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Old 22nd January 2017, 05:57 PM   #241
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I count (at least) 15 storeys above ground.

This matters how? What would be importantly different if it had 17 or 14 storeys?
well, if they called just an ordinary building a high rise, maybe they really called explosives 'fire'!

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Old 22nd January 2017, 05:57 PM   #242
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Originally Posted by Whip View Post
you mean like planes flying into buildings,
those buildings collapsing and damaging other buildings, causing fires that make those buildings collapse?
Those kinda details?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Whip412/376a.gif
Yes, we know the aircraft wings never got to the central cores of the Twin Towers due to hitting multiple floors in their stiff axis due to worrying about details. That tells us how many core columns could have been damaged/severed.
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Old 22nd January 2017, 05:58 PM   #243
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
I inserted a word that you forgot.

You haven't explained yet why either matters. You just say it does.
It matters because NIST clearly stated (despite your denials) that they were not aware of a building over 15 storey collapsing primarily due to fire. If it didn't matter then why would you have tried to dispute that he said it?
If it didn't matter, then why did Shyam say it ?
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Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti View Post
Yes, we know the aircraft wings never got to the central cores of the Twin Towers due to hitting multiple floors in their stiff axis due to worrying about details. That tells us how many core columns could have been damaged/severed.
Try to focus.
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Floors Above Ground 17

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Old 22nd January 2017, 05:59 PM   #246
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Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti View Post
Yes, we know the aircraft wings never got to the central cores of the Twin Towers due to hitting multiple floors in their stiff axis due to worrying about details. That tells us how many core columns could have been damaged/severed.
OMG.
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Old 22nd January 2017, 05:59 PM   #247
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
I inserted a word that you forgot.

You haven't explained yet why either matters. You just say it does.
All of the details matter when doing an analysis and that is what will be done here.
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Floors Above Ground 17

Yes, that's what they state - They need to correct that.
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Old 22nd January 2017, 06:02 PM   #249
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Originally Posted by Old coarse guy View Post
It matters because NIST clearly stated (despite your denials) that they were not aware of a building over 15 storey collapsing primarily due to fire. If it didn't matter then why would you have tried to dispute that he said it?
If it didn't matter, then why did Shyam say it ?
I disputed he said that because I thought he didn't say that. I have no idea what that number of floors matters for. 15 is an arbitrary number. When it comes to the effects fires has on buildings, there is no magic that separates buildings higher than 15 floors sharply from buildings lower than 15 floors.
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Originally Posted by Old coarse guy View Post
It matters because NIST clearly stated (despite your denials) that they were not aware of a building over 15 storey collapsing primarily due to fire. If it didn't matter then why would you have tried to dispute that he said it?
If it didn't matter, then why did Shyam say it ?
You didn't answer how the height of the building matters in this case.

Is it just a "gotcha" to you?
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Yes, that's what they state - They need to correct that.
No they do not.

The mutts at AETruth need to change their lie that black smoke indicates a low temperature fire.
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Old 22nd January 2017, 06:04 PM   #252
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All of the details matter when doing an analysis and that is what will be done here.
Again, this mantra is the core and foundation of your the ongoing utter failure of you last eight years.

No. Not all details matter.
Only the details that matter matter.
All the others are a distraction and waste of time.
You need to present reasons for why those details matter that you say matter. You don't. You just say so. Saying so doesn't make it so.
When will you ever learn, Tony?
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Apparently to NIST and Shyam Sunder, it does. Yes.
It's 17 above ground and that still makes no difference. Defining anything as high rise or not high rise is an arbitrary definition which makes no difference at all to anything useful.

If you think it does, what would you do if we decided to redefine "high-rise" as 5+ floors? What difference would that make? None.
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You didn't answer how the height of the building matters in this case.

Is it just a "gotcha" to you?
NO. It is all about attention to detail, like when Sunder nearly says 17 storeys and corrects the detail to being 15 @ 32s in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IkiLxdn-5Q
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NO. It is all about attention to detail, like when Sunder nearly says 17 storeys and corrects the detail to being 15 @ 32s in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IkiLxdn-5Q

And this matters how?

Does it matter there has never been a affirmative case made for controlled demolition?
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What's the significance? If it's 14 it will collapse but add 3 floors and it won't.

Clutching at straws but still drowning.
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And this matters how?
Because this is what Shyam Sunder and NIST stated. If you want to ask NIST about why they stated this specific detail you can email them at
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Because this is what Shyam Sunder and NIST stated. If you want to ask NIST about why they stated this specific detail you can email them at
inquiries@nist.gov
Why would I? How does it matter in the event discussed in this thread?
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Why would I? How does it matter in the event discussed in this thread?
I would like to establish whether this building was or wasn't a high rise in so far as NIST are aware, with reference to previous building collapses.
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I would like to establish whether this building was or wasn't a high rise in so far as NIST are aware, with reference to previous building collapses.
Why?
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Why?
Because I want to know if this building would fall into the category of unprecedented collapse, within NIST's stated terms, which are those over 15 storeys.
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This appears to be a perspective fail.

Take this picture attached...

From the top, one can count 11 floors, but the lower floors are obscured. Continue your count with the 4 storey orange foreground building and you reach 15.

This works for just as long as you can pretend perspective does not exist.
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Because I want to know if this building would fall into the category of unprecedented collapse, within NIST's stated terms, which are those over 15 storeys.
How does this matter? Is it OK if the building is taller?
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How does this matter? Is it OK if the building is shorter?
CLEARLY it does matter in terms of NISTs statement, otherwise why would Shyam have specified "over 15 storeys" ?
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It matters to all the printed marketing collateral.
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CLEARLY it does matter in terms of NISTs statement, otherwise why would Shyam have specified "over 15 storeys" ?
So a floor lower makes some significant difference?
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Because I want to know if this building would fall into the category of unprecedented collapse, within NIST's stated terms, which are those over 15 storeys.
Umm..."unprecedented" means "never happened before". This was true in 2001, but now it isn't. I don't know if you failed to notice, but that was 16 years ago and since then, no such collapse can be described as "unprecedented".
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Umm..."unprecedented" means "never happened before". This was true in 2001, but now it isn't. I don't know if you failed to notice, but that was 16 years ago and since then, no such collapse can be described as "unprecedented".
"unprecedented" in the sense of what Shyam Sunder says applies to buildings that are "over 15 storeys". That is why he stated it. Whether this building falls into this category is not yet established. Certainly most Iranian media produce a result stating 15 storeys when searched in their native language.
This means that Shyam Sunder's statement of WTC7 being unprecedented still stands.
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Umm..."unprecedented" means "never happened before". This was true in 2001, but now it isn't. I don't know if you failed to notice, but that was 16 years ago and since then, no such collapse can be described as "unprecedented".
That is only if NIST had shown that WTC 7 came down due to fire. They didn't and that much is proven.

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You know, I am really smelling the AE911T panic with this Plasco collapse. First they double down on the dumb by declaring it CD, then they start grasping for straws regarding the height of the buikding.

Face it, Tony. Steel frame buildings can collapse from a fire. I know this bursts your, any many others, bubble. But all that bubble is doing is keeping out reality. Embrace it as a shining light entering your life.
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"unprecedented" in the sense of what Shyam Sunder says applies to buildings that are "over 15 storeys". That is why he stated it. Whether this building falls into this category is not yet established. Certainly most Iranian media produce a result stating 15 storeys when searched in their native language.
This means that Shyam Sunder's statement of WTC7 being unprecedented still stands.
And this matters how?
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And this matters how?
Why wouldn't it ?
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Why wouldn't it ?
Why should it? You are the one that thinks it's significant. Explain why.
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You know, I am really smelling the AE911T panic with this Plasco collapse. First they double down on the dumb by declaring it CD, then they start grasping for straws regarding the height of the buikding.

Face it, Tony. Steel frame buildings can collapse from a fire. I know this bursts your, any many others, bubble. But all that bubble is doing is keeping out reality. Embrace it as a shining light entering your life.
I am smelling a bunch of individuals on this forum jumping to conclusions on the Plasco building collapse because it fits a narrative they want to believe with WTC 7. It has nothing to do with reality.

I think I am going to see what investigatory details emerge on the Plasco collapse and do some analysis on my own before coming to a conclusion.

There are violent and somewhat focused expulsions emanating from the Plasco building right before and during the collapse which do not immediately lends themselves to natural means.

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Why should it? You are the one that thinks it's significant. Explain why.
No, Shyam Sunder is the one who thinks that it is significant, hence you can hear him say it in this video here around 32s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IkiLxdn-5Q
I gave you the email - if you are worried about the significance, ask NIST, they stated it

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I am smelling a bunch of individuals on this forum jumping to conclusions on the Plasco building collapse because it fits a narrative they want to believe with WTC 7. It has nothing to do with reality.

I think I am going to see what investigatory details emerge on the Plasco collapse and do some analysis on my own before coming to a conclusion.

There are violent and somewhat focused expulsions emanating from the Plasco building which do not immediately lends themselves to natural means.
Link a report when you get it done.
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II am looking at this collapse with a critical eye and engineers usually worry about details when doing analyses.

Speaking of details, which photo depicts the Plasco tower rubble?


Photo 1

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid.../docs/b7_2.jpg


Photo 2

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/...trip=all&w=800

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No, Shyam Sunder is the one who thinks that it is significant, hence you can hear him sy it in this video here around 32s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IkiLxdn-5Q
I gave you the email - if you are worried about the significance, ask NIST, they stated it.
Dodge noted.
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No, Shyam Sunder is the one who thinks that it is significant, hence you can hear him say it in this video here around 32s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IkiLxdn-5Q
I gave you the email - if you are worried about the significance, ask NIST, they stated it
He thinks it's significant to the topic of this thread?
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Dodge noted.
Well, do you know which buildings Shyam was referring to when he corrected himself from saying 17 to 15 storeys?
Nobody is dodging anything, but you seem to be making comparisons between 2 buildings here because you want to make the comparison, not because the comparison is fair.
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