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25th March 2012, 04:21 PM | #1601 |
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Red Flag -- Replies to no post of mine.
Any Tom Dick or Harry can say anything in these threads. Backing it up with a reasoned explanation is another matter. There should be a rule on this site that you can not say anything derogatory about someone unless you back it with a reasoned explanation and must use at least 2 of the person's "entire" posts as examples. And even if you did that it would still be an ad hom regarding other posts by the person. As I've said many times, my threads are not about me, but some skeptics want to make them about me. |
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Are people only allowed to reply to you now? This thread isn't about you, you know.
RED FLAG!! This post replied to yours but you never answered it:
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To Tim Callahan, you have mentioned several times without sources that Thebes in Egypt was not damaged by Nebuchadnezzar's attack. Well this author would disagree with your hypothesis because he says Thebes was probably damaged during Nebu's incursion.
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25th March 2012, 06:48 PM | #1609 |
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You clearly don't even understand what a "personal direct attack" looks like. None of those were any kind of attack. Some were definitely mocking, but after so many pages of utter, unsubstantiated ********, it's only reasonable that people not bother trying hide their disdain for someone so intellectually dishonest. |
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So we're only allowed to reply to you, but the thread is not about you. Which is it, DOC? This quote of yours makes it abundantly clear that it's you yourself who wants to paint that this thread is about you rather than your (utterly failed) claims.
Wild claims without explanation abound in this thread, particularly by one specific poster. If you know exactly how to run a forum, why don't you start one yourself? That unnamed author exactly says "it probably again suffered in the incursion of Nebuchadnezzar" and provides zero evidence for his claim. Note the weasel word "probably". You may also note this was written in 1842, an age when Egyptology was still in its infancy. So we're still awaiting real evidence. Like a burning layer in Thebes that can be calculated to 567BC. Or a cuneiform graffiti "Nebu was here". And then scroll to the next page in that 1842 Penny Magazine for something completely different. ... ... ... The Birch! |
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I think this is the kind of post that DOC thinks should not be allowed, and I agree.
It's off topic, not addressed at any specific claim, and a failed attempt to deflect from a very serious thread topic with a pitiful attempt at humor. Oh, and in addition, everyone knows its "The Larch!" |
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He surely isn't worried about that at all. In fact, the posts that actually offer historical information are exactly the reason why people are not convinced by your babbling.
Hint: Those posts are the ones _not_ written by you. Have you ever paused for a minute a thought about what the reason for that might be? Oh, and joobz, you can put me in the "unconvinced" category as well. Greetings, Chris |
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My youngest daughter was born with brain cancer which was not diagnosed until she was eight and a ten hour operation saved her life. Both Doc and another believer called Edge said that it was my fault that she had cancer, god was punishing me. That is not nice, Doc deserves all he gets here.
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Frankly, this article in The Penny Magazine is really reaching. I read it, and all it said was that Thebes was "probably" destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar. Here's what Wikipedia has to say about this publication:
The Penny Magazine, published every Saturday from 31 March 1832 to 31 October 1845, was an illustrated British magazine aimed at the working class. Charles Knight created it for the Society for the Diffusion of Useful Knowledge in response to Chambers's Edinburgh Journal, which started two months earlier. Sold for only a penny and illustrated with woodcuts, it was an expensive enterprise that could only be supported by very large circulation. This is hardly an archaeological journal, and it certainly isn't current. Since you accuse me of never giving any sources, Here's the Babylonian Chronicle, now in the British Museum, as quoted in Wikipedia, on Nebuchadnezzar's invasion of Egypt: "In the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar, king of the country of Babylon, he went to Mitzraim (Egypt) to wage war. Amasis, king of Egypt, collected [his army], and marched and spread abroad." And that's it. Had he destroyed Thebes or any other city in Egypt Neb would have said so. The absence of any self-congradulatory propaganda in this chronicle means there wasn't anything to crow about. In all probability it wasn't even Neb's intention to invade Egypt. Rather, a show of force on its borders was probably meant to give a warning to stop interfering in the Levant. |
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Somehow, you're the only person here he seems not to notice the sources Tim mentions in his posts. For instance, about the surrender of Babylon to Cyrus, Tim has repeatedly mentioned his main source:
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Others have mentioned how pathetic this source is, but even it doesn't support the argument that Thebes was destroyed to the extent the prophecy claims. The quote continues:
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Reupdated again to include more responses.
DOC has successfully demonstrated a fullfilled biblical prophecy: 1 DOC DOC has failed to demonstrate that biblical prophecies have been fullfilled. 41 Joobz Foster Zygote jond abaddon mashuna zooterkin Mojo Lucian Amazer Helen Filippo Lippi Hokulele RoboTimbo FastEddieB joseph8th kmortis x RobDegraves Elizabeth I Lukraak_Sisser Mudcat ddt Mister Agenda* Whose opinion DOC labeled as Unbiased catsmate tsig Leumas Brainache Welshdean Rincewind Multivac pakeha dafydd TimCallahan Wildy Lrrr Cantab Sezme AdMan Alice Shortcake Sun Countess Agatha Doc has successfullly demonstrated that the OT is largely made up of incomprehensible gibberish: 14 Lucian Helen kmortis ddt Leumas Mudcat Welshdean Rincewind Multivac Brainache pakeha Cantab Sezme abaddon |
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DOC: Here is another source regarding the surrender of Babylon to Cyrus without a fight. Scroll down a bit and look at verses 25 and 16. This document, now in the British Museum, is called the Nabonidus Chronicle. It was apparently written by Babylonian priests of Marduk, who were unhappy with the last Chaldean king, Nabonidus (Nabu-naid), who, they felt, had slighted Marduk, patron deity of the city of Babylon, in favor of the moon god, Sin.
So, I have no given you, as sources, two preserved documents, the Cyrus Cylinder and the Nabonidus Chronicle, each written shortly after Babylon capitulated to Cyrus. As to the invasion of Egypt, I've pointed out to you the following: 1) There is no archaeological evidence to support a destruction of Egypt by the Chaldeans. 2) According to the Nebuchadnezzar Chronicle, another preserved document, Neb. marched against Egypt and Pharaoh Amasis marched out to meet him. The Chronicle says nothing more. 3) It is known the Amasis was still alive and running Egypt after Nebuchadnezzar was dead. As to Nebuchadnezzar's attack on Tyre, Ezek. 29:18 says that Nebuchadnezzar's army got nothing for their labor against Tyre. Therefore, even the Bible concedes that Neb. didn't take the main city. |
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I’m not a practicing Catholic but I came across a book entitled “The Catholicism Answer Book” by Rev. Jon Trigilio Jr. and Rev. Ken Bighenti.
Here is a question and the given answer from the book pg. 45-46 “Was Jesus a prophet or a messiah? He was both. Many non-Christian religions consider Jesus of Nazareth to be a holy or revered prophet. Christians, however, believe he was indeed a prophet but much more than that. Prophets are not fortune tellers who gaze into crystal balls, read tea leaves, or use tarot cards. Prophets rarely, but occasionally predict the future. The main function and job of a prophet is to teach; that is, to speak to the people in the name of the Lord... ...Prophets teach and speak on behalf of God. Jesus taught in the synagogues, in the temple, in the towns and cities. He preached a message of mercy and forgiveness. He spoke what the Father sent him to speak just as all the prophets before him had. The only difference was that Jesus as the Son of God was one with God the Father. The fullness of truth and grace were revealed by Jesus, hence there was no need for any more prophets after Him..." |
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I'm sorry DOC but even if we couldn't call you on shifting goalposts (by the we can, in case there was any doubt) it would not help make your claims anything but invalid. Also, in case you missed the rest of the thread or just plain ignored it, these prophets did not predict, foretell, devine, scry, or otherwise produce anykind of prophecy for the future; past, present or future... You know future as in the future future that's future for our present. Damn, time travel gives me headaches. |
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