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Old 29th September 2020, 08:01 PM   #161
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
So every network doing a postmortem . What's the consensus? Person, woman, man-child, TV?
I shifted between our 3 local stations: ABC, NBC and CBS. Pretty much Biden did a much better job. But an awful lot of people hated the whole thing. For me those two results are not incompatible.
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Old 29th September 2020, 08:02 PM   #162
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I'm a bit surprised that Biden threw the "Green New Deal" under the bus. Joe Biden: "The Green New Deal is not my plan ... No, I don’t support the Green New Deal."
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Old 29th September 2020, 08:09 PM   #163
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I'd also like someone to ask Trump, which country, which leader? Because Trump is lying.
Anytime one of his quotes starts with "Sir,..." that's the clue it's a lie.
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Old 29th September 2020, 08:09 PM   #164
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Until this very moment I had assumed that 538 was a dispassionate number crunching organization. I had no idea they were also doing opinions.
To be clear, 538 had a running blog with several participants from various points on the political spectrum. The opinions expressed were those of the bloggers and NOT 538. I could have made that clearer.

I'm sure the blog roll will persist so you can check for yourself.
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Old 29th September 2020, 08:16 PM   #165
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
Anytime one of his quotes starts with "Sir,..." that's the clue it's a lie.
I thought the clue was that his lips are moving and noises are coming out of his throat.
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Old 29th September 2020, 08:17 PM   #166
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Originally Posted by Galaxie View Post
That was a ridiculous question by Wallace
Based on tonight's performance, Wallace should be fired. Or at least demoted to covfefe boy.
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Old 29th September 2020, 08:18 PM   #167
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
These are your best two candidates to lead the nation over the next four years? You are absolutely ******.

Yes.
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Old 29th September 2020, 08:20 PM   #168
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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In tonight’s presidential debate the President said the “Portland Sheriff” supports him. As the Multnomah County Sheriff I have never supported Donald Trump and will never support him.
Likely he meant Portland Police Chief Chuck Lovell (Who supports President Trump). Since Portland does not have a Sheriff in charge of their local police force this should be easy to understand. But yes this small mixup will undoubtedly be seen as scandalous of course. Victory! Trump lied!
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Old 29th September 2020, 08:22 PM   #169
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Woody Allen once said that 90% of life is just showing up, and Biden was there.

Some Trump fans suggested that he might be a no-show.

I think he did fine, and Trump didn't come off particularly well. He kept trying to talk over Biden and rebut Biden when it was Biden's turn to speak. The moderator had to ask him to stop repeatedly. If Biden was going to have a "senior moment" this constantly trying to interrupt him would make it difficult for that to happen. I think he came off as a boor and a bully. Biden did well enough that I don't think he will lose support. I don't think anyone's mind was changed by what either candidate said.

To be sure, I don't think Biden is a good debater and his performance wasn't very impressive, but the bar was set so low that just showing up was almost enough. And also, Trump was just Trump. I don't think he scored any knockout.

Are there really still any undecided voters who were waiting to watch the debates before making up their mind? If so, will this help them to decide?
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Old 29th September 2020, 08:26 PM   #170
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
These are your best two candidates to lead the nation over the next four years? You are absolutely ******.
We could have had that nice young gay man who went to Harvard, but the voters chose Biden.
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Old 29th September 2020, 08:27 PM   #171
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
I'm a bit surprised that Biden threw the "Green New Deal" under the bus. Joe Biden: "The Green New Deal is not my plan ... No, I don’t support the Green New Deal."
You shouldn't be. Despite Trump's blather, Biden is no far left liberal. The Green New Deal is fine if viewed as some idealistic view but it's poison as public policy so Biden has been public about not supporting it.
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Old 29th September 2020, 08:30 PM   #172
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Woody Allen once said that 90% of life is just showing up, and Biden was there.

Some Trump fans suggested that he might be a no-show.

I think he did fine, and Trump didn't come off particularly well. He kept trying to talk over Biden and rebut Biden when it was Biden's turn to speak. The moderator had to ask him to stop repeatedly. If Biden was going to have a "senior moment" this constantly trying to interrupt him would make it difficult for that to happen. I think he came off as a boor and a bully. Biden did well enough that I don't think he will lose support. I don't think anyone's mind was changed by what either candidate said.

To be sure, I don't think Biden is a good debater and his performance wasn't very impressive, but the bar was set so low that just showing up was almost enough. And also, Trump was just Trump. I don't think he scored any knockout.

Are there really still any undecided voters who were waiting to watch the debates before making up their mind? If so, will this help them to decide?
When Rick Santorum pans Trump's performance, going so far as to say Trump hurt himself, that suggests you're not seeing just how unhinged that performance was.
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Old 29th September 2020, 08:30 PM   #173
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I'm not saying the lack of moderation led to that being a total wreck but Gordon Lightfoot has already penned the lyrics to a somber retelling of the events.
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Old 29th September 2020, 08:33 PM   #174
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Why is the Trump family allowed to not wear masks in the debate hall while everyone else follows the rules?
They did actually walk in with them on. I did see most of the people sitting in that area (including a smirking Gym "I know they're doing it just for the show" Jordan) not wearing them.
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Old 29th September 2020, 08:36 PM   #175
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Originally Posted by SezMe View Post
You shouldn't be. Despite Trump's blather, Biden is no far left liberal. The Green New Deal is fine if viewed as some idealistic view but it's poison as public policy so Biden has been public about not supporting it.
The base that supports the "Green New Deal" is not going to be happy about this.
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Old 29th September 2020, 08:37 PM   #176
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Based on tonight's performance, Wallace should be fired. Or at least demoted to covfefe boy.
Tbf, Joe Rogan would have sucked too.
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Old 29th September 2020, 08:37 PM   #177
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Trump is dropping in the prediction markets. The gap was eight cents midway into the debate, but now it's a 16 cents. I blame the media. It's ridiculous how unfair they are to Trump, even after everything he's done for Israel.
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Old 29th September 2020, 08:38 PM   #178
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When Rick Santorum pans Trump's performance, going so far as to say Trump hurt himself, that suggests you're not seeing just how unhinged that performance was.
I haven't seen any post-debate spin from pundits yet. I wasn't able to watch the whole thing because I have work to do, but from what I was able to watch, I agree. However, I have become inured to it, and this is what I expect from Trump, so I wasn't surprised. I hope he's right that Trump hurt himself, but I really have a hard time believing that there's still any voters out there who were keeping an open mind until the debates and thus might actually change their vote because of this performance.
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Old 29th September 2020, 08:40 PM   #179
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The base that supports the "Green New Deal" is not going to be happy about this.
They'll still vote for Biden though.
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Old 29th September 2020, 08:42 PM   #180
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Woody Allen once said that 90% of life is just showing up, and Biden was there.

Some Trump fans suggested that he might be a no-show.

I think he did fine, and Trump didn't come off particularly well. He kept trying to talk over Biden and rebut Biden when it was Biden's turn to speak. The moderator had to ask him to stop repeatedly. If Biden was going to have a "senior moment" this constantly trying to interrupt him would make it difficult for that to happen. I think he came off as a boor and a bully. Biden did well enough that I don't think he will lose support. I don't think anyone's mind was changed by what either candidate said.

To be sure, I don't think Biden is a good debater and his performance wasn't very impressive, but the bar was set so low that just showing up was almost enough. And also, Trump was just Trump. I don't think he scored any knockout.

Are there really still any undecided voters who were waiting to watch the debates before making up their mind? If so, will this help them to decide?
It was Trump's rude interruptions that I remember the most.
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Old 29th September 2020, 08:45 PM   #181
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You shouldn't be. Despite Trump's blather, Biden is no far left liberal. The Green New Deal is fine if viewed as some idealistic view but it's poison as public policy so Biden has been public about not supporting it.
The thing is the Green New Deal is merely aspirational. As a whole it is unsupportable. But there are aspects that are good.
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Originally Posted by SezMe View Post
You shouldn't be. Despite Trump's blather, Biden is no far left liberal. The Green New Deal is fine if viewed as some idealistic view but it's poison as public policy so Biden has been public about not supporting it.
Astounding that this needs pointing but that there you are.
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Are there really still any undecided voters who were waiting to watch the debates before making up their mind? If so, will this help them to decide?
A certain percentage of conservatives, particularly military people, still believes in playing by the rules. I suspect they were not only appalled by Trump's performance, but are thinking to themselves "If this guy behaves like this when he's on TV, what's he like in the Oval Office?"
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I'm not saying the lack of moderation led to that being a total wreck but Gordon Lightfoot has already penned the lyrics to a somber retelling of the events.
The debate appears to have killed Helen Reddy.
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They'll still vote for Biden though.
Why would they? If the chosen Democratic candidate has the same views on the "Green New Deal" as the current President, what's in it for those that support it? "Don't tread on me" may realize a new meaning in this day and age instead of stepping on a rattlesnake, it may become the motto of those who seem to be thrown under the bus time and time again by the Democratic leadership.
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I think Trump came across as a child who simply cannot control himself. His constant scowl revealed that he was not happy that he was not in control of the situation. I also think this should put to bed any nonsense that Biden has dementia. While this was neither's finest hour, I'd say Biden did far better than Trump who came across like a petulant child.
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The debate appears to have killed Helen Reddy.
OK, I like to think I'm fairly astute, but you have to explain this one.
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Why would they? If the chosen Democratic candidate has the same views on the "Green New Deal" as the current President, what's in it for those that support it? "Don't tread on me" may realize a new meaning in this day and age instead of stepping on a rattlesnake, it may become the motto of those who seem to be thrown under the bus time and time again by the Democratic leadership.

The Green New Deal is a set of goals. Someone can support reducing dependence on fossil fuels and resisting climate change without buying into every "green" proposal. The key difference between Biden and Trump is that Biden accepts the fact of climate change and global warming, and Trump doesn't. Nowhere close to "the same."

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OK, I like to think I'm fairly astute, but you have to explain this one.
Sorry to say . . .

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I loved how the final image was a split screen -- Trump scowling, and Biden smiling.
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OK, I like to think I'm fairly astute, but you have to explain this one.

She just died.
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OK, I like to think I'm fairly astute, but you have to explain this one.
You probably don't remember her. She was a feminist icon in the 70s with her song "I am woman." She passed away today. She was 78.
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I loved how the final image was a split screen -- Trump scowling, and Biden smiling.
The whole damn debate was a split screen here. Maybe you saw something different?
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You probably don't remember her. She was a feminist icon in the 70s with her song "I am woman." She passed away today. She was 78.
I was ninja'd.
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I have the feeling that song will make a prominent resurgence in the next few days, and hang on for at least five weeks or so.
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You must have watched a different debate than I did.
I don't think so. Biden didn't bring the heat, even when he was making some cutting remarks, he came across as a milquetoast, he fumbled his words (beyond his stutter) and spoke in generalities. He also didn't cite enough sources on most issues.
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The whole damn debate was a split screen here. Maybe you saw something different?
I was addressing the images and their own perceived result of the debate, not the damn screen format.
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You probably don't remember her. She was a feminist icon in the 70s with her song "I am woman." She passed away today. She was 78.
I'm old enough. I actually saw her live (as an opening act). I hadn't heard.
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
Likely he meant Portland Police Chief Chuck Lovell (Who supports President Trump). Since Portland does not have a Sheriff in charge of their local police force this should be easy to understand. But yes this small mixup will undoubtedly be seen as scandalous of course. Victory! Trump lied!
That was the least offensive of his lies.
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
I was addressing the images and their own perceived result of the debate, not the damn screen format.
Fair enough - but how would I know that?
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