Democracy is in trouble.... - Page 9

d4m10n · 27th January 2021, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

...sounds to me like you're saying our elections are secure. Inconsequential clerical errors might sometimes occur but outright voter fraud extensive enough to swing an election doesn't happen. Yet, in 2016, we knew that Russians succeeded in manipulating our election to Donald Trump's advantage.

Sounds to me like you've somehow failed to realize that subverting election security and manipulating voters via disinformation are two totally distinct ways to change the outcome.

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arthwollipot · 27th January 2021, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by jnelso99

Geez - just throw in a blockchain or two if you want your secure voting...

You laugh, but it has been seriously proposed.

CaptainHowdy · 28th January 2021, 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by d4m10n

Sounds to me like you've somehow failed to realize that subverting election security and manipulating voters via disinformation are two totally distinct ways to change the outcome.

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And the outcome still changes.

The Great Zaganza · 28th January 2021, 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

And the outcome still changes.

sure, but it's nothing more secure voting could change.
So it makes no sense to mention it in this context.

Gord_in_Toronto · 28th January 2021, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

You laugh, but it has been seriously proposed.

ISTR reading about this in Blockchain Revolution: How the Technology Behind Bitcoin is Changing Money, Business, and the World, by Don Tapscott^WP in 2016. I think the book had an example of some jurisdiction or small country actually doing it but my copy seems to be missing.

27th January 2021, 05:47 PM	#321
d4m10n Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Mounts Farm Posts: 6,393	Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy ...sounds to me like you're saying our elections are secure. Inconsequential clerical errors might sometimes occur but outright voter fraud extensive enough to swing an election doesn't happen. Yet, in 2016, we knew that Russians succeeded in manipulating our election to Donald Trump's advantage. Sounds to me like you've somehow failed to realize that subverting election security and manipulating voters via disinformation are two totally distinct ways to change the outcome. Sent from my SM-T560NU using Tapatalk
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27th January 2021, 11:07 PM	#322
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 70,273	Originally Posted by jnelso99 Geez - just throw in a blockchain or two if you want your secure voting... You laugh, but it has been seriously proposed.
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28th January 2021, 03:08 AM	#324
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,654	Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy And the outcome still changes. sure, but it's nothing more secure voting could change. So it makes no sense to mention it in this context.
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28th January 2021, 09:23 PM	#325
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,405	Originally Posted by arthwollipot You laugh, but it has been seriously proposed. ISTR reading about this in Blockchain Revolution: How the Technology Behind Bitcoin is Changing Money, Business, and the World, by Don Tapscott^WP in 2016. I think the book had an example of some jurisdiction or small country actually doing it but my copy seems to be missing.
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28th January 2021, 02:46 AM	#323
CaptainHowdy Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,655	Originally Posted by d4m10n Sounds to me like you've somehow failed to realize that subverting election security and manipulating voters via disinformation are two totally distinct ways to change the outcome. Sent from my SM-T560NU using Tapatalk And the outcome still changes.