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NoahFence · 11th November 2016, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear

I take your anecdote at face value but at the ebd of the day the "lad" needs to get the suspect arrested. End of story

Well, it's a little late for that, isn't it? Both for this specific incident, and those in the coming years.

These reports will be treated to the same level of scrutiny as UFO sightings in a Trump presidency.

What's the use of reporting when the government doesn't care?

Grizzly Bear · 11th November 2016, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

What's the use of reporting when the government doesn't care?

Unless Trump decides to make it legal for people to physically assault another person FOR ANY REASON, it's a crime and punishable as such. There is absolutely no debate about it. Assault is not a political ideology, and it's not a religion. It's physical harm to another individual, and against your friend it's a hate crime on top of that and goes way, way beyond just simple discrimination. She really needs to file charges as this assailant assumed on his volition he had a "right" to commit physical harm... he will hopefully find out that he made a very wrong decision.

NoahFence · 11th November 2016, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear

Unless Trump decides to make it legal for people to physically assault another person FOR ANY REASON, it's a crime and punishable as such. There is absolutely no debate about it. Assault is not a political ideology, and it's not a religion. It's physical harm to another individual, and against your friend it's a hate crime on top of that and goes way, way beyond just simple discrimination. She really needs to file charges as this assailant assumed on his volition he had a "right" to commit physical harm... he will hopefully find out that he made a very wrong decision.

That's a really adorable disconnect with reality.
Truly.

The fact is this:
If It takes more than 1 person to get you your justice, or protection, you're screwed.

How many levels are there?
1- Lawmakers.
2- Law Enforcement (of which there are several layers)
3 - The judicial system.

If none of these groups care, how will justice be done for victims of hate?

Aridas · 11th November 2016, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear

To add some relevant points to the OP:
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/201...rom-educators/

Wait. Let me let this sink in for a moment. Educators prefer the party that favors science over the party that favors science denial and pushing religion into science class? Educators prefer the party that hasn't explicitly opposed teaching critical thinking? I'm truly, deeply shocked.

Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear

I can state anecdotally that my professors are by vast majority hard core to the left and made no bones about sending myself scathing criticisms for making counterarguments about Clinton. And like many here, they are currently making no bones about being pissed off about the results or about insulting the half of the electorate that propelled Trump. So none of the article actually surprises me.

Why shouldn't people be pissed off at Trump getting elected? There's exceedingly substantial reason to be pissed off at it, in many, many ways, with regards to his words, promises, and actions and the platform he ran on. Of course, that's not to say that there's nothing bad to say about Clinton's statements and positions, like the "deplorables" or the defending of the poorly implemented ACA when there's really no hope of the Republicans either allowing it to get fixed or stop doing nearly everything they can to sabotage its implementation, but the double standard required to excuse Trump despite him doing and being much worse than Hillary in so many ways that she was being condemned for is somewhat mind-boggling.

shuize · 11th November 2016, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

What's the use of reporting when the government doesn't care?

This statement really belongs in the "Liberals = the ultimate in drama queens" thread.

NoahFence · 11th November 2016, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by shuize

This statement really belongs in the "Liberals = the ultimate in drama queens" thread.

So you got no answer.

Aridas · 11th November 2016, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

So you got no answer.

The government and various levels of law enforcement isn't solely composed of people who don't care, at last check? And even among those who really don't care, more than a few of them are not against doing their job?

shuize · 11th November 2016, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

So you got no answer.

My answer is the same as the very reasonable advice posted above: If a crime was committed, your friend needs to report it. The drama queen aspect is all the "Oh, no! The government doesn't care! So she won't report it."

But I'm looking forward to the follow up drama queen installment later asking "Why, oh why, doesn't the government do anything to help my gay friend solve the crime she never reported?"

Grizzly Bear · 12th November 2016, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

That's a really adorable disconnect with reality.
Truly.

The fact is this:
If It takes more than 1 person to get you your justice, or protection, you're screwed.

How many levels are there?
1- Lawmakers.
2- Law Enforcement (of which there are several layers)
3 - The judicial system.

If none of these groups care, how will justice be done for victims of hate?

The one with a disconnect in their argument is yours. Assault is a crime punishable with a prison sentence... those laws are the same as before.

What are your thoughts on people being beaten to the ground right now because some group randomly decided that the guy voted for Trump? This election was ugly as hell. People are taking this crap out entirely inappropriately. I dont care who they are affiliated with... this needs to stop

casebro · 12th November 2016, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

A friend of mine's gay daughter was assaulted on campus yesterday. Her attacker cited his freedom to do so under the new President.

....

and then a later quote was "it's time for gays to go back into the closet" instead.

AND, it's 3rd hand info too.

I vote Noah for Drama Queen.

phiwum · 13th November 2016, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear

I can state anecdotally that my professors are by vast majority hard core to the left and made no bones about sending myself scathing criticisms for making counterarguments about Clinton. And like many here, they are currently making no bones about being pissed off about the results or about insulting the half of the electorate that propelled Trump. So none of the article actually surprises me.

Let me add to your anecdote.

I have mocked Trump repeatedly in my classroom. I am not "hard-core left", but probably lean Democrat lately because I've been displeased (or, now, horrified) with Republican presidential candidates.

In the wrong context, I could see offending students by my comments. I might even have offended some this year. I am glad that my university doesn't seem to be particularly sensitive when it comes to political correctness thus far, and that my students seem to understand that diverse opinions are part of the college experience.

To be sure, I had no one speak up in favor of Trump. We are in a deep blue part of a deep blue state, but I'm sure that there were Trump supporters in my classroom. I hope that they weren't cowed into silence by my "authority", but it's possible that they didn't want to invite the opprobrium of the majority of the classroom.

This is a philosophy class, by the way. I have no authority when it comes to political matters, but we have fairly wide ranging discussions. We had no substantive discussion on the election until Friday, when some students asked my opinion on the protests and other matters. I gave my reasoning clearly and explicitly.

fuelair · 13th November 2016, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Not sure the relevance.

I think the only real evidence you need that someone is a trump supporter is that they're a moron.

So who'd you vote for?

Two guesses, and the one that involves a winning goat ********** wins!!!

fuelair · 13th November 2016, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Ohhh, wrong emoji, because the dope lost

And the **** won!!!!! **** 'em !!!! Up the cornhole !!!!

Bubba · 13th November 2016, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by calebprime

Can you provide a summary?

I have issues with motion sickness that make it difficult to watch videos sometimes.

The guy in the OP video said that members of the mainstream media:

* Gave Hillary debate questions in advance.

* NY Times gave HRC veto power over articles about her and schemed with team Hillary to write op-eds that 'give her a big presence'.

* Did not report footage of Scott Foval, Deputy Political Director at People For The American Way. saying they've been busing in voters for fifty years and are not going to stop now."

* Did not report footage of DNC Rapid Response Coordinator Aaron Black telling how his agitators sparked violence at Trump rallies

* Did not report footage of Scot Foval admitting agitator strategies as did Aaron Black

Black and Foval are apparently clearly recognizable in footage (conspiracy, if true)

(among other items)

He also pointed out:

that while ridiculing so called conspiracy theories, the mainstream media earlier promoted the conspiracy theory (weapons of mass destruction) which led to deaths of hundreds of thousands and the rise of ISIS.

Some of it was in emails from wikileaks

Shiner · 13th November 2016, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

And the **** won!!!!! **** 'em !!!! Up the cornhole !!!!

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I AGREE

SezMe · 14th November 2016, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

and a time machine because Trump won't be sworn in for another two months.

You're right. The last ~18 months of Trump campaigning on hate doesn't count because he hasn't been sworn in yet.

SezMe · 14th November 2016, 03:54 AM

Originally Posted by icebear

Donald Trump is offering queers more or less the same deal they have in Russia.

I know that when I imagine the best for the USA I always turn to Russia for inspiration.

SezMe · 14th November 2016, 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Yes, yes, **** trump and all but can you get out of the way, tbd has a train to catch, losers.

Aw. That's so sad that you got delayed by 30 seconds (at max?) by some protesters who don't like Trump. It's just un-American init? Get in touch with Trump and Bannon - I'm sure they have a legislative fix planned.

fuelair · 14th November 2016, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Two guesses, and the one that involves a winning goat ********** wins!!!

realized this could be confusing since I left out an h. Whining goat ********** is what I meant and it is the one I did not vote for. Since Hillary does not **** goats she must be (and is) the one I voted for and the son of an orangutan and also a known goat ********** is the one I did not vote for!!!!!!!

fuelair · 14th November 2016, 12:07 PM

Apologies for the confusion!!!!!!!!! Last week sucked!!!!!

fuelair · 15th November 2016, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Shiner

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I AGREE

Cute!!!!!!!!!!!

catsmate · 16th November 2016, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Apologies for the confusion!!!!!!!!! Last week sucked!!!!!

Originally Posted by fuelair

Cute!!!!!!!!!!!

Too!! Many!!! Exclamation!!!! Marks!!!!!

fuelair · 17th November 2016, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by catsmate

Too!! Many!!! Exclamation!!!! Marks!!!!!

I still buy them by the case!!!!!!!!!

11th November 2016, 10:16 PM	#202
Grizzly Bear このマスクによっ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 7,863	Originally Posted by NoahFence What's the use of reporting when the government doesn't care? Unless Trump decides to make it legal for people to physically assault another person FOR ANY REASON, it's a crime and punishable as such. There is absolutely no debate about it. Assault is not a political ideology, and it's not a religion. It's physical harm to another individual, and against your friend it's a hate crime on top of that and goes way, way beyond just simple discrimination. She really needs to file charges as this assailant assumed on his volition he had a "right" to commit physical harm... he will hopefully find out that he made a very wrong decision.
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11th November 2016, 10:57 PM	#204
Aridas Crazy Little Green Dragon Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: East Coast, US Posts: 7,453	Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear To add some relevant points to the OP: https://www.opensecrets.org/news/201...rom-educators/ Wait. Let me let this sink in for a moment. Educators prefer the party that favors science over the party that favors science denial and pushing religion into science class? Educators prefer the party that hasn't explicitly opposed teaching critical thinking? I'm truly, deeply shocked. Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear I can state anecdotally that my professors are by vast majority hard core to the left and made no bones about sending myself scathing criticisms for making counterarguments about Clinton. And like many here, they are currently making no bones about being pissed off about the results or about insulting the half of the electorate that propelled Trump. So none of the article actually surprises me. Why shouldn't people be pissed off at Trump getting elected? There's exceedingly substantial reason to be pissed off at it, in many, many ways, with regards to his words, promises, and actions and the platform he ran on. Of course, that's not to say that there's nothing bad to say about Clinton's statements and positions, like the "deplorables" or the defending of the poorly implemented ACA when there's really no hope of the Republicans either allowing it to get fixed or stop doing nearly everything they can to sabotage its implementation, but the double standard required to excuse Trump despite him doing and being much worse than Hillary in so many ways that she was being condemned for is somewhat mind-boggling.
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11th November 2016, 11:15 PM	#205
shuize Master Poster Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,989	Originally Posted by NoahFence What's the use of reporting when the government doesn't care? This statement really belongs in the "Liberals = the ultimate in drama queens" thread.
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11th November 2016, 11:31 PM	#207
Aridas Crazy Little Green Dragon Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: East Coast, US Posts: 7,453	Originally Posted by NoahFence So you got no answer. The government and various levels of law enforcement isn't solely composed of people who don't care, at last check? And even among those who really don't care, more than a few of them are not against doing their job?
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11th November 2016, 11:40 PM	#208
shuize Master Poster Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,989	Originally Posted by NoahFence So you got no answer. My answer is the same as the very reasonable advice posted above: If a crime was committed, your friend needs to report it. The drama queen aspect is all the "Oh, no! The government doesn't care! So she won't report it." But I'm looking forward to the follow up drama queen installment later asking "Why, oh why, doesn't the government do anything to help my gay friend solve the crime she never reported?"
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11th November 2016, 10:03 PM	#201
NoahFence Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,131	Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear I take your anecdote at face value but at the ebd of the day the "lad" needs to get the suspect arrested. End of story Well, it's a little late for that, isn't it? Both for this specific incident, and those in the coming years. These reports will be treated to the same level of scrutiny as UFO sightings in a Trump presidency. What's the use of reporting when the government doesn't care?

11th November 2016, 10:30 PM	#203
NoahFence Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,131	Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear Unless Trump decides to make it legal for people to physically assault another person FOR ANY REASON, it's a crime and punishable as such. There is absolutely no debate about it. Assault is not a political ideology, and it's not a religion. It's physical harm to another individual, and against your friend it's a hate crime on top of that and goes way, way beyond just simple discrimination. She really needs to file charges as this assailant assumed on his volition he had a "right" to commit physical harm... he will hopefully find out that he made a very wrong decision. That's a really adorable disconnect with reality. Truly. The fact is this: If It takes more than 1 person to get you your justice, or protection, you're screwed. How many levels are there? 1- Lawmakers. 2- Law Enforcement (of which there are several layers) 3 - The judicial system. If none of these groups care, how will justice be done for victims of hate?

11th November 2016, 11:16 PM	#206
NoahFence Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,131	Originally Posted by shuize This statement really belongs in the "Liberals = the ultimate in drama queens" thread. So you got no answer.

12th November 2016, 09:06 AM	#209
Grizzly Bear このマスクによっ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 7,863	Originally Posted by NoahFence That's a really adorable disconnect with reality. Truly. The fact is this: If It takes more than 1 person to get you your justice, or protection, you're screwed. How many levels are there? 1- Lawmakers. 2- Law Enforcement (of which there are several layers) 3 - The judicial system. If none of these groups care, how will justice be done for victims of hate? The one with a disconnect in their argument is yours. Assault is a crime punishable with a prison sentence... those laws are the same as before. What are your thoughts on people being beaten to the ground right now because some group randomly decided that the guy voted for Trump? This election was ugly as hell. People are taking this crap out entirely inappropriately. I dont care who they are affiliated with... this needs to stop
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12th November 2016, 10:07 AM	#210
casebro Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 18,653	Originally Posted by NoahFence A friend of mine's gay daughter was assaulted on campus yesterday. Her attacker cited his freedom to do so under the new President. .... and then a later quote was "it's time for gays to go back into the closet" instead. AND, it's 3rd hand info too. I vote Noah for Drama Queen.
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13th November 2016, 01:10 PM	#211
phiwum Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12,719	Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear I can state anecdotally that my professors are by vast majority hard core to the left and made no bones about sending myself scathing criticisms for making counterarguments about Clinton. And like many here, they are currently making no bones about being pissed off about the results or about insulting the half of the electorate that propelled Trump. So none of the article actually surprises me. Let me add to your anecdote. I have mocked Trump repeatedly in my classroom. I am not "hard-core left", but probably lean Democrat lately because I've been displeased (or, now, horrified) with Republican presidential candidates. In the wrong context, I could see offending students by my comments. I might even have offended some this year. I am glad that my university doesn't seem to be particularly sensitive when it comes to political correctness thus far, and that my students seem to understand that diverse opinions are part of the college experience. To be sure, I had no one speak up in favor of Trump. We are in a deep blue part of a deep blue state, but I'm sure that there were Trump supporters in my classroom. I hope that they weren't cowed into silence by my "authority", but it's possible that they didn't want to invite the opprobrium of the majority of the classroom. This is a philosophy class, by the way. I have no authority when it comes to political matters, but we have fairly wide ranging discussions. We had no substantive discussion on the election until Friday, when some students asked my opinion on the protests and other matters. I gave my reasoning clearly and explicitly.

13th November 2016, 05:53 PM	#212
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	Originally Posted by NoahFence Not sure the relevance. I think the only real evidence you need that someone is a trump supporter is that they're a moron. So who'd you vote for? Two guesses, and the one that involves a winning goat ********** wins!!!
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13th November 2016, 06:34 PM	#213
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Ohhh, wrong emoji, because the dope lost And the ** won!!!!! ** 'em !!!! Up the cornhole !!!!
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13th November 2016, 07:22 PM	#214
Bubba Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 5,247	Originally Posted by calebprime Can you provide a summary? I have issues with motion sickness that make it difficult to watch videos sometimes. The guy in the OP video said that members of the mainstream media: * Gave Hillary debate questions in advance. * NY Times gave HRC veto power over articles about her and schemed with team Hillary to write op-eds that 'give her a big presence'. * Did not report footage of Scott Foval, Deputy Political Director at People For The American Way. saying they've been busing in voters for fifty years and are not going to stop now." * Did not report footage of DNC Rapid Response Coordinator Aaron Black telling how his agitators sparked violence at Trump rallies * Did not report footage of Scot Foval admitting agitator strategies as did Aaron Black Black and Foval are apparently clearly recognizable in footage (conspiracy, if true) (among other items) He also pointed out: that while ridiculing so called conspiracy theories, the mainstream media earlier promoted the conspiracy theory (weapons of mass destruction) which led to deaths of hundreds of thousands and the rise of ISIS. Some of it was in emails from wikileaks
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14th November 2016, 03:47 AM	#216
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 24,990	Originally Posted by The Big Dog and a time machine because Trump won't be sworn in for another two months. You're right. The last ~18 months of Trump campaigning on hate doesn't count because he hasn't been sworn in yet.

14th November 2016, 03:54 AM	#217
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 24,990	Originally Posted by icebear Donald Trump is offering queers more or less the same deal they have in Russia. I know that when I imagine the best for the USA I always turn to Russia for inspiration.

14th November 2016, 04:02 AM	#218
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 24,990	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Yes, yes, **** trump and all but can you get out of the way, tbd has a train to catch, losers. Aw. That's so sad that you got delayed by 30 seconds (at max?) by some protesters who don't like Trump. It's just un-American init? Get in touch with Trump and Bannon - I'm sure they have a legislative fix planned.

14th November 2016, 12:05 PM	#219
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	Originally Posted by fuelair Two guesses, and the one that involves a winning goat ******** wins!!! realized this could be confusing since I left out an h. Whining goat ****** is what I meant and it is the one I did not vote for. Since Hillary does not goats she must be (and is) the one I voted for and the son of an orangutan and also a known goat ******** is the one I did not vote for!!!!!!!
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14th November 2016, 12:07 PM	#220
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	Apologies for the confusion!!!!!!!!! Last week sucked!!!!!
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16th November 2016, 07:27 AM	#222
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 23,871	Originally Posted by fuelair Apologies for the confusion!!!!!!!!! Last week sucked!!!!! Originally Posted by fuelair Cute!!!!!!!!!!! Too!! Many!!! Exclamation!!!! Marks!!!!!
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17th November 2016, 09:19 PM	#223
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	Originally Posted by catsmate Too!! Many!!! Exclamation!!!! Marks!!!!! I still buy them by the case!!!!!!!!!
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