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Old 7th October 2020, 02:59 PM   #1
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Pence Vs Harris

With Trump tanking in the polls in key states, this one might be fun....Harris should be able to wipe the floor with Pence especially given the Trump administration's problems. The problem with Pence is he can't just go full Trump, but he can hardly defend Trump's actions without looking like a moron. Trump can somehow get away with acting like a moron most of the time (though he seems to be testing even some of the GOP die hard base right now with some of his antics reckless endangerment of his staff).

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Old 7th October 2020, 03:19 PM   #2
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He will just continually change the subject and he will be fine.
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Old 7th October 2020, 03:47 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
With Trump tanking in the polls in key states, this one might be fun....Harris should be able to wipe the floor with Pence especially given the Trump administration's problems.
I made the comment in a few places yesterday that it should be an enormous victory to Harris. A stupid old white evangelical homophobe bloke against a determined, extremely intelligent and fired-up woman.

I might even try to watch it. Should be a merciless beating so bad that Pence might get some sympathy votes.
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She will go after Trump, and maybe Pence regarding the Coronavirus task force. And she will make Pence defend Trump and he will look like the fawning sycophant he is.

Mark Kelly did that with Martha McSally in their debate last night. The headlines this morning were that she danced around her support of Trump.
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Old 7th October 2020, 03:54 PM   #5
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Looking forward to seeing Harris in action, and to watching an actual, real debate, between two normally functioning adults.
I wonder if Pence brings Mother. I hear he's uncomfortable around women who aren't his wife.

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Oh, and I'm looking forward to Twitter Trump desperately trying to make it all about him, while under the influence of corona and whatever drugs he's currently taking.
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Old 7th October 2020, 04:01 PM   #6
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they are starting to see wha ta a liability Trump is to their own election hopes
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Old 7th October 2020, 04:04 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
She will go after Trump, and maybe Pence regarding the Coronavirus task force. And she will make Pence defend Trump and he will look like the fawning sycophant he is.

Mark Kelly did that with Martha McSally in their debate last night. The headlines this morning were that she danced around her support of Trump.
Yeah, that really should be the strategy everywhere. Make them justify their support of their Psychopath-in-Chief. Trump gets away with it because he is utterly impervious to shame. These people such as Pence and some of the downballot candidates are not - or not entirely. They know, deep down, that their man is a dangerous and selfish lunatic. Make them spend an hour and a half destroying their reputations on the stage defending him.
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Which one I would prefer is already settled because, no matter how bad she might turn out to be, at least she doesn't make membership in a torture cult the big defining thing in her life, which makes her better than anybody who does. But it's still the more interesting debate for two reasons. First, neither participant this time is a cross between a third-world dictator, a dementia patient, a raving maniac, an inept clueless fop, a spoiled toddler trying to pretend to be like a grown-up, and a coked-up orange baboon. And second, I gather that Harris has some lefty credentials from before her Presidential campaign, but that clashes with her behavior during the campaign and the fact that she got picked for VP by a Republican in disguise, so I'll be watching for clues to how serious she is about this shift to the right.

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Thom Hartmann predicts that Pence will attack Harris on things that she's said, out of context, and try to twist what Harris is running on and twist who Harris is. He will lie through his teeth and do it with a smile on his face and a calm demeanor.
He is like the Terminator of politicians. Nothing will stop him from destroying Trump's enemies. Not facts, not morality, not ethics... nothing.
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Thom Hartmann predicts that Pence will try to attack Harris on things that she's said...
(FTFY)

And fail miserably.
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Old 7th October 2020, 05:54 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
I made the comment in a few places yesterday that it should be an enormous victory to Harris. A stupid old white evangelical homophobe bloke against a determined, extremely intelligent and fired-up woman.

I might even try to watch it. Should be a merciless beating so bad that Pence might get some sympathy votes.
Pete Buttigieg says don't underestimate fellow Hoosier Pence's debate skills.

Should be interesting.
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K is laying out what T did wrong. P is just shaking his head.
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P Lie #1: Stopped all travel from China
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Old 7th October 2020, 06:04 PM   #14
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Wasn't the Biden plagiarism thing in like 1988?
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Oh,...K just put P in his place. You go girl
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Trump didn't shut down the economy, the governors did.
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Wasn't the Biden plagiarism thing in like 1988?
The Democrats and the KKK was in 1920, yet I see trumpkins throw that out from time to time. Making sense and being reasonable was never important to them.
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Ugg, she just HAD to open with a mini-speech containing "Here's the thing" in her very first answer. How low our standards have sunk, that we can't even insist on such a bare minimal standard as not saying "Here's the thing"...
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Is Pence shaking his head 'yes' when he lies, and 'no' when he tells the truth?
Maybe I'm seeing things.
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Slimy Pence pushing the anti-big government talking points hard.
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Pence is lying that H is undermining the vaccine. She said she would take it if the DOCTORS ok's it, but not if TRUMP did.

Pence won't follow the rules anymore than Trump did.
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Pence’s first answer, touting Trump’s performance in managing the virus response was amazing.* Wow.**



*Trump’s ass must taste like the finest of French cuisine.
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Pence breaking the rules of the debate already.

It's supposed to be 9 sections 10 minutes long, with each section 2 mins each then arguments.

He started the third question by going back to the second question.
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I think Harris hit a nerve. Pence is talking about the swine flu response now!
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Pence shut the **** up .

Don't give him any extra time for the presidential safeguard question.
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Question 3 is about if there is a succession plan if Biden or Trump die.

Pence talked about Question 2, the Trump coronavirus response, and didn't answer the question.

Harris is giving her life achievements to give viewers confidence in her ability to take over as president in the event of Biden's death.
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Pence certainly didn't want to answer that question.
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This debate is (predictably) no where near as "memetic" as the Trump/Biden one, but I am reminded how... shudder inducingly wrong and creepy it is to hear Trump's unhinged rantings being sycophantically repeated in a calmer tone.
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Klunky transition from Harris, asked about presidential health transparency, to pivot almost immediately to Trump’s taxes.
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“Senator Harris, stop playing politics with people’s lives.”

The funniest thing Mike Pense, VP to Donald Trump, has ever said.
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Question 4 is about why Trump's entourage haven't given detailed information about his health and his healthcare. Do voters have a right to know?

Pence says the care was "exceptional" and he was grateful for everyone's support. Thanks Biden. Thanks Harris for her phone call.

Harris. Yes, voters have a right to know about Trump's health and healthcare. Starts saying why we don't know about his taxes. The American people have a right to know what influences his decisions. Says Joe Biden is honest and upfront.

Pence says Trump has paid millions in taxes and releases stacks of financial disclosures.
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He just dances around the questions without answering them
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He's as greasy as Trump. He reminds me of a televangelist who tries to come across as so caring and sincere while trying to get you to send in your money so he can care for the poor starving kids in Africa when what he really wants in a new airplane.
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Kamala's not really going for the juglar is she.

She could easily do better.

Pence is waffling about how (in relation to his garden party) he says "we trust the American people to make the right decisions".

Kamala could have said, "Yes, I trust the American people, but we don't trust YOU! Don't blame the American people for your reckless privileged garden party, that is your mistake, and I trust the American people to punish you for it!"
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He just dances around the questions without answering them
Mayor Pete was spot on. Pence is slick and shameless.
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Also, the potted history about how I was the first black senator to blah blah blah is not going to win votes. Nobody cares! The goal is to expose Pence as the sychopantic lackey for a crazy king.
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"I'm speaking..." then she lets Pence talk. No, just keep talking.
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Kamala's not really going for the juglar is she.

She could easily do better.

Pence is waffling about how (in relation to his garden party) he says "we trust the American people to make the right decisions".

Kamala could have said, "Yes, I trust the American people, but we don't trust YOU! Don't blame the American people for your reckless privileged garden party, that is your mistake, and I trust the American people to punish you for it!"
She sounds like she has no momentum at all. She sounds slow and a bit unfocused.
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Harris knows she's fighting the "Angry black woman" stereotype. She's not going to start screaming.
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Next question: Jobs and economy. Would raising taxes put the recovery at risk?

Harris: Biden believes economy is measured by health and strength of workers and their families. Trump gave tax breaks to top 1%. Biden will invest in infrastructure and clean energy, innovation. More.


Pence: Economic recovery - Trump cut taxes because blue-collar incomes rose. Said Harris said Biden would raise "your taxes" on day 1 - she did not. More. "Biden will ban fracking and lose hundreds of thousands of jobs".

Harris shaking her head.

Pence scared of China.

Harris: "This is supposed to be a debate based on facts and truth." Biden will not raise taxes for those under 400K/yr. More. Biden will not end fracking. Healthcare.

Pence: Obamacare was a disaster. "Harris, you're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts". Said Biden would end fracking again.
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