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Old 8th March 2017, 12:08 PM   #1
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Mural van FBI report of explosive residue

hi all, need some help. I can't seem to find what I need in the search. Truther claims explosive residue was found in the moving van so says the declassified FBI report... I know this is bunk and I've seen something on it before, but can anyone help me with these and why they are not what the truthers claim they are? Namely PROOF that they had explosives in their moving van when it was stopped..


Page 1, section 7 of the FBI report.

""Item # 15 is listed as a “Fabric Sample (Explosive Residue)”Item #16 is listed as “Control Swabs – SA [ – ] Gloves”Item #17 is listed as “Control Swabs – (Bomb Suits)”Item #34 is listed as “Blanket Samples For Explosive Residue”
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Old 8th March 2017, 12:38 PM   #2
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Why is this troubling you if you know it is bunk?
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Old 8th March 2017, 12:44 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by TheSane View Post
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Page 1, section 7 of the FBI report.

""Item # 15 is listed as a “Fabric Sample (Explosive Residue)”Item #16 is listed as “Control Swabs – SA [ – ] Gloves”Item #17 is listed as “Control Swabs – (Bomb Suits)”Item #34 is listed as “Blanket Samples For Explosive Residue”
Do you have a URL for this FBI report? I understand you can't yet post a proper URL due to not having a sufficient number of posts in this forum yet (minimum is 15 posts), but it is okay and within the rules to post an "edited" URL - where you leave out the http, the \\ and the www.
This could help us help you.
Personally, I have never looked into this "van" issue, as I have never seen a persuasive argument from the "truther" side that it is an issue at all.
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Old 8th March 2017, 12:45 PM   #4
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It doesn't trouble me, I am talking to a truther who claims the FBI report admits they found explosives in the Israelis van... Which even if they did means nothing... but do these items mean the van had explosives?

I was under the impression that the descriptions of the items didn't mean what truthers think they mean... Thought I read it before.
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Old 8th March 2017, 12:50 PM   #5
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sure thing, here is what I could find, searched to the exact page.

archive.org /stream/DancingIsraelisFBIReport/fbi%20report%20section%201#page/n5/mode/2up/search/Fabric+Sample
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Old 8th March 2017, 01:02 PM   #6
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Looks like they were just listing pieces of evidence collected, and listed that certain samples were taken to test for explosive residue. Just a theory anyway, I'm no expert.
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Old 8th March 2017, 01:46 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by TheSane View Post
hi all, need some help. I can't seem to find what I need in the search. Truther claims explosive residue was found in the moving van so says the declassified FBI report... I know this is bunk and I've seen something on it before, but can anyone help me with these and why they are not what the truthers claim they are? Namely PROOF that they had explosives in their moving van when it was stopped..


Page 1, section 7 of the FBI report.

""Item # 15 is listed as a “Fabric Sample (Explosive Residue)”Item #16 is listed as “Control Swabs – SA [ – ] Gloves”Item #17 is listed as “Control Swabs – (Bomb Suits)”Item #34 is listed as “Blanket Samples For Explosive Residue”
Just a friendly note, we discuss a lot of bombings and conspiracy idiot theories in these pages. It would be very helpful if you would remember to indicate which conspiracy crap we are to be discussing here!!!! Thanks, fuelair, and welcome in unless you are just another CTer!!!
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Old 8th March 2017, 01:53 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Random View Post
Looks like they were just listing pieces of evidence collected, and listed that certain samples were taken to test for explosive residue. Just a theory anyway, I'm no expert.
That was my first thought too.

Yes for eg., swabs for explosive residue testing, nothing on the results of any swabs that were actually taken.

IOW, truthers saying this is evidence of explosives in the van is like looking at a grocery receipt that lists a bag of apples and sack of flour, and claiming the person who bought them has an apple pie.
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Old 8th March 2017, 01:58 PM   #9
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The FBI report is named "KURZBERG, SIVAN ET AL" and can be located on Scribd.

I have most, if not all, downloaded, if any need a copy.
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Old 8th March 2017, 02:19 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by fuelair View Post
Just a friendly note, we discuss a lot of bombings and conspiracy idiot theories in these pages. It would be very helpful if you would remember to indicate which conspiracy crap we are to be discussing here!!!! Thanks, fuelair, and welcome in unless you are just another CTer!!!
thank you and no, I am not a CTer... I apologize for not being more clear in the claim I was trying to get help on. I agree with the assessment of the other folks. if control swabs are mentioned, those seem very unlikely to be something they found in the van. From what I can tell, they found "gloves" and some "fabric"...recommended they use control swabs to test for explosive residue... and perhaps the mention of a bomb suit is suggesting they investigate if the gloves could be part of a bomb suit... does that sound about right? Sorry this isn't a more compelling topic. thank you for your assistance.
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Originally Posted by TheSane View Post
sure thing, here is what I could find, searched to the exact page.

archive.org /stream/DancingIsraelisFBIReport/fbi%20report%20section%201#page/n5/mode/2up/search/Fabric+Sample
This is the link in clickable form, for the benefit of others:

http://archive.org/stream/DancingIsr.../Fabric+Sample
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Old 9th March 2017, 01:14 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by pgimeno View Post
This is the link in clickable form, for the benefit of others:

http://archive.org/stream/DancingIsr.../Fabric+Sample
Can the FBI really not spell "Israeli"? Do we know if this document is genuine?
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Old 9th March 2017, 02:10 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by jaydeehess View Post
That was my first thought too.

Yes for eg., swabs for explosive residue testing, nothing on the results of any swabs that were actually taken.

IOW, truthers saying this is evidence of explosives in the van is like looking at a grocery receipt list, that lists a bag of apples and sack of flour, and claiming the person who bought them had the list on them has an apple pie.
FTFY
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Old 10th March 2017, 04:15 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by jaydeehess View Post
IOW, truthers saying this is evidence of explosives in the van is like looking at a grocery receipt that lists a bag of apples and sack of flour, and claiming the person who bought them has an apple pie.
It's way more tenuous than that. It's of no more substance than declaring you checked someone's grocery bag to see if it smelled of apples or was dusted with flour, but without saying whether it was or not.

It's a no-smoke-without-fire argument which rests entirely on the inference that only notorious pie bakers would get their bag sniffed for apples.
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Old 10th March 2017, 04:40 AM   #15
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
It's a no-smoke-without-fire argument which rests entirely on the inference that only notorious pie bakers would get their bag sniffed for apples.
But it has the makings of an excellent heads-I-win, tails-you-lose argument for truthers. Ground Zero was never tested for explosives, therefore we can't conclude that there were no explosives there; the van was tested for explosives, so we can conclude that there were explosives in it. Taken to its logical conclusion, everything contains explosives. Which is of course consistent with the finding that everything is an inside job.

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