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Old 16th October 2020, 03:08 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
The difference is, Biden actually explained why he won't give a clear answer, and his explanation is actually pretty reasonable.
A. he wants a smoking gun..an actual outrageous Supreme Court decision before pulling the trigger.
> He hopes..if the Dems take the Senate..that the mere threat of packing the court might make the Supreme Court modify it's rulings...which is what happened back in 1937.
I think increasing the number of seats on the Supreme court is a last resort;I relly don't like it much myself.
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Old 16th October 2020, 03:28 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by Firestone View Post
More people watched Biden on ABC than Trump on NBC, MSNBC and CNBC.
Well, I think that surprised almost everybody! You know The PDJT would have been Tweet gloating about it if it were the other way around.
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Old 16th October 2020, 03:31 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
A. he wants a smoking gun..an actual outrageous Supreme Court decision before pulling the trigger.
> He hopes..if the Dems take the Senate..that the mere threat of packing the court might make the Supreme Court modify it's rulings...which is what happened back in 1937.
I think increasing the number of seats on the Supreme court is a last resort;I relly don't like it much myself.
You may have been on hiatus when I floated my clever(?) concept. Alas, it gained zero traction. People think I'm joking but I'm not.

The problem with packing the court is, the day will come when it bites you in the ass. My proposal: Add all registered voters to the court. Every damn one. It swings the court left, with a veneer of fairness. And it can't easily be trumped.

The threat of this action alone might bring about reforms. But you must mean business, be ready to follow through.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
He is, in fact, Mary Trump's crazy uncle!
Who immediately tweeted... "Actually..."
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Their main defense is that, having won a Senate majority in the midterms of 2014 (and "expanded" in 2018), and the White House in 2016, they were speaking with the voice of the people in having blocked Garland's nomination in 2016 and are now in bulling through with Barrett's (apparently because waiting to hear that voice this year might result in something they don't want to hear). So Biden could make the case, if he wins the Presidency and the Democrats retake the Senate (and possibly "expand" their House majority), that he's entitled by that voice to redress the Court's ideological balance. I don't particularly like that argument, since, for one, I don't think America really does support it, and, two, it's too much like playing the GOP's Calvinball game with the Court (and Constitution)- but it would certainly seem valid by the Republicans' standard of shifting standards.

Also, as I've said before, even if he loses, but Democrats take the Senate, then, by the GOP's own argument (that a lame-duck President facing a Senate majority of the opposite party should expect that party, enabled by the recently-heard voice of the people, to exercise the right by it to block his nominations), Trump gets no SC noms passed for at least two years. If Trump is re-elected, he will be a lame-duck from the day he's sworn in- I don't know why he'd think he should get any more consideration from Democrats during his last four years than Obama was entitled to during his last two.

All this could be avoided if the "Constitutional originalists" (i.e., the GOP pretend-version) wouldn't insist that a document that, after all, doesn't mention parties (and certainly Washington, at least, was against the concept), is one of the strong legs they stand on. How about we go by what the thing says? President nominates based on qualifications, Senate says yea or nay based on same. I know, I know- "advise and consent." I suppose that could be interpreted to mean "block completely without even hearing a case" or "ram through based on party strength alone, no other case necessary"- but it surely cannot have been the Founders' intention to make government a constant head-butting and dick-measuring contest like that.
Scalia, who Barrett clerked with, and who claimed to be an originalist, was only an originalist when it suited his far right beliefs. I posted examples, sources, and evidence that was the case in our discussions of Scalia before he died.
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Old 16th October 2020, 05:05 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
A. he wants a smoking gun..an actual outrageous Supreme Court decision before pulling the trigger.
> He hopes..if the Dems take the Senate..that the mere threat of packing the court might make the Supreme Court modify it's rulings...which is what happened back in 1937.
I think increasing the number of seats on the Supreme court is a last resort;I relly don't like it much myself.
I doubt the SCOTUS will concern themselves with a threat of Biden to add seats. Roberts is thought to have voted on the ACA in order to prevent the court looking political. He'll have his work cut out for him now.

Biden's between a rock and a hard place. If he campaigns that he'll fix the rigged court, he'll lose moderates and even GOP votes that are against Trump. If he says he won't do anything about the court, many of us will be disgusted he once again let the GOP walk all over us.

And he has to win the Senate. Threatening to add SCOTUS seats could easily cost some Senate seats.
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...er-asked-bide/

"A former Obama White House speechwriter was one of the questioners at Democrat Joe Biden’s town-hall event on ABC on Thursday night.

Nathan Osborn of Philadelphia, the former speechwriter in the Obama-Biden administration, asked Mr. Biden a question about a Democratic proposal to increase the number of justices on the Supreme Court."
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Who immediately tweeted... "Actually..."
Newsweek: Mary Trump Reacts to Savannah Guthrie's 'Crazy Uncle' Remark to President
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Mary Trump, who is a psychologist, responded with a one-word tweet: "Actually . . ."
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Fair enough. I didn't watch any of either but the tweet story made my newsfeed last night.
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More people watched Biden on ABC than Trump on NBC, MSNBC and CNBC.
The Biden Town Hall ran for 2 hours. President Trump's Town Hall ran for 1 hour.
Biden's Town Hall ended 1 hour after Trump's had ended. But yay, Biden is the winner! Very well thought out and scripted event.

It's not a stretch to guess that Trump's viewers switched the channel to view the "Love Fest" after watching the end of the President's event during which Savannah Guthrie was notably hostile to the President. Nothing scripted in President Trump's Town Hall.

And IMO that's exactly what he wanted voters to see.
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...er-asked-bide/

"A former Obama White House speechwriter was one of the questioners at Democrat Joe Biden’s town-hall event on ABC on Thursday night.

Nathan Osborn of Philadelphia, the former speechwriter in the Obama-Biden administration, asked Mr. Biden a question about a Democratic proposal to increase the number of justices on the Supreme Court."
Yeah, that's genuinely not appropriate. A town hall should be free of those who work in politics. It should have common folk asking the questions.

I don't agree with too much you write in this forum, but I agree on that point. No one who worked for the Obama administration (omitting career employees) really should be asking Biden questions at a town hall.
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The Biden Town Hall ran for 2 hours. President Trump's Town Hall ran for 1 hour.
Biden's Town Hall ended 1 hour after Trump's had ended. But yay, Biden is the winner! Very well thought out and scripted event.

It's not a stretch to guess that Trump's viewers switched the channel to view the "Love Fest" after watching the end of the President's event during which Savannah Guthrie was notably hostile to the President. Nothing scripted in President Trump's Town Hall.

And IMO that's exactly what he wanted voters to see.
Well, good for him, I s'pose. Voters saw him pretending not to know what QAnon is, but they're against pedos and so is Trump, so there's that. A masterful performance.
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
The Biden Town Hall ran for 2 hours. President Trump's Town Hall ran for 1 hour.
Biden's Town Hall ended 1 hour after Trump's had ended. But yay, Biden is the winner! Very well thought out and scripted event.

It's not a stretch to guess that Trump's viewers switched the channel to view the "Love Fest" after watching the end of the President's event during which Savannah Guthrie was notably hostile to the President. Nothing scripted in President Trump's Town Hall.

And IMO that's exactly what he wanted voters to see.
Nearly every question Trump received was a softball. Just because he can't answer a question about Qanon well doesn't mean the moderator wasn't pitching the slowest ball right across the plate.

He just sucks at the easy questions.

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Nearly every question Trump received was a softball. Just because he can't answer a question about Qanon well doesn't mean the moderator wasn't pitching the slowest ball right across the plate.

He just sucks at the easy questions.
I have to say, Bob has a point. Not too many world leaders would bungle an opportunity to discredit a ridiculous and harmful conspiracy theory like QAnon.
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I have to say, Bob has a point. Not too many world leaders would bungle an opportunity to discredit a ridiculous and harmful conspiracy theory like QAnon.
I could grab all the questions from the transcript. But going through it, I remember one of the first tough questions being when he last tested negative for COVID.
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Well, good for him, I s'pose. Voters saw him pretending not to know what QAnon is, but they're against pedos and so is Trump, so there's that. A masterful performance.
I think the master performance award should go to Savannah. The same undecided voters that watched how Savannah Guthrie did her number with the President also watched Stephanopoulos with "The Big Guy". Some may even consider the press seems a bit Left leaning and possibly their coverage may be as well. It adds to President Trump's credibility about his claims of a Liberal media.

If this wasn't part of Trump's plan, it should have been. This coupled with Biden not being able to answer about packing the Supreme Court. What a position. Now, no matter what he says he can only lose votes on the issue and remaining silent will cost him even more votes. Yikes.
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I think the master performance award should go to Savannah. The same undecided voters that watched how Savannah Guthrie did her number with the President also watched Stephanopoulos with "The Big Guy". Some may even consider the press seems a bit Left leaning and possibly their coverage may be as well. It adds to President Trump's credibility about his claims of a Liberal media.

If this wasn't part of Trump's plan, it should have been. This coupled with Biden not being able to answer about packing the Supreme Court. What a position. Now, no matter what he says he can only lose votes on the issue and remaining silent will cost him even more votes. Yikes.
Doesn't bother you, then, that the President claims neither he nor Savannah knows for sure whether there's a Deep State and Hollywood teamup involving Satanic pedophilia cult stuff? Your takeaway is that she was mean to ask him that?

Would you agree? Could be a Satanic worldwide cult adopting children for dastardly reasons, headed by powerful Democrats and Tom Hanks? A wise world leader will admit that he doesn't know for sure, right?

Okay. I took away a different opinion.
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Yeah, that's genuinely not appropriate. A town hall should be free of those who work in politics. It should have common folk asking the questions.

I don't agree with too much you write in this forum, but I agree on that point. No one who worked for the Obama administration (omitting career employees) really should be asking Biden questions at a town hall.
So he asked one question????

And you are seriously upset about that?

Did you watch the town hall with Biden?
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Doesn't bother you, then, that the President claims neither he nor Savannah knows for sure whether there's a Deep State and Hollywood teamup involving Satanic pedophilia cult stuff? Your takeaway is that she was mean to ask him that?

Would you agree? Could be a Satanic worldwide cult adopting children for dastardly reasons, headed by powerful Democrats and Tom Hanks? A wise world leader will admit that he doesn't know for sure, right?

Okay. I took away a different opinion.
It seemed to me that Savannah was extremely interested in making that group a talking point. I've never heard of them. Maybe you can fill me in on how they affect the economy, unemployment rates, covid-19, Foreign Policy, or taxes etc? As an American I'm just not that interested in weird little groups on the Far Left or Far Right who can have no effect on the outcome of the election.

Along with having the President once again disavow White Supremacy, (like she doesn't already know about his prior stance on Racism) it seems like the typical attacks from the Left. All straight out of the movie "Citizen Kane" They know he's not a racist but they just need to hear him deny it on camera. It's ridiculous, sophomoric and just plain bad taste. I welcome this sort of rude nonsense though as it only serves to sway voters. The Liberal Media is so confident that they're the smartest people in the room. I wonder if they ever consider they may be wrong? Not likely. And that's why there may be some long faces once again after this election.
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It seemed to me that Savannah was extremely interested in making that group a talking point. I've never heard of them. Maybe you can fill me in on how they affect the economy, unemployment rates, covid-19, Foreign Policy, or taxes etc? As an American I'm just not that interested in weird little groups on the Far Left or Far Right who can have no effect on the outcome of the election.

Along with having the President once again disavow White Supremacy, (like she doesn't already know about his prior stance on Racism) it seems like the typical attacks from the Left. All straight out of the movie "Citizen Kane" They know he's not a racist but they just need to hear him deny it on camera. It's ridiculous, sophomoric and just plain bad taste. I welcome this sort of rude nonsense though as it only serves to sway voters. The Liberal Media is so confident that they're the smartest people in the room. I wonder if they ever consider they may be wrong? Not likely. And that's why there may be some long faces once again after this election.
I KNOOOOOOOW! (in my best Sybil Fawlty voice) I just don't understand why the KKK, the Neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups endorse Trump!

And just why there was a 'C' on the top of those apartment rental applications by people of color that he was sued for by the state of NY....why...it must have stood for "Canadian"! And I'm sure the black employees being told to leave the floor of his casinos when he arrived was because it was really just time for their breaks. They like to have them together, ya know.
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I'm officially in love with Samantha Guthrie.

"You're not somebody's crazy uncle. You're the President."
That was the best line of the night.
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The Biden Town Hall ran for 2 hours. President Trump's Town Hall ran for 1 hour.
Biden's Town Hall ended 1 hour after Trump's had ended. But yay, Biden is the winner! Very well thought out and scripted event.

It's not a stretch to guess that Trump's viewers switched the channel to view the "Love Fest" after watching the end of the President's event during which Savannah Guthrie was notably hostile to the President. Nothing scripted in President Trump's Town Hall.

And IMO that's exactly what he wanted voters to see.
Good, that makes a Biden victory more likely and that's all that matters. Oh and your stupid ass president agreed to the time and format. If it was a set up, president dumb **** fell for it.
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It seemed to me that Savannah was extremely interested in making that group a talking point. I've never heard of them. Maybe you can fill me in on how they affect the economy, unemployment rates, covid-19, Foreign Policy, or taxes etc? As an American I'm just not that interested in weird little groups on the Far Left or Far Right who can have no effect on the outcome of the election.

Along with having the President once again disavow White Supremacy, (like she doesn't already know about his prior stance on Racism) it seems like the typical attacks from the Left. All straight out of the movie "Citizen Kane" They know he's not a racist but they just need to hear him deny it on camera. It's ridiculous, sophomoric and just plain bad taste. I welcome this sort of rude nonsense though as it only serves to sway voters. The Liberal Media is so confident that they're the smartest people in the room. I wonder if they ever consider they may be wrong? Not likely. And that's why there may be some long faces once again after this election.
Why wouldn't you confront an obvious and disgusting bigot about his racism during a town hall? He did call Nazis "very fine people". Seems to me like that question is fair game.
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Whiny snowflake conspiracy theorist defending whiny snowflake conspiracy theorist. How fitting.

I just knew time will be used as excuse for poor ratings (though no one forced Trump to have only one hour). Hilariously pathetic.

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It seemed to me that Savannah was extremely interested in making that group a talking point.
It is almost like your fuhrer likes to promote conspiracy drivel coming from, among other things, QAnon.

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I've never heard of them. (...) As an American I'm just not that interested in weird little groups on the Far Left or Far Right who can have no effect on the outcome of the election.
Pretty rich coming from conspiracy theorist. Frankly, I don't believe you never heard about QAnon until today.

Then again, maybe I am singling out this sentence unfairly. After all, anything that conspiracy theorist writes should be assumed to be lie until proven otherwise. That policy works well also against other nutjobs, religious extremists, far-x anything (republicans in particular).
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
It seemed to me that Savannah was extremely interested in making that group a talking point. I've never heard of them. Maybe you can fill me in on how they affect the economy, unemployment rates, covid-19, Foreign Policy, or taxes etc? As an American I'm just not that interested in weird little groups on the Far Left or Far Right who can have no effect on the outcome of the election.

Along with having the President once again disavow White Supremacy, (like she doesn't already know about his prior stance on Racism) it seems like the typical attacks from the Left. All straight out of the movie "Citizen Kane" They know he's not a racist but they just need to hear him deny it on camera. It's ridiculous, sophomoric and just plain bad taste. I welcome this sort of rude nonsense though as it only serves to sway voters. The Liberal Media is so confident that they're the smartest people in the room. I wonder if they ever consider they may be wrong? Not likely. And that's why there may be some long faces once again after this election.
Those are softballs! Rather than having to take a hard question about the finer points of incidence of taxation, all you have to do is disavow bad people. And yes, that involves doing a modicum of debate prep to know who the proud boys and Qanon are (the president should be as versed in politics as most people here).

ETA: not knowing the group makes the question easier. You can say you are not familiar, and that you will look into it, and get back to them.

He wasn't required to turn it into a challenge by making a half hearted defense of a group he supposedly knows little about. Again, just because he sucks doesn't mean the question was unfair.

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Old 17th October 2020, 06:25 AM   #67
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Interviewer: "You are the president of the United States. Leader of the free world. The most powerful man on the planet. When you speak, people listen. Can you denounce a bunch of wackadoodle conspiracy theorists?"

Trump: "Weeeeell, see, I don't really know much about them...."

I:"They claim the Democrats are a pedophile ring, and that you are their saviour..."

T *looks flattered*: "Oh they do? Oh well..."

I:"Crazy people, right?"

T:"I have no idea who they are..."

I:"I just told you..."

T: "Well, they are very strong against pedophiles so..."

I: "So that's a no, then? How about the crazy theory that you retweeted about Obama killing the Seals who killed Osama bin Laden?"

T: "Let's say about that one that I guess we'll never know..."

I: "Not condemning that. Can you condemn white supremacists?"

T: "I think Biden should condemn antifa..."

I: "That's not what I'm asking you to do. Is this really so hard...?"

T: "Well, I guess I could..."

I: "That's all you can do... well, can you condemn Putin...?"

T: "Putin? Why should I?"

I: "For interfering with our elections!!!1!?"

T: "Oh that... well... America interferes in elections. Maybe they can help us get dirt on Hunter Biden..."

I: "What...?"

T: "If the Ukrainians don't... can't understand why they won't do it for us..."

I: "Oh yeah, and putting bounties on the heads of our soldiers... can you condemn that....?"

T: "Bounty? What's wrong with that? I put Bounty on the heads of people in Puuuerto Rico? Remember me throwing them to those grateful people?"

I: "Is there nothing so despicable that you won't... what about the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia and the murder that he ordered?"

T: "I saved his ass!"

I: "A murderer?! What??! This is how you abuse your power?"

T: "I'm always trying to think of new ways. I was thinking about how if I just shot someone on 5th Avenue, it wouldn't change my support..."

I: "Holy Crap! What about North Korea's parading of nuclear weapons?"

T: "He's a great guy, Kim Jong-un. He wrote me a lovely letter!"

I: "Oh, what about Darth Vader's Death Star obliterating a whole planet believing the rebel base was on it?"

T: "Yes, I was sorry to hear about that..."

I: "Oh good, finally..."

T: "Yeah, it turns out that AOC or whoever was lying?! Lying?! Can you believe that! I hope they get lucky wiping out antifa next time!"
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Old 17th October 2020, 10:03 AM   #68
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Jesus Christ in ******* canoe, the orange idiot gets near daily reach-a-rounds from the talking heads at Fox News, fawning adulation from maga-hat morons at rallies, but can't handle a softball from a meanie* girl concerning the world's dumbest conspiracy theory?

What a snowflake.





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He's really going after her now that it's over. He wasn't so brave when she had her foot on his nuts. Trump really is a disgusting coward.
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Old 18th October 2020, 10:35 AM   #69
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Doesn't bother you, then, that the President claims neither he nor Savannah knows for sure whether there's a Deep State and Hollywood teamup involving Satanic pedophilia cult stuff? Your takeaway is that she was mean to ask him that?

Would you agree? Could be a Satanic worldwide cult adopting children for dastardly reasons, headed by powerful Democrats and Tom Hanks? A wise world leader will admit that he doesn't know for sure, right?

Okay. I took away a different opinion.
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Old 19th October 2020, 06:39 AM   #70
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
The Biden Town Hall ran for 2 hours. President Trump's Town Hall ran for 1 hour.
Biden's Town Hall ended 1 hour after Trump's had ended. But yay, Biden is the winner! Very well thought out and scripted event.

It's not a stretch to guess that Trump's viewers switched the channel to view the "Love Fest" after watching the end of the President's event during which Savannah Guthrie was notably hostile to the President. Nothing scripted in President Trump's Town Hall.

And IMO that's exactly what he wanted voters to see.

Except it's already been pointed out that Biden's ratings were higher for the hour that both were on at the same time. Also, it's not Biden's fault that he has more energy and can perform a town hall for twice the length that tired Trump can.
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Except it's already been pointed out that Biden's ratings were higher for the hour that both were on at the same time. Also, it's not Biden's fault that he has more energy and can perform a town hall for twice the length that tired Trump can.
We're falling into the same bs that Trump does over ratings. Like the however huge number of tweety feed subs he has. Does he, or any of us, actually believe those are all supporters?
He's not a rock star... half the people tune in for the train wreck (ok, some rock/pop stars would get that too).
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