to the NAWAC and bigfooters in general, it's not a surprise that a hunter hasn't brought forth a specimen yet. The general consensus is that Bigfoot doesn't exist, so if someone's up in a tree stand and they happen to get a glimpse of one, they will probably assume it's just some nut in a suit or that they are seeing things. The truth is, not many people would actually take a shot at one if given the chance. When someone's out in the wilderness and they see one for the first time, shooting it for the advancement of science is going to be the last thing on their mind.
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To be fair to the NAWAC and bigfooters in general, it's not a surprise that a hunter hasn't brought forth a specimen yet. The general consensus is that Bigfoot doesn't exist, so if someone's up in a tree stand and they happen to get a glimpse of one, they will probably assume it's just some nut in a suit or that they are seeing things. The truth is, not many people would actually take a shot at one if given the chance. When someone's out in the wilderness and they see one for the first time, shooting it for the advancement of science is going to be the last thing on their mind.

Maybe you missed the memo. There is no such thing as Bigfoot.
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Old 8th March 2015, 04:26 PM   #252
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Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch View Post
To be fair to the NAWAC and bigfooters in general, it's not a surprise that a hunter hasn't brought forth a specimen yet. The general consensus is that Bigfoot doesn't exist, so if someone's up in a tree stand and they happen to get a glimpse of one, they will probably assume it's just some nut in a suit or that they are seeing things. The truth is, not many people would actually take a shot at one if given the chance. When someone's out in the wilderness and they see one for the first time, shooting it for the advancement of science is going to be the last thing on their mind.
No, but it is a surprise that -- assuming Bigfoot exists -- no one has every found a corpse, hair, turd, tooth, bone, skull, skin, blood, fossil (in any form), etc. etc. Also no unmistakable photo, video, audio record, nada. Yet NAWAC would have you believe Bigfeet are so common down in their neck of the woods that having one throw rocks at you is practically an everyday occurrence, and so easily seen that you can actually distinguish and name individual specimen.
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Maybe you missed the memo. There is no such thing as Bigfoot.
Well, then, it's no surprise a hunter hasn't brought one forward yet!
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No, but it is a surprise that -- assuming Bigfoot exists -- no one has every found a corpse, hair, turd, tooth, bone, skull, skin, blood, fossil (in any form), etc. etc. Also no unmistakable photo, video, audio record, nada. Yet NAWAC would have you believe Bigfeet are so common down in their neck of the woods that having one throw rocks at you is practically an everyday occurrence, and so easily seen that you can actually distinguish and name individual specimen.

And I would have gotten away with it if wasn't for you pesky porcupines.

I shall now return to my haunted amusement park after stopping by my haunted lighthouse.

Don't tell Fred or Daphne.

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To be fair to the NAWAC and bigfooters in general, it's not a surprise that a hunter hasn't brought forth a specimen yet. The general consensus is that Bigfoot doesn't exist, so if someone's up in a tree stand and they happen to get a glimpse of one, they will probably assume it's just some nut in a suit or that they are seeing things. The truth is, not many people would actually take a shot at one if given the chance. When someone's out in the wilderness and they see one for the first time, shooting it for the advancement of science is going to be the last thing on their mind.
No, it's a ridiculous argument. Millions of hunters, trappers and gatherers over thousands of years and not one single footie or piece of one ever. Preposterous. If it existed, we'd have it. Story over.
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Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch View Post
To be fair to the NAWAC and bigfooters in general, it's not a surprise that a hunter hasn't brought forth a specimen yet. The general consensus is that Bigfoot doesn't exist, so if someone's up in a tree stand and they happen to get a glimpse of one, they will probably assume it's just some nut in a suit or that they are seeing things. The truth is, not many people would actually take a shot at one if given the chance. When someone's out in the wilderness and they see one for the first time, shooting it for the advancement of science is going to be the last thing on their mind.
No the truth is if bigfoot existed one would have been havested long ago. Your assuming the rest of the world shares your view (footer)
I can assure you most hunters while shocked would know if they are looking at a human or a Bigfoot.
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Yeah, if you see a Bigfoot leap 40 feet and kill a pig with a punch and then tuck it under its arm you are good-to-go for shooting it. When a 9 foot tall hairy ape does inhuman things in front of you you can be confident that you aren't about to shoot a person.

That never ever happened. Never.
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Well, then, it's no surprise a hunter hasn't brought one forward yet!

By "hunter" I assume you mean intellectually challenged nutjob who likes to brag about his guns whilst dressing in cammo gear, trying to avoid tripping over his belly and bragging about 'expeditions' covering an area no greater than the size of my bathroom.

I'm going to award myself two internets because I've only just realised that, whilst the term "BLAARGING" is sheer brilliance (my favourite is HindenBlarg), this silly phenomenon is one big Scooby Doo episode.

For my fellow oldies, think about the chase scenes in Scooby Doo.
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...this silly phenomenon is one big Scooby Doo episode.
Ruh-roh!
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Ruh-roh!

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Just looking at their report again. Looks like they did have a GoPro camera.

"Helmer had been wearing a GoPro video camera at the time; however, the 8GB disk had filled prior to Helmer’s visual and the visual encounter was not recorded on video. Helmer recalled that the figure he had seen —given the name “Blackie” by Helmer — distinctively had very broad shoulders with a “V” taper toward its waist"

One of many sightings, yet they can't get a picture of it. What a load of bull.
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Just looking at their report again. Looks like they did have a GoPro camera.



"Helmer had been wearing a GoPro video camera at the time; however, the 8GB disk had filled prior to Helmer’s visual and the visual encounter was not recorded on video. Helmer recalled that the figure he had seen —given the name “Blackie” by Helmer — distinctively had very broad shoulders with a “V” taper toward its waist"



One of many sightings, yet they can't get a picture of it. What a load of bull.

Hang on a minute, are you saying the gear failed at the critical moment?
I'm trying to think where I've heard that before.
Oh...every bloody time in FigBoot world.

FTR: 8 gig is quite a large amount of storage for a kiddie cam.
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They couldn't hit a giant monkey from 30 yards away with a shotgun? Not even with one of the ten 36 caliber 000 buck pellets to generate a little blood loss?
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"Colyer crept quietly, slowly, and methodically, "

Yep, this is just how we field biologists describe things in our publications.

ETA: No it isn't.
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He didn't shoot at anyone. It's pretend.
I'd be surprised if the gun was even fired.

I wouldn't waste 000 buck and slug rounds. They'll kill your shoulder, too.

I'd buy some very cheap #8 birdshot rounds from Wal-Mart if I wanted to fire a shotgun with little risk of injuring anyone.
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Probably the work of Wood Apes:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...led/?tid=sm_tw
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They couldn't hit a giant monkey from 30 yards away with a shotgun? Not even with one of the ten 36 caliber 000 buck pellets to generate a little blood loss?



There's no stoppin' what can't be stopped. No killin' what can't be killed.
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I'm British, (sorry), so I don't really get the laughable gun culture/cammo gear/bunkering down against the evil gubbamunt stuff.
I only have one tin of baked beans in my fridge at any one time.
I'm not legally allowed to own firearms, not that I would want to.

Question: are the figbooters the kind of folks who say"amendment" regularly?

/no offence intended to normal folks. Enquiring minds etc.
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Yes, but for every hyper-Christian "packing large" in bigfootery, there's a New Ager into crystals and a Native American who's been convinced that bigfoot comes from their ancient traditions.

The ignorant, overweight blowhard obsessed with guns is a stereotype Americans have come about honestly, but 'footers are a bit more diverse than just those types.
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Yes, but for every hyper-Christian "packing large" in bigfootery, there's a New Ager into crystals and a Native American who's been convinced that bigfoot comes from their ancient traditions.

The ignorant, overweight blowhard obsessed with guns is a stereotype Americans have come about honestly, but 'footers are a bit more diverse than just those types.



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Read the entire report here: Ouachita Project Monograph (And you better read it before attempting to disparage it in the comments.) You’ll find that it’s well-written, intelligent and at times dramatic.
She really expects us to read a 229-page PDF document before we dismiss it?

I don't want to waste my time. Here's the evidence I would be willing to consider:
1) An actual living or dead specimen.
2) High quality video evidence.

I will say this though: If these creatures are so good at hiding from humans, it seems highly unlikely that they would throw rocks at human dwellings or bang on the outside of them or on metal or wood or otherwise make a big racket to attract attention. If you want to avoid humans and hide from them, you don't make lots of noise on purpose. And you stay as far away from them as possible.


I'm not going to waste my time reading the enormous report because frankly it doesn't pass the sniff test. That doesn't make me a "denialist" or "cynical" or not "open-minded", it just makes me realistic.
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So, this is Bigfoot-Plus, is it? Just like Atheism-Plus, but without the pretense of rationalism. Social Justice for Bigfoot...? Free Bigfoot Blogs...?

I really don't know what to think about all this until I hear what Rebecca has to say...

Or at the very least Thunderbigf00t...
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I'm not familiar with this odd woman but.... I'm feeling brave.
Hands up if you want a Skype chat with her.
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She really expects us to read a 229-page PDF document before we dismiss it?

I don't want to waste my time. Here's the evidence I would be willing to consider:
1) An actual living or dead specimen.
2) High quality video evidence.

I will say this though: If these creatures are so good at hiding from humans, it seems highly unlikely that they would throw rocks at human dwellings or bang on the outside of them or on metal or wood or otherwise make a big racket to attract attention. If you want to avoid humans and hide from them, you don't make lots of noise on purpose. And you stay as far away from them as possible.


I'm not going to waste my time reading the enormous report because frankly it doesn't pass the sniff test. That doesn't make me a "denialist" or "cynical" or not "open-minded", it just makes me realistic.
Skimming through the report it is clear that they are NOT good at hiding from humans. They have many sightings of them. They just can't seem to take a picture or video when they do have the sightings.

It all seems just made up. No real researchers could be this incompetent.
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Skimming through the report it is clear that they are NOT good at hiding from humans. They have many sightings of them. They just can't seem to take a picture or video when they do have the sightings.

It all seems just made up. No real researchers could be this incompetent.
It sounds like the coyote trying to catch the roadrunner.
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And please don't forget that Brian Brown owns a marketing company, so he can obviously spin a yarn.
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Originally Posted by FFed View Post
Skimming through the report it is clear that they are NOT good at hiding from humans. They have many sightings of them. They just can't seem to take a picture or video when they do have the sightings.

It all seems just made up. No real researchers could be this incompetent.
Yup. Doesn't pass the sniff test. From her blog post:
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The group suggests in their hypothesis that an undocumented anthropoid is native to this remote area they call “Area X” in order to not reveal its location (on private land). They surmise that the creature primarily is bipedal and exists in social groups. They have adapted to be stealthy and avoid being in a direct line of sight.
They make a huge racket throwing rocks and such, banging on walls, but always manage to keep out of a "direct line of sight". Come on.

ETA: Also, why is the location of "Area X" a secret? Shouldn't that be a big red flag for someone who is supposed to be a skeptic?
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A. Bill Munns has commented on the DN article.


B. The investigation that is going on at Area X, must literally look like a Three Stooges feature. I mean, you have dozens of sightings, subjects in a scope, a dude blasting a full magazine of 12 gauge at one of the beasts, a cabin getting rained on by rocks, and no one can get picture one of these creatures. It really must be hilarious.

C. EYDATI- elusive, yet draws attention to itself.
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I just posted at Ms Hill's website. Mystified as to why she thinks that this is at all interesting..despite that I tried to make a suggestion. From now on, NAWAC members should carry gloves and then bag the rocks that are thrown at them as the rocks could contribute DNA. At this point, it takes very few skin cells to get a DNA sample , and there could be sweat or oils there too to contribute a sample or even a finger prints. Also I doubt that "wood apes" wash their hands after urinating/ defecating and before they chuck the rocks, so those sources could also contribute DNA that could be present on the sample.

And though primates may throw rocks and other items , they frequently throw something far more unpleasant; the fact that no one has had a handful of steaming feces thrown at them is very odd since that is far more in keeping with primate behavior than rocks.
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A. Bill Munns has commented on the DN article.


B. The investigation that is going on at Area X, must literally look like a Three Stooges feature. I mean, you have dozens of sightings, subjects in a scope, a dude blasting a full magazine of 12 gauge at one of the beasts, a cabin getting rained on by rocks, and no one can get picture one of these creatures. It really must be hilarious.

C. EYDATI- elusive, yet draws attention to itself.
The Three Stooges meet the Keystone Cops.
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