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20th April 2012, 04:28 AM | #2163 |
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Yes, unique IS one way of describing that.
Wouldn't it be awesome to have at least one, unique fulfilled bibical prophecy to discuss here? |
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20th April 2012, 05:07 AM | #2165 |
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Those religions don't have their basis in a singular historical event. It doesn't make sense for Christianity to even exist without a resurrection. Also Islam spread originally by the sword; and Buddhism is based in a philosophy, it is not dependent on a singular historical event as Christianity is. |
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[OT]Highlighted the total fail here.
Islam is based upon the alleged revelation of The Word Of Allah™ by the Angel Gabriel to his Prophet Mohammed. A rather singular event if I've ever heard of one. I'll give you Buddhism. Even if you take only Siddhartha Guatama, it was more of a process than an event that led him to his eventual ideas. Rather fitting, considering what his ideas were. And Chrisitianity also spread by the sword, so there's nothing unique there.[/OT] And NONE of this has to do with prophesy. Keep it up and it'll all be whisked away for a Rule 11 violation. Same for the Jay Suklow cra...stuff. |
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20th April 2012, 05:19 AM | #2168 |
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Originally Posted by Foster Zygote
Foster Zygote's comment was not a strawman, it was a description of what you yourself had posted. It was the logical extension of what you're trying to pass off as evidence. What you meant to say about your own post was that you were engaging in the fallacy of "special pleading". You're saying that Christianity is true because it has been around for 2000 years but other relgions aren't true even though they've been around as long or longer because Christianity is special. Can you explain why that is a fallacy? Oops! Sorry kmortis, you were posting as I was. DOC, what does this have to do with all of the failed prophecies in the Bible? |
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No religion is dependent on a single event. They are all amalgamations of varied mythologies and philosophies dolled and doctored up to frame a certain desired social construct.
Then apologetics are formed to address inconsistencies and contradictions as necessary. By the way, the sword was no secret to christians. Ask Simon Peter. |
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As we've never seen miracles, we have to conclude that no god(s) exist then. Thank you for clearing that up.
Or are you saying that something had to turn a bunch of scared Saudis into bold terrorists who shook up the world, ending their own lives as they ended others? If you say that's different, you are engaging in the fallacy of special pleading. But what does this have to do with all the failed prophecies in the Christian Bible? |
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Well. no. It was a reference to you pointing out that: You only get to call "Strawman!" when you can point out that someone is attributing words to you that you didn't actually use. Failness. Even though this is untrue, so bloody what? No it doesn't. Time to pack it all in then, I guess. Apparently you've forgotten the Crusades and a whole heap of other historical events that demonstrate the bloody history of Christianity, or are you just pretending to have forgotten? There's another word for that sort of thing. |
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DOC, I'd love to read a detailed explanation of how my query qualifies as a strawman argument.
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There's your problem. Been staring you in the face the whole time, hasn't it? No it doesn't. You aren't even able to demonstrate that these apostles even existed so there's no honest way you can ascribe motivations to them. Further, I'd point out that referring to the extinction of other gods is obviously tacit acknowledgement of their previous existence. Take it from one who knows, this is Not A Good Look for an alleged monotheist. And so the relentless search for the most irrelevant statement in the history of everything continues. |
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And if Santa Clause exists then he might bring me a pony.
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Post # 2132. You specifically claimed that there has to be something to Christianity because it has been around for some 2000 years and if it wasn't true it would have faded away and been forgotten. The problem is that there are a number of religions that are still going strong after many generations.
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Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.Good question, DOC. If I was a proto-Christian doing my thing in an empire that I thought would string me up, nail me to a tree, feed me to some lions or light me up like a candle I'd be being pretty peaceful about it too, although the fact is it wasn't the religious pursuits of the Christians that got them in trouble so much as their seditious meddling and all-round unwillingness to play by the rules. Just like today, in other words. Once the ball got rolling, however, it was a bit of a different story though, wasn't it? Face it DOC, the Romans were extremely tolerant when it came to the religions of those they conquered and in many cases they adopted those religions as their own. Christianity, on the other hand, has never learned to play nice with the other kids. And never will. |
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The believers in Jesus' miraculous resurrection may have shaken up some communities, and converted a minority to the belief in their religion, but note that they never converted the people of whom Jesus was one, and from whom he sprang, and who were the alleged observers of the event! This is the biggest failure of credibility in the foundation of any religion I know! Tom Paine's account of this failure (Age of Reason Part 1 Ch 2) is worth citing here. (My italics.)
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OK, apparently I was too subtle before. Let me make this clear, even for those in the cheap seats.
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Really, it's that simple? I'm not aiming for a suspension, but how can you rein in anything when it comes to Biblical prophecy? I'm not a regular contributor to this thread, but I follow (read) it. How do you define what is outside of the Bible?
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Very well, then. Here's a more "on topic" passage from Tom Paine, Examination of the Prophecies
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