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8th April 2012, 09:20 AM | #1801 |
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I've finally figured out the thread title. He meant the incredible odds against any fulfilled prophesies.
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8th April 2012, 01:43 PM | #1803 |
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Continuing on the 21 is rather odd.
21. To begin in Galilee- Isa 9:1-2, Mt 4:12-17 For starters, Mt 4:12-17 is
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22. Ministry of Miracles- Isa 35:5-6,
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23. Teacher of parables- Ps 78:1-4,
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24. He was to enter the temple- Mal 3:1,
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27. Light to Gentiles- Isa 49:6, Acts 13:46-48 The day Jesus was
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8th April 2012, 07:00 PM | #1810 |
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Again no source, but even if true then I assume you don't believe big cities grow and there would be some people of Nineveh who chose to live outside any city walls that might exist such as farmers, shepherds, vineyard growers, and other people who just choose to live outside any city walls but still consider themselves part of Nineveh. And building materials are probably scarce in that arid climate so it is logical to assume any abandoned dwelling wouldn't last long especially over the thousands of years of wars and desert winds. And that would apply to Egypt too.
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8th April 2012, 07:10 PM | #1811 |
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Again, another no source post.
ETA: DOC, There have been a number of posts now which have addressed that google list. It is clear, as was clear when you first presented it, that it is underwhelming nonsense. As it stands, you have YET to present even one single fulfilled prophecy. |
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DOC has successfully demonstrated a fullfilled biblical prophecy: 1 DOC DOC has failed to demonstrate that biblical prophecies have been fullfilled. 41 Joobz Foster Zygote jond abaddon mashuna zooterkin Mojo Lucian Amazer Helen Filippo Lippi Hokulele RoboTimbo FastEddieB joseph8th kmortis x RobDegraves Elizabeth I Lukraak_Sisser Mudcat ddt Mister Agenda* Whose opinion DOC labeled as Unbiased catsmate tsig Leumas Brainache Welshdean Rincewind Multivac pakeha dafydd TimCallahan Wildy Lrrr Cantab Sezme AdMan Alice Shortcake Sun Countess Agatha Doc has successfullly demonstrated that the OT is largely made up of incomprehensible gibberish: 13 Lucian Helen kmortis ddt Leumas Mudcat Welshdean Rincewind Multivac Brainache pakeha Cantab Sezme So you don't believe any of these[prophecies in a google list] came true? No:19 zooterkin joobz kerikiwi pakeha Mojo dafydd Lucian ddt welshdean Agatha Elizabeth I Craig B catsmate1 Helen carlitos abaddon Robotimbo Mudcat Welshdean So you don't believe any of these[prophecies in a google list] came true? Yes:0 |
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theres a wonderful science called Archaeology Doc
heard of it ? ok lets try another approach Jonah who is deposited on the shore of the Mediteranean by the "great fish" makes it to Nineveh in 24 hrs Nineveh is 390 miles from the coast at its shortest point so Jonah was averaging 16 miles an hour on foot which is twice the average human speed over that kind of distance. you don't need bs excuses here if you can't do the simple math don't bother with a reply |
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Actually, I DID give the source as a link in post #1761. Here it is again. And again, as I told you in that post, you need to scroll down a bit to find the map of the city. And again, the city is only about 1/14 the size it should be according to the Book of Jonah. To accept your bit of special pleading that the city was actually 14 times greater in width than the walled portion, we would have to believe thatall this dense population surrounded the walled city, yet no trace of it survived, though the walled city did. Whether you like it or not, you have to go with the physical evidence.
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Only twice? You're being too generous! Average walking speed is around 4mph, which most people couldn't keep up without stopping for 24 hours. Even for something like a 100 mile endurance run, which participants train extensively for, 24 hours is regarded as a good time, so 4 days of that would be a superhuman effort. (Even King Harold's army took 4 days to travel the 185 miles to Stamford Bridge.)
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It was an astonishing feat, and I think pretty well documented, and at the end of it they fought and beat the invaders. A bit more digging, however, shows that the soldiers would probably all have been mounted for the journey (though they fought on foot); I was a bit misled by the fact that it's often described as a march. However, this just goes to show even more strongly the impossibility of 390 miles in a day, or even a week.
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More recently, cavalry forces on the march seem to have been reckoned to travel twice as far in a day as infantry units. They could achieve much higher speeds on forced marches, at the cost of the condition of the horses, of course. As Harold's men fought on foot, they might well have been willing to risk this.
But we can't assume Jonah rode a horse in his trip through Nineveh! So the city must (according to the Biblical account) have been about 60 miles across, and not the much larger distance suggested by King Harold's expedition. |
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Kindly add me to the list of unbelievers that in the Google List of Prophecies (GLoP).
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DOC: I'll give you a break. Let's say that Jonah, being exhausted from his journey inside the whale, could only make 5 miles a day instead of 15. Since a mile is roughly 1.6 kilometers, 5 X 1.6 = 8.0 kilometers a day. Thus, a city three days journey across would be 3 X 8 = 24 kilometers in width. However, Nineveh was, at best, 4 or 5 Km at its widest point. Thus, even if we make this adjustment, the city is only about 1/6 to 1/5 the size it ahould be, according to the Book of Jonah. Oh, and lest you try to accuse me not giving a source for these measurements, it's here.
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Perhaps Jonah was the Hebrew word for "krill," explaining both his slow gait and his time in the whale before being sicked up
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Are we sure that the Nineveh passage is about the size of the city? I guess I'm reading the passage wrong because I would have thought that it was saying that the city was three days away from wherever Jonah was at the time. But if that's right then it just raises even more questions.
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For those interested in the factual history of Nineveh, Dan Carlin did an episode of his excellent podcast, "Hardcore History" titled "Judgment at Nineveh".
Description: “Will our modern society ever decline and fall? Dan uses that idea as a backdrop for a look at the first great empire in history, the biblical-era Assyrians. Were they ancient Nazis, or the guardians of civilization?” Free when first issued, now $1.99 but well worth it. http://dancarlin.com/dccart/index.ph...roducts_id=143 |
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Well, that is the KJV, and the phrasing was probably not ambiguous at the time, especially in context. (Jonah went to Nineveh, as instructed; then we talk about the size of the place. Then verse 4 talks about entering a day's journey into the city, implying that it takes more than one day to get through, which reinforces verse 3 as referring to the size of the place, not how far it was from where Jonah started.)
I'm interested in hearing from Marduk where he got the "390 miles in a day" from. We had an interesting digression about marching rates, but it seems it may not have been sparked by anything relevant to this thread. Partly my fault, as I just looked at the figures in his post, and didn't check back to see what he was basing them on, and I should have known better. |
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