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Old 13th June 2017, 09:17 PM   #1
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Grenfell Tower Molten Steel

There is a raging high rise fire in London. Video shows melted steel dripping from the building. Must be Thermite and thus an inside job!!!!!



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Duplicate thread but it looks like this one was first.

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Old 13th June 2017, 09:51 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by BadBoy View Post
There is a raging high rise fire in London. Video shows melted steel dripping from the building. Must be Thermite and thus an inside job!!!!!

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...0b88a6e59f.png

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It's still dark outside. As I post this, it hasn't even turned 6 AM in London.
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Looks terrifying. I hope not too many people have been seriously hurt.
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The BBC says there is fear the building will collapse...how do they always know? It's like they have science classes in England or something...
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Old 13th June 2017, 11:32 PM   #6
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https://twitter.com/Rosie/status/874828240300494850

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a 27 floor building on fire
for hours in london

has not yet been reduced to rubble
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Old 14th June 2017, 02:51 AM   #7
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God, some people are stupid. Every single time there is a fire in some kind of high rise building, these morons start waving their arms around and spewing their ignorance.

Meanwhile instead of immediately farting out 9/11 woo, the rest of us focus on concern for the people INSIDE that block of flats.
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Old 14th June 2017, 02:57 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
The BBC says there is fear the building will collapse...how do they always know? It's like they have science classes in England or something...
Oh don't mind us stupid Brits with our ridiculous idea that fire can possibly cause a building to fall down...
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Old 14th June 2017, 02:18 PM   #9
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The NWO uses thermite at Yosemite too.
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Old 14th June 2017, 03:55 PM   #10
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This looks like yet another case where the safety of composite cladding panels needs to be looked at.

I'm sure this will be done.

My thoughts are for the victims and the hope the toll does not climb.
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Old 14th June 2017, 04:05 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by beachnut View Post
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The NWO uses thermite at Yosemite too.
And a beautiful sight/site it is!!!!!
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This looks like yet another case where the safety of composite cladding panels needs to be looked at.

I'm sure this will be done.

My thoughts are for the victims and the hope the toll does not climb.
According to BBC on NPR it is definitely going to be looked into - and should have already due to an earlier similar fire (last year).
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Originally Posted by DGM View Post
This looks like yet another case where the safety of composite cladding panels needs to be looked at.

I'm sure this will be done.

My thoughts are for the victims and the hope the toll does not climb.
Unfortunately due to some lacks of speed in getting people out it is likely they will find more. I hope not, but that seems to be likely.
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Nitpick...CNN reports it as 24 storeys.
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Old 14th June 2017, 04:42 PM   #15
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Unfortunately due to some lacks of speed in getting people out it is likely they will find more. I hope not, but that seems to be likely.
Someone is getting blamed. Apparently residents have been complaining that it is a fire trap. Discarded matresses in the lobby, no proper fire stairs and only one entrance/exit.
Couple that with this idiocy of flammable cladding and it was a setting for disaster.
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Couple that with this idiocy of flammable cladding and it was a setting for disaster.
My reading says the cladding itself is "flame retardant". I'm thinking the application is not fully understood (use over other materials) or regulated.
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Pics and video sure look to confirm the exterior was on fire.
If the cladding itself was fire retardant then what it was attached to (insulation for eg.) was on fire.
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Residents were flashing lights in SOS pattern. This would seem to indicate that the fire was predominantly exterior at first since power was on.
Egress gets difficult though if the stairwells fill with smoke.
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The reaction of all right thinking sane people in the UK has been "How could this happen when we have such strong regulations about this kind of thing" and "Those poor people".

The reaction of every 9/11 conspiracy nutjob has been "SEE!! SEE!!".

I just knew they would be all over this as soon as I saw it, and that they would conveniently gloss over the lack of fuel laden planes hitting this building at high speed, the lack of debris landing on it from other buildings, the entirely different construction and the whole complete set of different of circumstances involved.

They need help.
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The reaction of all right thinking sane people in the UK has been "How could this happen when we have such strong regulations about this kind of thing" and "Those poor people".

The reaction of every 9/11 conspiracy nutjob has been "SEE!! SEE!!".

I just knew they would be all over this as soon as I saw it, and that they would conveniently gloss over the lack of fuel laden planes hitting this building at high speed, the lack of debris landing on it from other buildings, the entirely different construction and the whole complete set of different of circumstances involved.

They need help.
Just what I was thinking. The idea that you have to point out that some buildings are different from other buildings is...well, I really don't have the words.
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The comments section of Youtube news video's on this fire are already rife with morons making idiotic comments like 'still waiting for this one to fall symmetrically at free-fall speed'.

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so.......thermite that failed. should definitively be evidence of it's existence then.
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The comments section of Youtube news video's on this fire are already rife with morons making idiotic comments like 'still waiting for this one to fall symmetrically at free-fall speed'.

I avoid reading YouTube comments on 90% of the videos I watch. Mostly because I wish to avoid being infected by the sheer stupidity, or have my brain leak out my ears... an affliction they seem to have suffered from.
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The reaction of all right thinking sane people in the UK has been "How could this happen when we have such strong regulations about this kind of thing" and "Those poor people".

The reaction of every 9/11 conspiracy nutjob has been "SEE!! SEE!!".

I just knew they would be all over this as soon as I saw it, and that they would conveniently gloss over the lack of fuel laden planes hitting this building at high speed, the lack of debris landing on it from other buildings, the entirely different construction and the whole complete set of different of circumstances involved.

They need help.



Although I don't actually wish being trapped in a burning high rise on anyone (not even 9/11 loonies), I wonder if they'd still be yelling out the same **** even if they WERE.

They are so divorced from reality that waving their tin foil hats around, and not stopping to think about human tragedy is pretty much automatic.
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Friend of mine on FB did something similar in a thread - asked why the building hadn't "pancaked down" like the WTC. I quickly laid out all the usual points - building design, 90-ton airliners moving at 750 fps, 10,000 of jet fuel, kinetic energy, yadda yadda yadda. Her response? A series of "Whatever." That was her comeback. "Whatever.' As infantile as that response was, it still beat most of what we hear from AE911 or Balsamo or anything else these days.
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On my FB feed one poster exclaims that despite being constructed of concrete this tower withstood the fire while in Manhattanthree steel buildings fell down. The point apparently being how much more fire proof steel is.
I posted back that the display of ignorance was quite astounding
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It's molten plastic, just like every cladding fire for the last few years.

Roubaix 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHZfLDxYBuU

Dubai 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djuaEQDvXcc

Dubai 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W8QhDnlVeg

There was one in Australia in 2014, but there is no good camera footage.
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The Amazing Hidden Inferno

Amazing mystery fires must have been hiding inside WTC7.

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Amazing mystery fires must have been hiding inside WTC7.

http://i63.tinypic.com/ivg8lj.jpg
You're still here trying to tell us two pictures taken at different times of the day with two completely different sets of circumstances and two completely differently built structures are comparable?

Is it really that difficult for you to ask questions beyond the first dimension?
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Someone is getting blamed. Apparently residents have been complaining that it is a fire trap. Discarded matresses in the lobby, no proper fire stairs and only one entrance/exit.
Couple that with this idiocy of flammable cladding and it was a setting for disaster.
The cladding also was US supplied - at the time not legal for such construction in US but was in GB. I believe that changed real recently (late last week).
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Residents were flashing lights in SOS pattern. This would seem to indicate that the fire was predominantly exterior at first since power was on.
Egress gets difficult though if the stairwells fill with smoke.
and bodies and fallen not yet dead victims. that is this morning on NPR (as is the US not fireproof cladding - a post or three above this one)
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It's still dark outside. As I post this, it hasn't even turned 6 AM in London.
Sunrise was at 04.42 in London on the day of the fire; it was not dark, though not full daylight.
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Amazing mystery fires must have been hiding inside WTC7.

http://i63.tinypic.com/ivg8lj.jpg
Apples and oranges are both fruits. They should taste the same.

Gads,,, you are either quite dense, or a troll.

One of those buildings was primarily concrete in both floors and supporting structure, the other exclusively steel support.
One of those buildings was typical short span, post and beam, the other was constructed over a pre-existing structure, essentially having a "foundation" built 6 storeys above ground, and was a long span open floor space, non-standard shaped structure.
One of those buildings saw large loss of life, the other had no loss of life.
One had flammable exterior cladding which contributed greatly to vertical fire spread, the other did not.
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The best part of Criteria's post is the lie within. "WTC7 fully involved by fire", "WTC7 seconds after".

How many seconds in 8 hours?
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Amazing mystery fires must have been hiding inside WTC7.
You left out the Plasco building. Cherry picking?
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You left out the Plasco building. Cherry picking?
He also left out the department of architecture building at Delf University, which was concrete and DID suffer a collapse complete from roof to foundation.

There is a real simple reason for this:

Sometimes, fires make a building collapse, often they don't.

Just like sometimes, car crashes kill people, often they don't.
Just like sometimes, thunder storms flood cellars, often they don't.
Just like sometimes, women get pregnant from sex, often they don't.
Just like sometimes, milk goes bad two days after the date printed, often it doesn't.
Just like sometimes, ships that hit icebergs sink, often they don't.

All this is far beyond the reach of truther intellects, apparently.
I could ask Criteria if he agrees to any or all of the above, but we know already that he will never ever answer.
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The 9/11 Truth Movement is dead. Time to move on...
Recent postings indicate that it's still not illegal to pimp-slap a dead horse.
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