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Old 2nd October 2020, 12:23 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by autumn1971 View Post
Good. Hope he dies slowly and painfully
No.

Just no.

No matter how horrible he is. No matter that, in a sane, rational world, he’d be found to be a mass murderer just like al-Assad, Putin, Kim JungIl, or Xi JinPing, no one should wish him death by COVID-19.
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Old 2nd October 2020, 12:26 AM   #122
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
But that would be devastating for his sycophants who don't believe they need to worry. And that spreads to the rest of us.
I think two weeks quarantine without golf will feel like months for him.
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Old 2nd October 2020, 12:29 AM   #123
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
It's not hard to believe at all, considering his previous comments about The PDJT's "excellent" health.
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That was a different guy, Ronny Jackson. Sean Conley replaced him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronny_Jackson
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Old 2nd October 2020, 12:30 AM   #124
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/air...of-sars-cov-2/
(Steven Novella)

Yeah, I'm thinking there's fairly high chance that Trump might have spread it to Biden, given that neither was wearing a mask and Trump was talking in a raised voice a lot. Fingers crossed that didn't happen, but it's certainly a possibility at this point.
I think the chance is a lot lower than you think, for two reasons.

Firstly, the podiums that each spoke at were at least 4-5 meters apart, far more than the 6 feet (2m) suggestion.

And secondly, it takes time to become infectious, several days. The likelihood is that he's not even infectious yet. He had to take a test prior to the debate, so his exposure was between that test and this new one meaning that he was very unlikely to have been in a position to spread the virus on the stage, even if he had actually be exposed to it and had it in his system at the time.
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Old 2nd October 2020, 12:32 AM   #125
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According to CNN, it was known early Thursday morning that Hope Hicks tested positive and still Trump did an indoor fundraiser in NJ and his press secretary held the press briefing, without wearing a mask without letting any of the press in that room know that she was in close contact with Hicks.
Someone has some explaining to do.
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Old 2nd October 2020, 12:32 AM   #126
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I think two weeks quarantine without golf will feel like months for him.
What if he quarantines on a golf course?
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Old 2nd October 2020, 12:40 AM   #127
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
What if he quarantines on a golf course?
A tent on the golf course and decree by twitter. What's not to like?
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Old 2nd October 2020, 12:40 AM   #128
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
It's not hard to believe at all, considering his previous comments about The PDJT's "excellent" health.

If it is a conspiracy, it's a pretty elaborate one. Having to kick it off with the Hicks announcement, and then bringing the FLOTUS into it, and being backed up by the doctor is pretty broad. CNN is trying to figure out the puzzling timeline between the Hicks announcement and The PDJT's.

I heard a clip of Trump's latest evening interview with Hannity -- he seemed rather apathetic about his needing to be tested and waiting for the results at that very time.
Here's the other reason I really don't think it's a hoax. There is no way Melania would ever go along with having to spend 14 days alone with her husband.
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Old 2nd October 2020, 12:41 AM   #129
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Here's the big question: What will all the Trumpers who think the whole thing is a hoax believe?
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Old 2nd October 2020, 12:41 AM   #130
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Here's the other reason I really don't think it's a hoax. There is no way Melania would ever go along with having to spend 14 days alone with her husband.
Unless she quarantines separately, that way she gets a two week break from him
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Old 2nd October 2020, 12:45 AM   #131
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Here's the other reason I really don't think it's a hoax. There is no way Melania would ever go along with having to spend 14 days alone with her husband.
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Old 2nd October 2020, 12:48 AM   #132
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
The best case scenario for the country is he survives after suffering serious illness and becomes a COVID-19 long hauler. If he's asymptomatic, it will just encourage the Trumptrash out there to not wear masks or be socially distant. If he dies, the country never gets to redeem itself for his presidency.
I wouldn't actually be at all surprised if Trump dies, and STILL gets frigging elected.


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100 years into the future, a history teacher will say to her class, "And 2020 was the year both candidates for President caught coronavirus and died with a month left before the election...

This is 2020, it could happen.

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At least we've heard the last of the "COVID-19 is a hoax!"
The usual suspects on my Facebook feed are going with "Kung Flu!" (they'll resurrect the idea it is a Chinese bioweapon).

But, yeah, although there were no hand shakes, and they entered and exited on opposite sides of the stage, I wouldn't be that surprised if Trump projected his spittle clear across to Biden.
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Old 2nd October 2020, 12:50 AM   #133
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Also, it isn’t only liar, liar, pants on fire bone spurs Donnie who has COVID; FLOTUS too, Hope Hicks, and very likely many WH staff. I haven’t done a calculation yet, but all those and those yet to be infected by Patient Zero, I’d be surprised if the expected number of deaths is less than dozens.

Should that be the future, those would be yet more pointless, totally avoidable deaths to add to the “mass murderer” charge sheet.
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What's this all about! COVID-19 is a hoax, isn't it? No worries! This is all part of his 3678934-dimensional chess game to troll the Libs, yeah?
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Old 2nd October 2020, 12:52 AM   #135
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Would it be asking too much for McConnell to have caught it, too?
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Old 2nd October 2020, 12:55 AM   #136
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Here's the big question: What will all the Trumpers who think the whole thing is a hoax believe?
It was 5G!
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Old 2nd October 2020, 12:56 AM   #137
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I think the chance is a lot lower than you think, for two reasons.

Firstly, the podiums that each spoke at were at least 4-5 meters apart, far more than the 6 feet (2m) suggestion.

And secondly, it takes time to become infectious, several days. The likelihood is that he's not even infectious yet. He had to take a test prior to the debate, so his exposure was between that test and this new one meaning that he was very unlikely to have been in a position to spread the virus on the stage, even if he had actually be exposed to it and had it in his system at the time.
Hope you're right. As far as the distance though, I don't know. If airborne transmission happens then it could travel 4-5 meters. The bit I highlighted says that "social distancing alone is not adequate to prevent indoor spread". I guess we'll find out eventually.

The rate at which it's spreading in America makes me think that the normal recommended precautions are not adequate. Either that or people are ignoring them.
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Old 2nd October 2020, 01:02 AM   #138
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As much as he would deserve that slow and painful death to "the Ghina virus that's no worse than the flu", I too would like him to survive to face consequences for his actions. I suppose it may be too much to hope for that he goes to jail, but a defeat in November he can't cheat his way out of would serve him right. That, and him living to see the personal bankruptcy he might be facing.
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Old 2nd October 2020, 01:03 AM   #139
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My not really serious conspiracy theory which is mine is that Trump's positive test was rigged by his staff to keep him away from the next debate and any rallies he had organised.

They realise that, while Trump's performance at these plays well to his base (who will vote for him even if he kills two hundred thousand people on Fifth Avenue), they do not look good to anybody who has not yet drunk the chloroquine. Also, rallies are expensive and the Trump Campaign has very little money.
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Old 2nd October 2020, 01:03 AM   #140
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
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The rate at which it's spreading in America makes me think that the normal recommended precautions are not adequate. Either that or people are ignoring them.


That's exactly what's happening, especially when Trump says don't wear masks, don't shut down, it's all gonna go away.
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According to a new study from Cornell University, President Donald Trump is the world’s biggest spreader of coronavirus misinformation.

Nearly 38 percent of the “misinformation conversation” began with Trump doing things such as promoting unproven “miracle cures” for Covid-19 or claiming with zero evidence that the pandemic was a “Democratic Party hoax” aimed at derailing his presidency, the researchers from the Cornell Alliance for Science found.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ys/ar-BB19CesT

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Old 2nd October 2020, 01:04 AM   #141
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Would it be asking too much for McConnell to have caught it, too?
Mark Meadows was with Moscow Mitch this week.

As amusing as Trump's suffering is, through massive irresponsibility and stupidity, the Trump Administration has managed to expose most of the presidential line of succession to COVID-19.
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Here's the other reason I really don't think it's a hoax. There is no way Melania would ever go along with having to spend 14 days alone with her husband.
The idea that it's a hoax is not credible. It would suffer from the same problem that every conspiracy theory suffers from. There would be too many people who knew about it to keep it a secret.

However, just to be sure, I think the media should demand a printed copy of the test results.

The long form test results.
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Best case scenario, he gets ill enough to realise it actually affects people and subsequently behaves in a way that actually helps to suppress the spread in the US as opposed to his current absolute lack of concern.
Boris Johnson nearly died, and when he addressed the nation after getting out of hospital you could see genuine humanity and humility. Yet nothing has changed. If anything, it's got worse.

Trump's worse than Johnson, so I wouldn't lay money on this option, if I were you.
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Nice touch.
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Hope you're right. As far as the distance though, I don't know. If airborne transmission happens then it could travel 4-5 meters. The bit I highlighted says that "social distancing alone is not adequate to prevent indoor spread". I guess we'll find out eventually.

The rate at which it's spreading in America makes me think that the normal recommended precautions are not adequate. Either that or people are ignoring them.
Now, what makes you think that?

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Trump's worse than Johnson
I’m not sure. Line ball.
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Who will president Pence choose as his VP?
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Who will president Pence choose as his VP?
Ivanka.
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The idea that it's a hoax is not credible. It would suffer from the same problem that every conspiracy theory suffers from. There would be too many people who knew about it to keep it a secret.



However, just to be sure, I think the media should demand a printed copy of the test results.



The long form test results.
I heard trump hired some kid to take the test for him....

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Ivanka.
No, he wouldn't be able to be alone in the same room with her. He'd make Mother his VP. More convenient.
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I wouldn't be that surprised if Trump projected his spittle clear across to Biden.
Spittle? I think bile.
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So does this mean Trump stopped taking his daily dose of hydroxychloroquine?

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...and she nominates a Supreme Court justice.
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Wow, what a coincidence first person in the world to get the real China virus is the POTUS!
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Imagine if both Trump and Pence go onto ventilators, making Pelosi acting president for a few days...

...and she nominates a Supreme Court justice.

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Who in here is thinking, just for second, that it might be just a stunt?

Him getting through this without any health problems would surely give him a boost and would also divert any other headlines for some weeks.
I thought exactly this. I expect him to emerge just in time for the second debate saying "See, Covid-19 is nothing. It was nothing but the sniffles".
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Mrs Don questions whether they have.

What better way to get sympathy and prove that it's not serious?

"Recovery" in days saying good genes...

Edited to add.......

And what a way to avoid debates
That was my thinking too. Easy to do. Until I see anything credible (and nothing this WH says is without supporting evidence) I'm reserving judgement.
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I can see this negatively impacting treatment and preventative measures if Trump is asymptomatic, as this will be how he will think about it, the ultimate "I'm alright Jack".
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Originally Posted by timhau View Post
Even a stiff prison term might make him a martyr. I'd rather just have him bankrupt and living on a lender-approved allowance like in the 1990s - but this time one that would just barely support a middle-class lifestyle. Including barber-hairdressers who don't make anywhere near $70k a year.
But how would we tell the difference?
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