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Old 9th October 2020, 02:10 PM   #201
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Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
Phase 1: Kidnap the governor
Phase 2: Take her to Wisconsin (for some reason) and try her for crimes of tyranny
Phase 3: ???
Phase 4: Profit
Reason is we have plenty of people here who would be sympathetic to their goal and would like to do the same to our Gov. Evers.
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Old 9th October 2020, 02:19 PM   #202
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
The lawyer, to the 13 other prisoners:

"I'm telling you man, it was a meritorious legal theory"
The flaw is that someone held in a citizen's arrest must be turned over the authorities. The "citizens" can't conduct a trial and impose punishment.
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Old 9th October 2020, 02:39 PM   #203
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
I think it better shows the dangers of overreaching your Constitutional powers.

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-go...ergency-powers

"Michigan Supreme Court rules Whitmer lacks COVID-19 emergency powers"

When she lost in Michigan Supreme Court that should have been the end of it. Unless she refused to abide by the Court's ruling then she should have been removed from office by the people.

There are many ways to remove a Governor from power though. Ridiculous that anyone would even consider "kidnapping" a Government Official.
What else can you expect from a bunch of scummy Trumptrash? Everyone knows their kind aren't real Americans. They don't respect American values. This is exactly what I expect from Trump supporters, disloyalty to their nation.
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Old 9th October 2020, 02:54 PM   #204
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Anti government right wing anarchists. Also anti Trump. He's basically an ANTIFA type that is a red neck.

in this case these guys hate cops and all government including trump. They are not right wingers.
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Old 9th October 2020, 02:57 PM   #205
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"Some expressed anti-vaccine sentiments, while Croft, portrayed by the FBI as another ringleader of the group, tweeted that liberals should be hung in order to “make America great again.”

On Twitter, Fox frequently used language that hinted at possible violence, tweeting to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, both Democrats, on May 29, 2018: “we’re coming from you” and “we’re coming for all of you.” He also demonstrated his support for President Donald Trump, tweeting in May 2018 that “Trump’s a winner and the US will continue to win under real leadership!!”

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...er-kidnap-plot
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Old 9th October 2020, 03:04 PM   #206
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Originally Posted by TheRealnz View Post
Anti government right wing anarchists. Also anti Trump. He's basically an ANTIFA type that is a red neck.

in this case these guys hate cops and all government including trump. They are not right wingers.
I think you gave me whiplash.
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Old 9th October 2020, 03:07 PM   #207
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Originally Posted by jerrywayne View Post
"Some expressed anti-vaccine sentiments, while Croft, portrayed by the FBI as another ringleader of the group, tweeted that liberals should be hung in order to “make America great again.”

On Twitter, Fox frequently used language that hinted at possible violence, tweeting to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, both Democrats, on May 29, 2018: “we’re coming from you” and “we’re coming for all of you.” He also demonstrated his support for President Donald Trump, tweeting in May 2018 that “Trump’s a winner and the US will continue to win under real leadership!!”

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...er-kidnap-plot
Oh, dear. Ziggurat is going to be very disappointed.
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Old 9th October 2020, 03:09 PM   #208
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Oh, dear. Ziggurat is going to be very disappointed.
Place your bets.

- Silence
- "Whatabbouta..."
- "LOOK OVER THERE A SQUIRREL!"
- Denial
- Nitpick
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Old 9th October 2020, 03:34 PM   #209
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Originally Posted by rockinkt View Post
Nobody in their right mind could possibly think that 13 people could carry out a ridiculous plan to kidnap a governor and take her to another state for a trial.
Ahem, just eleven managed to kidnap a former Prime Minister...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Aldo_Moro

and three people, two of them teenagers, managed to kidnap and murder a former New Jersey Assemblyman...

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/08/n...llionaire.html
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Old 9th October 2020, 03:39 PM   #210
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Place your bets.

- Silence
- "Whatabbouta..."
- "LOOK OVER THERE A SQUIRREL!"
- Denial
- Nitpick

That about covers it... are you giving odds on win, place & show?
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Old 9th October 2020, 03:47 PM   #211
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Originally Posted by jerrywayne View Post
"Some expressed anti-vaccine sentiments, while Croft, portrayed by the FBI as another ringleader of the group, tweeted that liberals should be hung in order to “make America great again.”

On Twitter, Fox frequently used language that hinted at possible violence, tweeting to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, both Democrats, on May 29, 2018: “we’re coming from you” and “we’re coming for all of you.” He also demonstrated his support for President Donald Trump, tweeting in May 2018 that “Trump’s a winner and the US will continue to win under real leadership!!”

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...er-kidnap-plot
Five pages in before somebody actually presents evidence. Well done, jerry. Everyone else, that's how you do it.
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Old 9th October 2020, 04:01 PM   #212
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Five pages in before somebody actually presents evidence. Well done, jerry. Everyone else, that's how you do it.
So you think it's likely there isn't adequate evidence? Should the FBI have waited until after they carried out their actions?
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Old 9th October 2020, 04:02 PM   #213
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Place your bets.

- Silence
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- Denial
- Nitpick
Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Five pages in before somebody actually presents evidence. Well done, jerry. Everyone else, that's how you do it.
And it's a 50/50 split between denial and nitpick.
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Old 9th October 2020, 04:08 PM   #214
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Ahem, just eleven managed to kidnap a former Prime Minister...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Aldo_Moro
Seriously? Are you trying to compare the security of 1978 Italy and the training, organization, experience, and political commitment of Red Brigade Terrorists to the security around a US governor in 2020 United States and a bunch of loosely organized rednecks who don't even have the wherewithal to remain anonymous?


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and three people, two of them teenagers, managed to kidnap and murder a former New Jersey assemblyman...

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/08/n...llionaire.html
Comparing the heavy security around a serving United States Governor in 2020 to the non-existent security around a former assemblyman whose 5 year prison sentence in 1974 ended his political career 23 years before he was kidnapped and murdered in a totally non-political extortion case is even more ludicrous!

Do you have any idea of what you are posting or do you just do a google search and cut and paste the first couple of hits you get?
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Old 9th October 2020, 04:08 PM   #215
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Five pages in before somebody actually presents evidence. Well done, jerry. Everyone else, that's how you do it.
I guess this from page 3 just wasn't adequate for you?

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A Michigan-based Pete Musico also has a Twitter account with a Tea Party-style “Don’t Tread On Me” banner as the profile image and a number of posts from 2016 voicing support for Trump and calling for the imprisonment of then-Democratic Party presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. It also includes unfounded allegations that former President Bill Clinton fathered an “illegitimate black child” and that vaccines contain dangerous levels of mercury. Another post urges his 14 followers to visit right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones’ site Infowars.
Let's hear the excuse for why this doesn't count as evidence for you that Musico is a Trumper. I'm all ears.
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Five pages in before somebody actually presents evidence. Well done, jerry. Everyone else, that's how you do it.
Multiple people had already done it. You ignored it. No one was surprised.

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Old 9th October 2020, 04:36 PM   #217
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Anti government right wing anarchists. Also anti Trump. He's basically an ANTIFA type that is a red neck.

in this case these guys hate cops and all government including trump. They are not right wingers.
Several of them support Trump and at least one of them is friendly with a local sheriff.
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Five pages in before somebody actually presents evidence. Well done, jerry. Everyone else, that's how you do it.
I'm calling this a dead-heat between "nitpick" and ""Whatabbouta..."!
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I'm calling this a dead-heat between "nitpick" and ""Whatabbouta..."!
I'm calling it "just plain false".
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Okay evidence has been presented to the critics' liking. End of discussion?
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Seriously? Are you trying to compare the security of 1978 Italy and the training, organization, experience, and political commitment of Red Brigade Terrorists to the security around a US governor in 2020 United States and a bunch of loosely organized rednecks who don't even have the wherewithal to remain anonymous?

Comparing the heavy security around a serving United States Governor in 2020 to the non-existent security around a former assemblyman whose 5 year prison sentence in 1974 ended his political career 23 years before he was kidnapped and murdered in a totally non-political extortion case is even more ludicrous!

Do you have any idea of what you are posting or do you just do a google search and cut and paste the first couple of hits you get?
No. I'm saying you should not be so dismissive of a threat like this.

Sure, they might be a bunch of dimwitted, anti-government ne'er do wells, but just one dimwitted, anti-government ne'er do well managed to take out a sitting POTUS! They could well have attempted to kidnap her, but if things went awry, they could simply have killed her.
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Old 9th October 2020, 05:27 PM   #222
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No. I'm saying you should not be so dismissive of a threat like this.

Sure, they might be a bunch of dimwitted, anti-government ne'er do wells, but just one dimwitted, anti-government ne'er do well managed to take out a sitting POTUS! They could well have attempted to kidnap her, but if things went awry, they could simply have killed her.


You have taken my original post and corrupted it to fit some sort of personal agenda.
I never said they were not dangerous. I never said that they couldn't kill anybody. I never said that we shouldn't take such idiots seriously. I never said that they shouldn't be charged.
I did say I questioned their personal commitment (basically a suicide mission) and ability to carry out their entire plan which was to kidnap a current governor of the US and take her to another state where they would hold her and put her on some sort of drumhead trial.
I also said that if the facts as reported are true - they are guilty of conspiracy.
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Old 9th October 2020, 06:29 PM   #223
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Which makes him no different from all the other "Not a Trump supporter" Trump supporters.

Like I've said multiples times in politics there is zero difference between support and running apologetic interference for.
Just voted for Biden tonight, by the way.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...f1a_story.html

“One of alleged plotters, 23-year-old Daniel Harris, attended a Black Lives Matter protest in June, telling the Oakland County Times he was upset about the killing of George Floyd and police violence.”
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You have taken my original post and corrupted it to fit some sort of personal agenda.
Calm down!

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I never said they were not dangerous. I never said that they couldn't kill anybody. I never said that we shouldn't take such idiots seriously. I never said that they shouldn't be charged.
I did say I questioned their personal commitment (basically a suicide mission) and ability to carry out their entire plan which was to kidnap a current governor of the US and take her to another state where they would hold her and put her on some sort of drumhead trial.
I also said that if the facts as reported are true - they are guilty of conspiracy.
Yeah, all those things you "never said", well, you never said them, so all I could do was take your post at face value. I was simply trying to point what I considered to be a flaw in your thinking, which came across as 'there were only 13 of them so they have to be dumb to think they had a chance of pulling it off'
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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma View Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...f1a_story.html

“One of alleged plotters, 23-year-old Daniel Harris, attended a Black Lives Matter protest in June, telling the Oakland County Times he was upset about the killing of George Floyd and police violence.”
And?
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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma View Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...f1a_story.html

“One of alleged plotters, 23-year-old Daniel Harris, attended a Black Lives Matter protest in June, telling the Oakland County Times he was upset about the killing of George Floyd and police violence.”

It's not surprising to me that some of these people would be upset by police killings of unarmed citizens. People sometimes draw from different political and social pools to shape or confirm their worldview.

But how influential do you actually think BLM was in inspiring takeover and dismantling of the government? Is Obama encouraging them or ignoring the violence they commit?
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Seriously? Are you trying to compare the security of 1978 Italy and the training, organization, experience, and political commitment of Red Brigade Terrorists to the security around a US governor in 2020 United States and a bunch of loosely organized rednecks who don't even have the wherewithal to remain anonymous?
.....

How much security do you think there is around a typical governor? I'm sure they've got some state troopers, but it's not anything comparable to a president, and not likely to be a large enough team that a heavily armed bunch of loons couldn't overpower. You may have noted that this particular bunch planned to blow up a bridge to keep police from responding.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Ahem, just eleven managed to kidnap a former Prime Minister...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Aldo_Moro

and three people, two of them teenagers, managed to kidnap and murder a former New Jersey Assemblyman...

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/08/n...llionaire.html
ANyway, "No Harm,No Foul" does not apply to crminal consparicies.

And history is full of stupid and generally inept people who got lucky.
Who wold have though a failed Ham actor could kill a President Of the United States?
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How much security do you think there is around a typical governor? I'm sure they've got some state troopers, but it's not anything comparable to a president, and not likely to be a large enough team that a heavily armed bunch of loons couldn't overpower. You may have noted that this particular bunch planned to blow up a bridge to keep police from responding.
My guess is they are going to seriously upgrade protection in a few states at least until the election is over.
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My guess is they are going to seriously upgrade protection in a few states at least until the election is over.

As recently as March, Gov. Whitmer's official residence was apparently guarded by one trooper, who couldn't keep his own car from being broken into. Not quite comparable to the Secret Service or Scotland Yard.
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LANSING — Michigan State Police are reviewing security protocol for the governor's residence after a man was charged with stealing property from two vehicles at the residence, a robbery that did not catch the attention of the trooper guarding the Lansing home at the time.
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Calm down!



Yeah, all those things you "never said", well, you never said them, so all I could do was take your post at face value. I was simply trying to point what I considered to be a flaw in your thinking, which came across as 'there were only 13 of them so they have to be dumb to think they had a chance of pulling it off'

You did not fully read my post if that was what you got from it.
Your statements and links to spurious examples as shown in your replies to my posts further demonstrate what appears to be an incredibly weak ability to read and comprehend. I suggest a course in remedial reading may be of benefit to you.

You haven't even acknowledged your links were so far removed from the logistics and targets that were under discussion they might as well have been written about baseball.

Let's see...an apparent inability to comprehend the written word.
A demonstrated inability to research and come up with examples that are even remotely on topic.
A refusal to admit obvious errors.
You're not my old grade 10 History teacher are you?
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Old 9th October 2020, 08:33 PM   #233
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"Life comes at you fast"

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Old 9th October 2020, 09:35 PM   #234
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Originally Posted by rockinkt View Post
You did not fully read my post if that was what you got from it.
Your statements and links to spurious examples as shown in your replies to my posts further demonstrate what appears to be an incredibly weak ability to read and comprehend. I suggest a course in remedial reading may be of benefit to you.

You haven't even acknowledged your links were so far removed from the logistics and targets that were under discussion they might as well have been written about baseball.

Let's see...an apparent inability to comprehend the written word.
A demonstrated inability to research and come up with examples that are even remotely on topic.
A refusal to admit obvious errors.
You're not my old grade 10 History teacher are you?
Go take a chill pill dude. You are grossly overreacting.
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Old 9th October 2020, 09:38 PM   #235
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
ANyway, "No Harm,No Foul" does not apply to crminal consparicies.

And history is full of stupid and generally inept people who got lucky.
Who wold have though a failed Ham actor could kill a President Of the United States?
And a wannabe Soviet spy could kill another POTUS.
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Old 10th October 2020, 12:11 AM   #236
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...f1a_story.html

“One of alleged plotters, 23-year-old Daniel Harris, attended a Black Lives Matter protest in June, telling the Oakland County Times he was upset about the killing of George Floyd and police violence.”
And?
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
ANyway, "No Harm,No Foul" does not apply to crminal consparicies.

And history is full of stupid and generally inept people who got lucky.
Who wold have though a failed Ham actor could kill a President Of the United States?
For that matter, who would have thought 11 people could kill 3000 people in a single terrorist attack? Granted, security was lax on 9/11 and passengers and aircrew were trained and conditioned to submit to hijackers, but still.

Let's say those 13 people in Michigan did try something. You've now got 13 heavily armed men attempting an act of political terrorism. Even if they were stopped, or never got near the governour, they could still do considerable damage, even if it's only to law enforcers or even innocent bystanders.
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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma View Post
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“One of alleged plotters, 23-year-old Daniel Harris, attended a Black Lives Matter protest in June, telling the Oakland County Times he was upset about the killing of George Floyd and police violence.”
And then he threw in with police-friendly Trump supporters to carry out a right wing terrorist plot. Life is strange sometimes.
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
And then he threw in with police-friendly Trump supporters to carry out a right wing terrorist plot. Life is strange sometimes.
Not that strange. If a right wing agitator is attempting to corrupt a left-leaning protest and is approached by a reporter, s/he is obviously going to lie about the reason for their presence.
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...or he just generally hates people and wants to get violent and doesn't give a fat rats ass about the political justification.
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