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11th April 2012, 05:08 PM | #1881 |
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What's the best argument for UHC? This argument against UHC. "Perhaps one reason per capita GDP is lower in UHC countries is because they've tried to prevent this important function [bankrupting the sick] and thus carry forward considerable economic dead wood?"-BeAChooser |
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Doc, why do you take seriously the ramblings of a man who obviously wrote Revelation under the influence of some powerful hallucinogenic? Either that or he was just plain crazy.
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What's the best argument for UHC? This argument against UHC. "Perhaps one reason per capita GDP is lower in UHC countries is because they've tried to prevent this important function [bankrupting the sick] and thus carry forward considerable economic dead wood?"-BeAChooser |
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11th April 2012, 06:58 PM | #1886 |
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Has anyone ever actually seen DOC and Bill Clinton in the same place at the same time?
I mean, is the following not "DOC-worthy"? "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true." Spooky, eh? |
11th April 2012, 07:07 PM | #1887 |
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You haven't read my #1862, have you? Please do so, and tell me why I am mistaken. I have said that a thousand year reign can "come to pass" soon. Refute me if you want to go on saying it can't.
The best treatment of Revelation by any commentator may be found here, along with a similar take on other books of the Bible. http://www.bricktestament.com/ |
11th April 2012, 08:13 PM | #1888 |
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Even if we were to allow this goal post to be shifted unchallenged those things never came to pass for the 7 Churches. However "All these things shall soon come to pass" seems pretty straight-forward to me.
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11th April 2012, 08:35 PM | #1889 |
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Eastern Orthodoxy appears to have been reluctant to accept Revelation. It was finally defined as part of the Eastern canon at the Synod of Jerusalem in 1672. However, it is not present in the Orthodox lectionary, from which passages are read during church services. It is the only NT book omitted in this way.
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11th April 2012, 11:35 PM | #1890 |
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We don't need to limit ourselves to Revelation 1 to find a soon or a shortly. Here's the NIV version of Chapter 22. What are these words supposed to mean, DOC, if not what they clearly say?
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The population here in Belgium is increasing, religion is in decline so there are less people to preach the gospel nonsense so yes, the prophecy can never be fulfilled. Well done again Doc, you keep coming up with reasons why no prophecy has been fulfilled or ever will be fulfilled.
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Well actually Jesus telling the apostles to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature is not a prophecy but this is:
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. |
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in defense of Clinton, I actually understand what he was going for here. He was talking about whether the statement "There is nothing going on between me and ms lewinsky" could be truthful if he was not carrying on an affair with her at the time he said that, even if he had done so in the past. A dishonest thing to say, to be sure, but not as logic-chopping as it is made out.
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2/3rd of the world are something other than christian. the current world population is somewhere around 6.8 billion people. That means 4.5 billion people are in this world are something other than christian.
In order for your "Doubt" to be validated, you would have to assume that less than 22% of those people (1billion or few) had actually heard the gospels. Given the wide spread nature of missionaries and christian churches throughout the world, such a claim is laughable. |
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You were using "every person alive [not having] had a chance to hear the gospel" as an excuse for the failure of the specific prophecy that a thousand year reign would soon come to pass. If your argument is correct, then the thousand year reign can never come to pass, because more people are always being born, and thus there will always be some who have not yet heard the gospel. Either your excuse is not valid, or you have yourself demonstrated that the prophecy can never be fulfilled. |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...n_missionaries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...aries_in_China http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...aries_in_India http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...c_Missionaries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...aries_in_China http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesuit_China_missions |
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DOC, why did you go off-topic and bring up a prophecy that even you agree has not been fulfilled?
Have you given up trying to defend ones that you believe actually have been? I don't blame you. |
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So what you're saying is that the only thing preventing the end of the world is the fact that there are peoples out there, like the Sentinelese, who will never hear the gospel because they'll kill those who attempt to arrive on their land?
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Maybe the Christians could do like the Mormons, reading people into the book of the dead so that they can receive the gospel posthumously.
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We often hear many people pop into DOC's train wrecks, and ask why people even bother to participate, but you know what, I love 'em.
Thanks Wildy, I've learnt something new today. Thanks for the link. I'f DOC's god has revealed herself to the Sentinelese, I'll be a believer. If not and they have a different god, then why is theirs any less important than yours DOC? |
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6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
The furthest stars from the Earth are billions of light years away. If the end times are starting soon Doc, it will take them a long time to fall to Earth, even traveling at the speed of light. Observation tells us that no stars are moving en masse towards the Earth so the end time will not be coming anytime soon. |
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Here DOC - ?
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