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Old Today, 11:03 AM   #3321
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Vixen, citation for the alleged "crush on Kurt Knox", please. Or is this just another unsupported personal attack along the same lines as Burleigh's parents being "stoned hippies"?


Regarding the plagiarism, TJMK has featured vdL's books and at least one article by him, thus endorsing them. And yet, PQ is not endorsing his latest and says there may be plagiarism involved.

In this article, vdL claims that he elected voluntarily to remove the relevant parts and says "a phone call" and "a lawyer's letter sent to her (Pruett) by overnight courier" resulted in the book being available within a few days. To me, he is implying that he was not forced to remove the relevant parts by Amazon or Pruett. I don't believe it and think this is his spin. He also says that Pruett was "probably paid to research the timeline" which I also don't believe.
http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index...._too_strident/
Karen Pruett's own words, about how she was in high school with Curt and she would support him and his family to the death (not because she believes his daughter is innocent, but because she has feelings of loyalty to Curt [does Cassandra know?]).


Nick used a quote of Karen's which he attributed to Karen and linked it to Karen's article on GROUND REPORT web page.

Karen contacted Amazon to say it was plagiarism, but it actually wasn't. Nick simply removed her quote and brought out the book under a new title.

It's still in publication, so no sign of any plagiarism, after all.
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Old Today, 11:09 AM   #3322
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Vixen, citation for the alleged "crush on Kurt Knox", please. Or is this just another unsupported personal attack along the same lines as Burleigh's parents being "stoned hippies"?
IIRC this stupidity started years ago when haters were commenting on her Ground Report articles.

One article quoted Curt Knox a couple of times, and one hater (instead of dealing with the content) did the hater-tango saying that all the cites were because she'd had a crush on him.

Such was the level of hater "analysis".

And rather than letting it pass, haters started passing this around as factual. Like Vixen just did....

... which should inform everyone about how "objective" Vixen is or the way she assesses facts. Repition becomes a substitute for proof.
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Originally Posted by Bill Williams View Post
IIRC this stupidity started years ago when haters were commenting on her Ground Report articles.

One article quoted Curt Knox a couple of times, and one hater (instead of dealing with the content) did the hater-tango saying that all the cites were because she'd had a crush on him.

Such was the level of hater "analysis".

And rather than letting it pass, haters started passing this around as factual. Like Vixen just did....

... which should inform everyone about how "objective" Vixen is or the way she assesses facts. Repition becomes a substitute for proof.
Why not? Curt seems to be a 'babe magnet', with Cassandra, Edda and who knows who milling around him.
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Old Today, 11:16 AM   #3324
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Karen Pruett's own words, about how she was in high school with Curt and she would support him and his family to the death (not because she believes his daughter is innocent, but because she has feelings of loyalty to Curt [does Cassandra know?]).


Nick used a quote of Karen's which he attributed to Karen and linked it to Karen's article on GROUND REPORT web page.

Karen contacted Amazon to say it was plagiarism, but it actually wasn't. Nick simply removed her quote and brought out the book under a new title.

It's still in publication, so no sign of any plagiarism, after all.

LOL! What a crock load of...well, you know. And so do we. Bringing in his wife is a new low even for you. Disgusting.

If vdL had used Karen's work correctly and legally, there would have been no reason to remove it. It's still in publication because he removed it. Your spin isn't working.
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Why not? Curt seems to be a 'babe magnet', with Cassandra, Edda and who knows who milling around him.
Why do you persist in this slimey slander when you'd just posted you don't say things unless u say them to their faces?
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Old Today, 11:21 AM   #3326
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
LOL! What a crock load of...well, you know. And so do we. Bringing in his wife is a new low even for you. Disgusting.

If vdL had used Karen's work correctly and legally, there would have been no reason to remove it. It's still in publication because he removed it. Your spin isn't working.
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Why not? Curt seems to be a 'babe magnet', with Cassandra, Edda and who knows who milling around him.
I was wrong that bringing in Cassandra was a new low. This is.
Rather than admit that you have no evidence whatsoever that Pruett has a "crush" on Curt Knox you resort to this behavior. Have you no shame?
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LOL! What a crock load of...well, you know. And so do we. Bringing in his wife is a new low even for you. Disgusting.

If vdL had used Karen's work correctly and legally, there would have been no reason to remove it. It's still in publication because he removed it. Your spin isn't working.
A guy robbed a bank. When it was pointed out to him that he'd been caught, he tried to give the money back.

He then complained when he was charged with robbery.
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Old Today, 11:35 AM   #3328
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A guy robbed a bank. When it was pointed out to him that he'd been caught, he tried to give the money back.

He then complained when he was charged with robbery.
Vixen should work as the Press Secretary for Trump. Her spin is as believable as Spicer's or Sarah H-Sanders'.
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In 2007 a local crook breaks into a cottage the same way he previously broke into a law office, carrying the same knife he previously pulled during a previous burglary

10 years later, I learn a man named Curt Knox is a "babe magnet."

*in Dr Malcolm voice* that's chaos theory


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Old Today, 12:39 PM   #3330
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A guy robbed a bank. When it was pointed out to him that he'd been caught, he tried to give the money back.

He then complained when he was charged with robbery.
You are so ignorant . Plagiarism is passing someone else's works off as your own. As Karen was fully credited with her quote, as well as it being in clear italics, it was pure malice for her to complain to Amazon.

Her work wasn't even original it was just quoting various widely promulgated news items. You cannot own a news item.
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...and yet...he removed it from his book and had to re-release it under a new title. uh huh
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You are so ignorant . Plagiarism is passing someone else's works off as your own. As Karen was fully credited with her quote, as well as it being in clear italics, it was pure malice for her to complain to Amazon.
This post is the nature of the remaining PR effort from the haters. It completely ignores the IMPORTANT party to this dispute, and the action that party took.

Amazon. Which suspended the account until that instance of plagiarism was dealt with.

The nature of the remaining PR effort is to try to control the narrative, mainly by leaving out salient details. One other detail is that even PQ is potentially citing another plargiarism issue. Another one.

Stay tuned. The PR effort cannot let this go.
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
ROFLMAO

This has to be the epitome of hypocrisy.
Vixen accuses another post of being the epitome of hypocrisy. PGP need a reminder of the consistent hypocrisy they have shown in their posts :-

* Attacking Amanda and Raffaele for lying whilst lying in their posts and supporting liars on an industrial scale as highlighted in my post below

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...3#post11997763

* Accusing Hellman and C&V of being corrupt whilst slavishly defending corrupt police/prosecutors who carried out misconduct and corruption on a massive scale as detailed in the links below

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/raffaeles-kitchen-knife/
http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/contam...bwork-coverup/
http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/meredi...ry-corruption/
http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/evidence-destroyed/
http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/blood-...irs-apartment/
https://knoxsollecito.wordpress.com/...ele-sollecito/
http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/myths.html

* Accusing Amanda of not being the sharpest tool whilst PGP posters display such chronic mental impairment they can’t understand even the simplest concepts as detailed in my post below .

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...0#post11951980

* Attacking the supreme court for supposedly not following Italian law by annulling the conviction rather than sending it for another trial but PGP had no problem when the police broke numerous Italian laws during the interrogation as detailed below

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/italia...rogation-laws/

Just when I thought PGP could not stoop any lower in their hypocrisy, they now accuse posters of hypocrisy.
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...and yet...he removed it from his book and had to re-release it under a new title. uh huh
That's because Pruett being unreasonable, refused any communicaion.

Amazon doesn't arbitrate; it tells the two parties in dispute to come to an agreement.
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That's because Pruett being spiteful, refused to withdraw her claim.

Amazon doesn't arbitrate; it tells the two parties in dispute to come to an agreement.

Pruett, being filled with hatred towards anyone who pointed to Knox and Sollecito's guilt, simply refused to co-operate.
The PR effort continues. It continues against the obvious.

It did not tell the two parties, "to come to an agreement." That is the PR invention of someone with an interest in protecting an author.

Amazon suspended an account over plagarism. The plagiarist relented. The account was reopened.

Stay tuned. The PR effort of an interested party will continue.
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The PR effort continues. It continues against the obvious.

It did not tell the two parties, "to come to an agreement." That is the PR invention of someone with an interest in protecting an author.

Amazon suspended an account over plagarism. The plagiarist relented. The account was reopened.

Stay tuned. The PR effort of an interested party will continue.
As a master of spin, perhaps you can give me some PR tips.
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As a master of spin, perhaps you can give me some PR tips.
PR 2.01. Rather than deal with the actual facts of Amazon's action in dealing with plaguarism....

..... just turn it around and make accusations which move the issue even further from what's at hand.

Divert divert divert, but Amazon's suspension of account for plagiarism and Peter Quennell's comment about NvdL's further plagiarism go unaddressed.

Stay tuned. The PR effort of an interested party will continue.
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That's because Pruett being unreasonable, refused any communicaion.

Amazon doesn't arbitrate; it tells the two parties in dispute to come to an agreement.
And your evidence of this is? Let me guess; NvdL?

The undeniable facts are that 1)Amazon suspended his account and 2) it was not reinstated until the questionable parts were removed from his book and 3)it was reissued under another name.

Spin that.
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PR 2.01. Rather than deal with the actual facts of Amazon's action in dealing with plaguarism....

..... just turn it around and make accusations which move the issue even further from what's at hand.

Divert divert divert, but Amazon's suspension of account for plagiarism and Peter Quennell's comment about NvdL's further plagiarism go unaddressed.

Stay tuned. The PR effort of an interested party will continue.
You have zero evidence of plagiarism. The Amazon issue was to do with a copyright query. As you know, judicious quoting within the context of criticism and making a clear attribution, doesn't contravene any rules, although admittedly, the big newspaper chains don't like being quoted, even though they get their stuff from Reuters and AP press releases, and are hardly original as all the mass media publish the same news with similar wording.

In Karen's case the real issue was more mundane. It was pure factionalism.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
And your evidence of this is? Let me guess; NvdL?

The undeniable facts are that 1)Amazon suspended his account and 2) it was not reinstated until the questionable parts were removed from his book and 3)it was reissued under another name.

Spin that.
No, Amazon didn't insist on that. Karen refused to communicate so it was Nick's own initiative to break the deadlock by republishing with her quote removed. It was entirely without prejudice. There was no admission of liability by either Amazon or Nick.

She could have communicated with him direct with a quick email, instead of kicking up a stink.
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You are so ignorant . Plagiarism is passing someone else's works off as your own. As Karen was fully credited with her quote, as well as it being in clear italics, it was pure malice for her to complain to Amazon.
Just for the record. Judging from the formatting of the re-published book called "Deceit" and the follow up's "Dark Matter" and "Under Suspicion" and the three new ones "Despicable", "Foxy Knoxy fights back" and "Extradition" (I want my money back) it is clear that nothing is "clear in italics" in any of those "books" (blame that on the editor )
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Her work wasn't even original it was just quoting various widely promulgated news items. You cannot own a news item.
Funny thing about this is that Karen Pruett is one of the persons who have forgotten more about the case than You, VdL and Wilson combined will ever know...
Btw, this is the timeline we are talking about:
MEREDITH, AMANDA AND RAFFAELE: THE CALM BEFORE THE STORM (ground report saved via the wayback machine)...

But, well, it would be nice if this newly registered (see above) member "Nick van der Leek" would join the discussion here...
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
IMV If you can't say something to someone's face one shouldn't say it at all.
Really? That is not how the MA works. Have you even read it?

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If someone signs up in the name they are known by, I don't see why they would shy away from criticism.
Simple. To suppress criticism. Why you cannot figure this out is anyone's guess.

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If it's a troll with a 'pen name', then it'll soon become apparent and the MA re personalisation wouldn't count.
Not if that account continues to make zero posts, which is the case as matters stand

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Say, I signed up as 'Donald J Trump' or 'Kim Ung Yong', I don't see that would stifle debate about these characters.
Oh, try reading the MA that you signed and get back to us about that.

I posted a PSA to all and sundry without taking any side. A sizeable number of your posts, along with many others, are now subject to infraction. If you want to run that moddy gauntlet, go right ahead.
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You have zero evidence of plagiarism.
The PR effort of an interested party to the books continues.

The casual reader will judge. The evidence is this, Amazon suspended the account. Amazon asked only one person to do something to rectify this.

Nick van der Leek.

Van der Leek complied. Suspension ended.

But who needs evidence when Nick's PR department posts as she does. BTW - PQ has offered further "evidence" - similar fact evidence.

But PR attempts to get the reader to ignore that. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
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Really? That is not how the MA works. Have you even read it?

Simple. To suppress criticism. Why you cannot figure this out is anyone's guess.

Not if that account continues to make zero posts, which is the case as matters stand

Oh, try reading the MA that you signed and get back to us about that.

I posted a PSA to all and sundry without taking any side. A sizeable number of your posts, along with many others, are now subject to infraction. If you want to run that moddy gauntlet, go right ahead.

'To suppress criticism' insinuates they have something to hide.

Your implying they have something to hide is scurrilous.
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And your evidence of this is? Let me guess; NvdL?

The undeniable facts are that 1)Amazon suspended his account and 2) it was not reinstated until the questionable parts were removed from his book and 3)it was reissued under another name.

Spin that.
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No, Amazon didn't insist on that. Karen refused to communicate so it was Nick's own initiative to break the deadlock by republishing with her quote removed. It was entirely without prejudice. There was no admission of liability by either Amazon or Nick.

She could have communicated with him direct with a quick email, instead of kicking up a stink.
I stated three facts, none of which was that "Amazon insisted" on the removal or that anyone "admitted liability". However, once again, if vdL had correctly and legally given Pruett credit, there would have been no reason for him to have removed any part of it or to have reissued it under another name.

You have still failed to provide any evidence that 1) That's because Pruett being unreasonable, refused any communicaion.

or 2) Amazon doesn't arbitrate; it tells the two parties in dispute to come to an agreement.
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'To suppress criticism' insinuates they have something to hide.

Your implying they have something to hide is scurrilous.
The PR spin continues.

The "something to hide" is the track record of cut-and-paste books, on many more books than on this case. The "something to hide" is charges of plagiarism, now from two mutually opposite sources.

The PR effort is to blame others, make it seem that van der Leek's cut-and-paste book writing method is somehow legit, or at the very least adds something to a case that ended 2 1/2 years ago - 30 months! - with acquittals.

The "something to hide" is the process by which NvdL can "write" 12 to 20 books a year.

But let's talk about other things. The baby needs new shoes.
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
'To suppress criticism' insinuates they have something to hide.

Your implying they have something to hide is scurrilous.
"Scurrilous"? As in claiming Burleigh's parents were "stoned hippies", that Pruett "had a crush" on Curt Knox and supported him because of that whether his daughter was guilty or not, that Pruett is "rabid pro-Knox worshipper", that "it was pure malice for her to complain to Amazon, that "Curt seems to be a 'babe magnet', with Cassandra, Edda and who knows who milling around him, that AK used cocaine, and all the rest of the false claims you've made? That "scurrilous"?

And you have the nerve to accuse others of hypocrisy?
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I stated three facts, none of which was that "Amazon insisted" on the removal or that anyone "admitted liability". However, once again, if vdL had correctly and legally given Pruett credit, there would have been no reason for him to have removed any part of it or to have reissued it under another name.

You have still failed to provide any evidence that 1) That's because Pruett being unreasonable, refused any communicaion.

or 2) Amazon doesn't arbitrate; it tells the two parties in dispute to come to an agreement.
He did credit her. If she has told you otherwise, she is being less than frank.

She didn't want her quote included at all, nor a link to her GR article.

The real question is what has she got to hide. Departing from the truth perhaps...?
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
He did credit her. If she has told you otherwise, she is being less than frank.

She didn't want her quote included at all, nor a link to her GR article.

The real question is what has she got to hide. Departing from the truth perhaps...?
rofl

the truth of this braindead case...finally exposed.... in some two bit smut book researched on google....
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The PR spin continues.

The "something to hide" is the track record of cut-and-paste books, on many more books than on this case. The "something to hide" is charges of plagiarism, now from two mutually opposite sources.

The PR effort is to blame others, make it seem that van der Leek's cut-and-paste book writing method is somehow legit, or at the very least adds something to a case that ended 2 1/2 years ago - 30 months! - with acquittals.

The "something to hide" is the process by which NvdL can "write" 12 to 20 books a year.

But let's talk about other things. The baby needs new shoes.
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"Scurrilous"? As in claiming Burleigh's parents were "stoned hippies", that Pruett "had a crush" on Curt Knox and supported him because of that whether his daughter was guilty or not, that Pruett is "rabid pro-Knox worshipper", that "it was pure malice for her to complain to Amazon, that "Curt seems to be a 'babe magnet', with Cassandra, Edda and who knows who milling around him, that AK used cocaine, and all the rest of the false claims you've made? That "scurrilous"?

And you have the nerve to accuse others of hypocrisy?
Citation please of where I said Knox used cocaine.

Where did that curve ball come from?
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
He did credit her. If she has told you otherwise, she is being less than frank.

She didn't want her quote included at all, nor a link to her GR article.

The real question is what has she got to hide. Departing from the truth perhaps...?
The PR spin in defense of NvdL continues, and turns to the ridiculous. Apparently saying ANYTHING to divert attention away from.....
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The PR spin continues.

The "something to hide" is the track record of cut-and-paste books, on many more books than on this case. The "something to hide" is charges of plagiarism, now from two mutually opposite sources.

The PR effort is to blame others, make it seem that van der Leek's cut-and-paste book writing method is somehow legit, or at the very least adds something to a case that ended 2 1/2 years ago - 30 months! - with acquittals.

The "something to hide" is the process by which NvdL can "write" 12 to 20 books a year.
..... is fair game.

This time it is to accuse someone else of "hiding something."

That's right, this someone else is now deemed to be "hiding something". And this needed to have been hidden so much that she PUBLISHED IT AT GROUND REPORT, the place from where NvdL plagiarized.

The PR spin has turned ridiculous. "What's she trying to hide?"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The PR work continues from a party with a direct interest in the publishing of these cut-and-paste books.
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
He did credit her. If she has told you otherwise, she is being less than frank.

She didn't want her quote included at all, nor a link to her GR article.

The real question is what has she got to hide. Departing from the truth perhaps...?
The awkwardness of the PR spin continues.
1) If he credited her properly, why did Amazon suspend his account?

2) It didn't matter if she wanted her quote "used", if it had been the result of a proper citation, why did Amazon suspend him? In fact it is not about her at all. Once again, the PR stuff from NvdL's corner misses that it was Amazon which took action, set the remedial terms, and reversed the suspension once the terms had been acted upon by NvdL. At the level of Amazon, it had nothing to do with anyone else but NvdL.

3) If she was "departing from the truth", why did NvdL plagiarize it and include it in the first version of his book?
The PR effort is coming off the rails.
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Really? That is not how the MA works. Have you even read it?

Simple. To suppress criticism. Why you cannot figure this out is anyone's guess.

Not if that account continues to make zero posts, which is the case as matters stand

Oh, try reading the MA that you signed and get back to us about that.

I posted a PSA to all and sundry without taking any side. A sizeable number of your posts, along with many others, are now subject to infraction. If you want to run that moddy gauntlet, go right ahead.

'To suppress criticism' insinuates they have something to hide.

Your implying they have something to hide is scurrilous.
I implied nothing at all, I simply observed a common behaviour.

If you want scurrilous, look to your own...
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Why not? Curt seems to be a 'babe magnet'
In one stroke you are claiming that women are all brainless twits whose brains can be induced to dribble out their ears so long as the bloke wears the right after-shave, or in my case, instead-of-shave since I sport at beard. I'm a bloke, and I am deeply offended that you would trivialise the other half of humanity in that way. As a man, I can say that I find this sort of misogyny utterly repulsive.
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
He did credit her. If she has told you otherwise, she is being less than frank.

She didn't want her quote included at all, nor a link to her GR article.

The real question is what has she got to hide. Departing from the truth perhaps...?
She didn't tell me anything.

If someone has published something on the internet such as her article on Ground Report, then it is available to be used as long as the proper credit is given to the author. Pruett wouldn't have had a leg to stand on and neither would Amazon. But that ain't the way it went down, is it?
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Citation please of where I said Knox used cocaine.

Where did that curve ball come from?
I could go looking for it and maybe I will when I've got more time. Right now, I can only quote your buddy, NvdL, for Deceit:

"Amanda is not thinking straight. She is drunk on coke and marijuana."
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