QFS-Blockchain conspiracy

Mader Levap · 8th November 2020, 09:58 AM

WTF is this?

Apparently there is sting operation of Trump and Intelligence that watermarked all ballots (somehow, don't ask me). Data was provided by "MD, PhD, a highly qualified US government, a Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger" Steve Pieczenik.

Hmmm... is it just me or ballots are printed by each state separately?

The Great Zaganza · 8th November 2020, 10:24 AM

yes, and changed up to the last possible moment.

Only someone certain that no one is going to check any of this would make up such a stupid CT.

Checkmite · 8th November 2020, 11:05 AM

Can't wait for the grand revelation that apparently no real ballots at all were cast in this election.

smartcooky · 8th November 2020, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

Can't wait for the grand revelation that apparently no real ballots at all were cast in this election.

Yep, the nutters are getting more and more desperate.

Next thing we'll see is bound to be a claim that there wasn't a real election, it was all faked, and everyone who turned up at the polling stations were "crisis voters".

timhau · 8th November 2020, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Yep, the nutters are getting more and more desperate.

Next thing we'll see is bound to be a claim that there wasn't a real election, it was all faked, and everyone who turned up at the polling stations were "crisis voters".

... paid for by President Pelosi, I assume.

Craig4 · 8th November 2020, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Mader Levap

WTF is this?

Apparently there is sting operation of Trump and Intelligence that watermarked all ballots (somehow, don't ask me). Data was provided by "MD, PhD, a highly qualified US government, a Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger" Steve Pieczenik.

Hmmm... is it just me or ballots are printed by each state separately?

Not by the state but by the county or city.

theprestige · 8th November 2020, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Mader Levap

WTF is this?

Apparently there is sting operation of Trump and Intelligence that watermarked all ballots (somehow, don't ask me). Data was provided by "MD, PhD, a highly qualified US government, a Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger" Steve Pieczenik.

Hmmm... is it just me or ballots are printed by each state separately?

"Apparently". Do you at least have a source, behind this rant?

Mader Levap · 8th November 2020, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

"Apparently". Do you at least have a source, behind this rant?

Only sources I have are from, obviously, conspiracy websites. Here is example.

smartcooky · 8th November 2020, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Mader Levap

Only sources I have are from, obviously, conspiracy websites. Here is example.

Or alternatively, people could just not be so lazy, and Google "QFS Blockchain election conspiracy". For me, this is the 4th result down on the page.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dhs-watermark-sting/

In effect, this conspiracy theory fails at the starting gate, because those who made it up have no ******* idea how the mechanics of US elections work. DHS would need to have to secretly infiltrated over 10,000 election administration jurisdictions, without getting caught.

Cavemonster · 8th November 2020, 06:52 PM

I expect the goal, like many things Trumpian, is to cloud the waters with quantity, not quality of conspiracy theories.

Their supporters will be left with a vague certainty he'd been robbed by a powerful deep state. People not paying attention will have a sense they heard the democrats cheated but won't remember specifics.

I don't think it's meant to actually overturn the election, but to fuel whatever his post election plans are, and to fuel the conspiracy theory centered base towards the next election.

smartcooky · 8th November 2020, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Cavemonster

I expect the goal, like many things Trumpian, is to cloud the waters with quantity, not quality of conspiracy theories.

Their supporters will be left with a vague certainty he'd been robbed by a powerful deep state. People not paying attention will have a sense they heard the democrats cheated but won't remember specifics.

I don't think it's meant to actually overturn the election, but to fuel whatever his post election plans are, and to fuel the conspiracy theory centered base towards the next election.

I think I smell a book coming on how the Deep State^TM were out to get him from from the beginning of his presidency. It will include claims that he was illegally spied on, all the investigations into him were fake and hoaxes, Russian interference was a hoax and the real interference came from Ukraine, Robert Mueller was paid off by the Dems etc etc, culminating in the presidency being stolen from him, and claiming he is still the "True President"

What I hope doesn't get forgotten in all this are the enablers. People like Bill Barr, Steve Mnuchin, Mark Esper, Stephen Miller, Mark Meadows and Robert O'Brien. Their names need to be dragged through the mud, and their reputations permanently ruined. Bill Barr I would like to see impeached so that he can never again hold an office of trust.

Bubba · 8th November 2020, 11:11 PM

Blockchain?

Maybe

Maybe not

Maybe this

smartcooky · 8th November 2020, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by Bubba

Blockchain?

Maybe

Maybe not

Maybe this

Bw... bw....bw... HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! That is just hilarious.

What a load of old cobblers. But then look at the source, Dennis Montgomery, Justice Watch and Faux News!!

ETA: Just a wee note for you Bubba, because you will almost certainly be completely ignorant of the facts around Dennis Montgomery - I doubt you even know who he is

Montgomery is the hoaxer took millions of dollars from the US Government by conning the Bush 43 administration into thinking he could detect terrorist signals in al Jazeera broadcasts. Seriously, the guy is a certifiable nutcase.

ETA2. The head of the U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency has called the claim about supercomputer election fraud “nonsense,” and urged Americans not to promote it.

https://twitter.com/CISAKrebs

Dave Rogers · 9th November 2020, 02:25 AM

What I find interesting about this one is its sociology. Rather like some aspects of the QAnon conspiracy theory, it seems to be part of a shift in the nature of the beast. Traditionally, conspiracy theories are about the Evil Jews taking over the world, we're all too stupid to see it, and the conspiracy theorist is the only one clever enough to see the obvious signs that a five year old could comprehend. These new theories, though, have more of a Prester John feel about them, claiming that although the forces of evil may seem in the ascendant, a hidden saviour is about to take the field with overwhelming forces to save the day. It seems that conspiracy theorists are becoming so despondent that they have to fantasise that the lurkers who support them in e-mail not only exist, but are about to assume control of the process any day now. The remarkable thing about these theories, rather like doomsday cults, is that they seem to be able to survive the non-occurrence of the event they are built around predicting. No doubt when Biden enters the White House there will still be people believing that this operation genuinely took place, detected all the frauds whose existence President Trump predicted, and is about to take action at the most effective moment, which for some reason just hasn't quite arrived yet. It'll be interesting to see if this one evolves.

Dave

dann · 9th November 2020, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

These new theories, though, have more of a Prester John feel about them, claiming that although the forces of evil may seem in the ascendant, a hidden saviour is about to take the field with overwhelming forces to save the day. It seems that conspiracy theorists are becoming so despondent that ...

O course, they're despondent. Their hidden savior has been out in the open for four years now, but the forces of evil are trying to steal the election that was meant to give him another four.

The Great Zaganza · 9th November 2020, 03:37 AM

All of the Interpretations of the Q-Scripture are an attempt to reconcile the Cognitive Dissonance of what Trump fans want the world to be and what they actually observe is happening.

If Q was a therapist, they would lock him up and throw away the key, an then throw away the prison.

smartcooky · 9th November 2020, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

What I find interesting about this one is its sociology. Rather like some aspects of the QAnon conspiracy theory, it seems to be part of a shift in the nature of the beast. Traditionally, conspiracy theories are about the Evil Jews taking over the world, we're all too stupid to see it, and the conspiracy theorist is the only one clever enough to see the obvious signs that a five year old could comprehend. These new theories, though, have more of a Prester John feel about them, claiming that although the forces of evil may seem in the ascendant, a hidden saviour is about to take the field with overwhelming forces to save the day. It seems that conspiracy theorists are becoming so despondent that they have to fantasise that the lurkers who support them in e-mail not only exist, but are about to assume control of the process any day now. The remarkable thing about these theories, rather like doomsday cults, is that they seem to be able to survive the non-occurrence of the event they are built around predicting. No doubt when Biden enters the White House there will still be people believing that this operation genuinely took place, detected all the frauds whose existence President Trump predicted, and is about to take action at the most effective moment, which for some reason just hasn't quite arrived yet. It'll be interesting to see if this one evolves.

Dave

Well, the no so "hidden saviour" is trying to use lawsuits as his "overwhelming forces"... currently, the scorecard reads 0 for 10... he's getting hammered.

Dave Rogers · 9th November 2020, 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Well, the no so "hidden saviour" is trying to use lawsuits as his "overwhelming forces"... currently, the scorecard reads 0 for 10... he's getting hammered.

Yes, which is an interesting twist. I wonder how the conspiracists interpret this - is he, in their world, actually failing, or is he pursuing a deeply complicated strategy in which he has to appear to lose all the lawsuits initially?

Dave

Checkmite · 9th November 2020, 10:50 AM

By the way, if any of you are reading the thread title and going "What is QFS?", allow me to tell you. QFS stands for "Quantum Financial System", a cryptocurrency scam peddled to conspiracy theorist-types invented by a guy named Charlie Ward, who is - not coincidentally - also the originator of this claim. He says that a second, parallel election was held using his QFS system which doesn't align with the public ballot election results and "proves" that Trump won and the above-water election was fixed, and claims this "blockchain" data is going to be used to expose the election fraud.

It's a bitcoin grift preying on Trump fans.

smartcooky · 9th November 2020, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

By the way, if any of you are reading the thread title and going "What is QFS?", allow me to tell you. QFS stands for "Quantum Financial System", a cryptocurrency scam peddled to conspiracy theorist-types invented by a guy named Charlie Ward, who is - not coincidentally - also the originator of this claim. He says that a second, parallel election was held using his QFS system which doesn't align with the public ballot election results and "proves" that Trump won and the above-water election was fixed, and claims this "blockchain" data is going to be used to expose the election fraud.

It's a bitcoin grift preying on Trump fans.

In fact the whole Trump claim that the election was rigged is a financial scam. The Trump campaign has been sending out hundreds of emails to supporters asking for money to fight this so-called election fraud.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/us-...Y3RVOXWL3ZB3A/

https://twitter.com/TrumpEmail/statu...RVOXWL3ZB3A%2F

Furthermore, when you read the fine print, you find that more that half the money isn't going to paying for fighting the alleged fraud, its going to Trump himself, for paying his presidential campaign debt.

Those who respond with money are just plain too dumb to realize they are being scammed.

BStrong · 9th November 2020, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Mader Levap

WTF is this?

Apparently there is sting operation of Trump and Intelligence that watermarked all ballots (somehow, don't ask me). Data was provided by "MD, PhD, a highly qualified US government, a Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger" Steve Pieczenik.

Hmmm... is it just me or ballots are printed by each state separately?

All you need to know about Pieczenik:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=299

BStrong · 9th November 2020, 12:56 PM

delete double post

Horatius · 9th November 2020, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

He says that a second, parallel election was held using his QFS system which doesn't align with the public ballot election results and "proves" that Trump won and the above-water election was fixed, and claims this "blockchain" data is going to be used to expose the election fraud.

Oooookay, so I can see how this was supposed to catch "illegal" voters. If you weren't properly registered to vote, you would only have one of the fake ballots, not the super-secret Bitcoin Ballots. Fine.

But the guys talking about this, who claim it's all true - did they stop to wonder why none of them got a Bitcoin Ballot? Did they all just tacitly accept that they weren't eligible for a "real" ballot?

And while we're at it: even if you believe the "millions of illegal voters" nonsense, you have to at least concede that there are tens of millions of actual, legal, eligible voters right? Wouldn't this require every one of them to have received a Bitcoin Ballot, in addition to receiving one of all those Fake Ballots that were publicly being counted?

Wouldn't this make this the largest conspiracy in history, in terms of the number of people who, of necessity, would have to have known about it, but kept quiet?

Gord_in_Toronto · 10th November 2020, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Oooookay, so I can see how this was supposed to catch "illegal" voters. If you weren't properly registered to vote, you would only have one of the fake ballots, not the super-secret Bitcoin Ballots. Fine.

But the guys talking about this, who claim it's all true - did they stop to wonder why none of them got a Bitcoin Ballot? Did they all just tacitly accept that they weren't eligible for a "real" ballot?

And while we're at it: even if you believe the "millions of illegal voters" nonsense, you have to at least concede that there are tens of millions of actual, legal, eligible voters right? Wouldn't this require every one of them to have received a Bitcoin Ballot, in addition to receiving one of all those Fake Ballots that were publicly being counted?

Wouldn't this make this the largest conspiracy in history, in terms of the number of people who, of necessity, would have to have known about it, but kept quiet?

STOP. BEING. REASONABLE. It doesn't work like that. See the sparkly lights?

smartcooky · 10th November 2020, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Oooookay, so I can see how this was supposed to catch "illegal" voters. If you weren't properly registered to vote, you would only have one of the fake ballots, not the super-secret Bitcoin Ballots. Fine.

But the guys talking about this, who claim it's all true - did they stop to wonder why none of them got a Bitcoin Ballot? Did they all just tacitly accept that they weren't eligible for a "real" ballot?

And while we're at it: even if you believe the "millions of illegal voters" nonsense, you have to at least concede that there are tens of millions of actual, legal, eligible voters right? Wouldn't this require every one of them to have received a Bitcoin Ballot, in addition to receiving one of all those Fake Ballots that were publicly being counted?

Wouldn't this make this the largest conspiracy in history, in terms of the number of people who, of necessity, would have to have known about it, but kept quiet?

Whether it not it would work if implemented is not really what's relevant. What IS relevant is that it would be nigh on impossible to implement in the first place.

The whole conspiracy theory is based on some agency having got access to the process of printing ballots and substituting watermarked paper for whatever was being used. If ballot papers were produced at some central location for the whole country, then it just might be feasible, but they are not. US ballots are produced by state and county election officials at over 10,000 locations across the country. A DNS sting operation would have needed to secretly gain access to all of them, without being detected.

Whoever made up this BS CT lacks a fundamental understanding of how US election ballots are produced and managed.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN27N0GN

Chris Krebs, director of the Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), the federal agency responsible for protecting the nation’s critical infrastructure from cyber threats, has ruled out any possibility that this could have happened...

In what he called a “Rumor Control Update,” Krebs said, “Don’t fall for these efforts to confuse & undermine confidence in the election!” He explained that social media posts claiming that “DHS or CISA printed paper ballots with security measures and is auditing results as a countermeasure against ballot counterfeiting” were baseless. In reality, he wrote, “The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) do not design or audit ballots, which are processes managed by state and local election officials.”

RolandRat · 11th November 2020, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by Mader Levap

Only sources I have are from, obviously, conspiracy websites. Here is example.

One of the comments from there:

"I believe that there was a secret mission set up by Trump last year. He has been talking about voter fraud for a long time, and throughout this year. A light bulb went off in my head and it dawned on me, that COVID was secretly used as a weapon against us by China, through the Democratic party, to secure a Democratic victory in the 2020 election., and simultaneously set up a global pandemic in conjunction with the WHO..which people I'm sure realize by now.

The thing is though, Trump has prepared for Nov 3 since his first day in office..I believe the name COVID-19 is a secret code that stands for Covert Operation Voter Identification and it was set up last year in 2019. It is Trump's counter-attack against the deep state and against their attempts to remove him from office via voter fraud...What do you think?"

SteveAitch · 11th November 2020, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by RolandRat

One of the comments from there:

"I believe that there was a secret mission set up by Trump last year. He has been talking about voter fraud for a long time, and throughout this year. A light bulb went off in my head and it dawned on me, that COVID was secretly used as a weapon against us by China, through the Democratic party, to secure a Democratic victory in the 2020 election., and simultaneously set up a global pandemic in conjunction with the WHO..which people I'm sure realize by now.

The thing is though, Trump has prepared for Nov 3 since his first day in office..I believe the name COVID-19 is a secret code that stands for Covert Operation Voter Identification and it was set up last year in 2019. It is Trump's counter-attack against the deep state and against their attempts to remove him from office via voter fraud...What do you think?"

Er, COVID is a Chinese thing, but Donald got to name it? Huh?

The Great Zaganza · 11th November 2020, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by SteveAitch

Er, COVID is a Chinese thing, but Donald got to name it? Huh?

Yep.
Plans COVID 1 to 18 all failed, though COVID 11 had some interesting results.

Mader Levap · 11th November 2020, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by SteveAitch

Er, COVID is a Chinese thing, but Donald got to name it? Huh?

No, apparently there are two secret plans, one against Trump and one for Trump. That they have exactly same codename is probably coincidence.

Horatius · 18th November 2020, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Yep.
Plans COVID 1 to 18 all failed, though COVID 11 had some interesting results.

Originally Posted by Mader Levap

No, apparently there are two secret plans, one against Trump and one for Trump. That they have exactly same codename is probably coincidence.

There's not enough Ds in your chess!

Trump sent the team of American doctors into CHI-na to "help" the CHI-knees "engineer" a virus. But instead of helping them engineer a virus that would kill 2 million Americans, they made it so it would only kill 250,000 Americans, thus saving millions of lives! Then Trump "pulled" the doctors out of CHY-nA! so they wouldn't be in danger when CHIIIIIIna found out they'd been duped.

Trump then tricked them into using the name COVID just so they'd know they'd been duped!

8th November 2020, 09:58 AM	#1
Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,576	QFS-Blockchain conspiracy WTF is this? Apparently there is sting operation of Trump and Intelligence that watermarked all ballots (somehow, don't ask me). Data was provided by "MD, PhD, a highly qualified US government, a Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger" Steve Pieczenik. Hmmm... is it just me or ballots are printed by each state separately?
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8th November 2020, 10:24 AM	#2
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,671	yes, and changed up to the last possible moment. Only someone certain that no one is going to check any of this would make up such a stupid CT.
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8th November 2020, 11:05 AM	#3
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 26,392	Can't wait for the grand revelation that apparently no real ballots at all were cast in this election.
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8th November 2020, 11:27 AM	#4
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 16,799	Originally Posted by Checkmite Can't wait for the grand revelation that apparently no real ballots at all were cast in this election. Yep, the nutters are getting more and more desperate. Next thing we'll see is bound to be a claim that there wasn't a real election, it was all faked, and everyone who turned up at the polling stations were "crisis voters".
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8th November 2020, 12:39 PM	#5
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: Looks like Finland. Smells like Finland. Quacks like Finland. Where the hell am I? Posts: 14,473	Originally Posted by smartcooky Yep, the nutters are getting more and more desperate. Next thing we'll see is bound to be a claim that there wasn't a real election, it was all faked, and everyone who turned up at the polling stations were "crisis voters". ... paid for by President Pelosi, I assume.
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8th November 2020, 01:10 PM	#6
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,580	Originally Posted by Mader Levap WTF is this? Apparently there is sting operation of Trump and Intelligence that watermarked all ballots (somehow, don't ask me). Data was provided by "MD, PhD, a highly qualified US government, a Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger" Steve Pieczenik. Hmmm... is it just me or ballots are printed by each state separately? Not by the state but by the county or city.

8th November 2020, 03:14 PM	#7
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 49,650	Originally Posted by Mader Levap WTF is this? Apparently there is sting operation of Trump and Intelligence that watermarked all ballots (somehow, don't ask me). Data was provided by "MD, PhD, a highly qualified US government, a Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger" Steve Pieczenik. Hmmm... is it just me or ballots are printed by each state separately? "Apparently". Do you at least have a source, behind this rant?

8th November 2020, 03:41 PM	#8
Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,576	Originally Posted by theprestige "Apparently". Do you at least have a source, behind this rant? Only sources I have are from, obviously, conspiracy websites. Here is example.
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8th November 2020, 04:42 PM	#9
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 16,799	Originally Posted by Mader Levap Only sources I have are from, obviously, conspiracy websites. Here is example. Or alternatively, people could just not be so lazy, and Google "QFS Blockchain election conspiracy". For me, this is the 4th result down on the page. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dhs-watermark-sting/ In effect, this conspiracy theory fails at the starting gate, because those who made it up have no ******* idea how the mechanics of US elections work. DHS would need to have to secretly infiltrated over 10,000 election administration jurisdictions, without getting caught.
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8th November 2020, 06:52 PM	#10
Cavemonster Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 6,519	I expect the goal, like many things Trumpian, is to cloud the waters with quantity, not quality of conspiracy theories. Their supporters will be left with a vague certainty he'd been robbed by a powerful deep state. People not paying attention will have a sense they heard the democrats cheated but won't remember specifics. I don't think it's meant to actually overturn the election, but to fuel whatever his post election plans are, and to fuel the conspiracy theory centered base towards the next election.
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8th November 2020, 08:58 PM	#11
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 16,799	Originally Posted by Cavemonster I expect the goal, like many things Trumpian, is to cloud the waters with quantity, not quality of conspiracy theories. Their supporters will be left with a vague certainty he'd been robbed by a powerful deep state. People not paying attention will have a sense they heard the democrats cheated but won't remember specifics. I don't think it's meant to actually overturn the election, but to fuel whatever his post election plans are, and to fuel the conspiracy theory centered base towards the next election. I think I smell a book coming on how the Deep State^TM were out to get him from from the beginning of his presidency. It will include claims that he was illegally spied on, all the investigations into him were fake and hoaxes, Russian interference was a hoax and the real interference came from Ukraine, Robert Mueller was paid off by the Dems etc etc, culminating in the presidency being stolen from him, and claiming he is still the "True President" What I hope doesn't get forgotten in all this are the enablers. People like Bill Barr, Steve Mnuchin, Mark Esper, Stephen Miller, Mark Meadows and Robert O'Brien. Their names need to be dragged through the mud, and their reputations permanently ruined. Bill Barr I would like to see impeached so that he can never again hold an office of trust.
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8th November 2020, 11:11 PM	#12
Bubba Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 5,247	Blockchain? Maybe Maybe not Maybe this
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8th November 2020, 11:24 PM	#13
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 16,799	Originally Posted by Bubba Blockchain? Maybe Maybe not Maybe this Bw... bw....bw... HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! That is just hilarious. What a load of old cobblers. But then look at the source, Dennis Montgomery, Justice Watch and Faux News!! ETA: Just a wee note for you Bubba, because you will almost certainly be completely ignorant of the facts around Dennis Montgomery - I doubt you even know who he is Montgomery is the hoaxer took millions of dollars from the US Government by conning the Bush 43 administration into thinking he could detect terrorist signals in al Jazeera broadcasts. Seriously, the guy is a certifiable nutcase. ETA2. The head of the U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency has called the claim about supercomputer election fraud “nonsense,” and urged Americans not to promote it. https://twitter.com/CISAKrebs
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9th November 2020, 02:25 AM	#14
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 32,368	What I find interesting about this one is its sociology. Rather like some aspects of the QAnon conspiracy theory, it seems to be part of a shift in the nature of the beast. Traditionally, conspiracy theories are about the Evil Jews taking over the world, we're all too stupid to see it, and the conspiracy theorist is the only one clever enough to see the obvious signs that a five year old could comprehend. These new theories, though, have more of a Prester John feel about them, claiming that although the forces of evil may seem in the ascendant, a hidden saviour is about to take the field with overwhelming forces to save the day. It seems that conspiracy theorists are becoming so despondent that they have to fantasise that the lurkers who support them in e-mail not only exist, but are about to assume control of the process any day now. The remarkable thing about these theories, rather like doomsday cults, is that they seem to be able to survive the non-occurrence of the event they are built around predicting. No doubt when Biden enters the White House there will still be people believing that this operation genuinely took place, detected all the frauds whose existence President Trump predicted, and is about to take action at the most effective moment, which for some reason just hasn't quite arrived yet. It'll be interesting to see if this one evolves. Dave
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9th November 2020, 03:23 AM	#15
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 13,597	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers These new theories, though, have more of a Prester John feel about them, claiming that although the forces of evil may seem in the ascendant, a hidden saviour is about to take the field with overwhelming forces to save the day. It seems that conspiracy theorists are becoming so despondent that ... O course, they're despondent. Their hidden savior has been out in the open for four years now, but the forces of evil are trying to steal the election that was meant to give him another four.
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9th November 2020, 03:37 AM	#16
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,671	All of the Interpretations of the Q-Scripture are an attempt to reconcile the Cognitive Dissonance of what Trump fans want the world to be and what they actually observe is happening. If Q was a therapist, they would lock him up and throw away the key, an then throw away the prison.
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9th November 2020, 03:50 AM	#17
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 16,799	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers What I find interesting about this one is its sociology. Rather like some aspects of the QAnon conspiracy theory, it seems to be part of a shift in the nature of the beast. Traditionally, conspiracy theories are about the Evil Jews taking over the world, we're all too stupid to see it, and the conspiracy theorist is the only one clever enough to see the obvious signs that a five year old could comprehend. These new theories, though, have more of a Prester John feel about them, claiming that although the forces of evil may seem in the ascendant, a hidden saviour is about to take the field with overwhelming forces to save the day. It seems that conspiracy theorists are becoming so despondent that they have to fantasise that the lurkers who support them in e-mail not only exist, but are about to assume control of the process any day now. The remarkable thing about these theories, rather like doomsday cults, is that they seem to be able to survive the non-occurrence of the event they are built around predicting. No doubt when Biden enters the White House there will still be people believing that this operation genuinely took place, detected all the frauds whose existence President Trump predicted, and is about to take action at the most effective moment, which for some reason just hasn't quite arrived yet. It'll be interesting to see if this one evolves. Dave Well, the no so "hidden saviour" is trying to use lawsuits as his "overwhelming forces"... currently, the scorecard reads 0 for 10... he's getting hammered.
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9th November 2020, 04:23 AM	#18
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 32,368	Originally Posted by smartcooky Well, the no so "hidden saviour" is trying to use lawsuits as his "overwhelming forces"... currently, the scorecard reads 0 for 10... he's getting hammered. Yes, which is an interesting twist. I wonder how the conspiracists interpret this - is he, in their world, actually failing, or is he pursuing a deeply complicated strategy in which he has to appear to lose all the lawsuits initially? Dave
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9th November 2020, 10:50 AM	#19
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 26,392	By the way, if any of you are reading the thread title and going "What is QFS?", allow me to tell you. QFS stands for "Quantum Financial System", a cryptocurrency scam peddled to conspiracy theorist-types invented by a guy named Charlie Ward, who is - not coincidentally - also the originator of this claim. He says that a second, parallel election was held using his QFS system which doesn't align with the public ballot election results and "proves" that Trump won and the above-water election was fixed, and claims this "blockchain" data is going to be used to expose the election fraud. It's a bitcoin grift preying on Trump fans.
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9th November 2020, 10:58 AM	#20
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 16,799	Originally Posted by Checkmite By the way, if any of you are reading the thread title and going "What is QFS?", allow me to tell you. QFS stands for "Quantum Financial System", a cryptocurrency scam peddled to conspiracy theorist-types invented by a guy named Charlie Ward, who is - not coincidentally - also the originator of this claim. He says that a second, parallel election was held using his QFS system which doesn't align with the public ballot election results and "proves" that Trump won and the above-water election was fixed, and claims this "blockchain" data is going to be used to expose the election fraud. It's a bitcoin grift preying on Trump fans. In fact the whole Trump claim that the election was rigged is a financial scam. The Trump campaign has been sending out hundreds of emails to supporters asking for money to fight this so-called election fraud. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/us-...Y3RVOXWL3ZB3A/ https://twitter.com/TrumpEmail/statu...RVOXWL3ZB3A%2F Furthermore, when you read the fine print, you find that more that half the money isn't going to paying for fighting the alleged fraud, its going to Trump himself, for paying his presidential campaign debt. Those who respond with money are just plain too dumb to realize they are being scammed.
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9th November 2020, 12:20 PM	#21
BStrong Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: San Francisco Posts: 13,080	Originally Posted by Mader Levap WTF is this? Apparently there is sting operation of Trump and Intelligence that watermarked all ballots (somehow, don't ask me). Data was provided by "MD, PhD, a highly qualified US government, a Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger" Steve Pieczenik. Hmmm... is it just me or ballots are printed by each state separately? All you need to know about Pieczenik: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=299
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9th November 2020, 12:56 PM	#22
BStrong Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: San Francisco Posts: 13,080	delete double post
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9th November 2020, 10:39 PM	#23
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,026	Originally Posted by Checkmite He says that a second, parallel election was held using his QFS system which doesn't align with the public ballot election results and "proves" that Trump won and the above-water election was fixed, and claims this "blockchain" data is going to be used to expose the election fraud. Oooookay, so I can see how this was supposed to catch "illegal" voters. If you weren't properly registered to vote, you would only have one of the fake ballots, not the super-secret Bitcoin Ballots. Fine. But the guys talking about this, who claim it's all true - did they stop to wonder why none of them got a Bitcoin Ballot? Did they all just tacitly accept that they weren't eligible for a "real" ballot? And while we're at it: even if you believe the "millions of illegal voters" nonsense, you have to at least concede that there are tens of millions of actual, legal, eligible voters right? Wouldn't this require every one of them to have received a Bitcoin Ballot, in addition to receiving one of all those Fake Ballots that were publicly being counted? Wouldn't this make this the largest conspiracy in history, in terms of the number of people who, of necessity, would have to have known about it, but kept quiet?
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10th November 2020, 05:19 AM	#24
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,414	Originally Posted by Horatius Oooookay, so I can see how this was supposed to catch "illegal" voters. If you weren't properly registered to vote, you would only have one of the fake ballots, not the super-secret Bitcoin Ballots. Fine. But the guys talking about this, who claim it's all true - did they stop to wonder why none of them got a Bitcoin Ballot? Did they all just tacitly accept that they weren't eligible for a "real" ballot? And while we're at it: even if you believe the "millions of illegal voters" nonsense, you have to at least concede that there are tens of millions of actual, legal, eligible voters right? Wouldn't this require every one of them to have received a Bitcoin Ballot, in addition to receiving one of all those Fake Ballots that were publicly being counted? Wouldn't this make this the largest conspiracy in history, in terms of the number of people who, of necessity, would have to have known about it, but kept quiet? STOP. BEING. REASONABLE. It doesn't work like that. See the sparkly lights?
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10th November 2020, 11:49 AM	#25
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 16,799	Originally Posted by Horatius Oooookay, so I can see how this was supposed to catch "illegal" voters. If you weren't properly registered to vote, you would only have one of the fake ballots, not the super-secret Bitcoin Ballots. Fine. But the guys talking about this, who claim it's all true - did they stop to wonder why none of them got a Bitcoin Ballot? Did they all just tacitly accept that they weren't eligible for a "real" ballot? And while we're at it: even if you believe the "millions of illegal voters" nonsense, you have to at least concede that there are tens of millions of actual, legal, eligible voters right? Wouldn't this require every one of them to have received a Bitcoin Ballot, in addition to receiving one of all those Fake Ballots that were publicly being counted? Wouldn't this make this the largest conspiracy in history, in terms of the number of people who, of necessity, would have to have known about it, but kept quiet? Whether it not it would work if implemented is not really what's relevant. What IS relevant is that it would be nigh on impossible to implement in the first place. The whole conspiracy theory is based on some agency having got access to the process of printing ballots and substituting watermarked paper for whatever was being used. If ballot papers were produced at some central location for the whole country, then it just might be feasible, but they are not. US ballots are produced by state and county election officials at over 10,000 locations across the country. A DNS sting operation would have needed to secretly gain access to all of them, without being detected. Whoever made up this BS CT lacks a fundamental understanding of how US election ballots are produced and managed. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN27N0GN Chris Krebs, director of the Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), the federal agency responsible for protecting the nation’s critical infrastructure from cyber threats, has ruled out any possibility that this could have happened... In what he called a “Rumor Control Update,” Krebs said, “Don’t fall for these efforts to confuse & undermine confidence in the election!” He explained that social media posts claiming that “DHS or CISA printed paper ballots with security measures and is auditing results as a countermeasure against ballot counterfeiting” were baseless. In reality, he wrote, “The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) do not design or audit ballots, which are processes managed by state and local election officials.”
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11th November 2020, 07:08 AM	#26
RolandRat Muse Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 925	Originally Posted by Mader Levap Only sources I have are from, obviously, conspiracy websites. Here is example. One of the comments from there: "I believe that there was a secret mission set up by Trump last year. He has been talking about voter fraud for a long time, and throughout this year. A light bulb went off in my head and it dawned on me, that COVID was secretly used as a weapon against us by China, through the Democratic party, to secure a Democratic victory in the 2020 election., and simultaneously set up a global pandemic in conjunction with the WHO..which people I'm sure realize by now. The thing is though, Trump has prepared for Nov 3 since his first day in office..I believe the name COVID-19 is a secret code that stands for Covert Operation Voter Identification and it was set up last year in 2019. It is Trump's counter-attack against the deep state and against their attempts to remove him from office via voter fraud...What do you think?"
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11th November 2020, 08:42 AM	#27
SteveAitch Thinker Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: St Aines Posts: 127	Originally Posted by RolandRat One of the comments from there: "I believe that there was a secret mission set up by Trump last year. He has been talking about voter fraud for a long time, and throughout this year. A light bulb went off in my head and it dawned on me, that COVID was secretly used as a weapon against us by China, through the Democratic party, to secure a Democratic victory in the 2020 election., and simultaneously set up a global pandemic in conjunction with the WHO..which people I'm sure realize by now. The thing is though, Trump has prepared for Nov 3 since his first day in office..I believe the name COVID-19 is a secret code that stands for Covert Operation Voter Identification and it was set up last year in 2019. It is Trump's counter-attack against the deep state and against their attempts to remove him from office via voter fraud...What do you think?" Er, COVID is a Chinese thing, but Donald got to name it? Huh?

11th November 2020, 09:15 AM	#28
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,671	Originally Posted by SteveAitch Er, COVID is a Chinese thing, but Donald got to name it? Huh? Yep. Plans COVID 1 to 18 all failed, though COVID 11 had some interesting results.
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11th November 2020, 09:29 AM	#29
Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,576	Originally Posted by SteveAitch Er, COVID is a Chinese thing, but Donald got to name it? Huh? No, apparently there are two secret plans, one against Trump and one for Trump. That they have exactly same codename is probably coincidence.
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18th November 2020, 08:34 AM	#30
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,026	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Yep. Plans COVID 1 to 18 all failed, though COVID 11 had some interesting results. Originally Posted by Mader Levap No, apparently there are two secret plans, one against Trump and one for Trump. That they have exactly same codename is probably coincidence. There's not enough Ds in your chess! Trump sent the team of American doctors into CHI-na to "help" the CHI-knees "engineer" a virus. But instead of helping them engineer a virus that would kill 2 million Americans, they made it so it would only kill 250,000 Americans, thus saving millions of lives! Then Trump "pulled" the doctors out of CHY-nA! so they wouldn't be in danger when CHIIIIIIna found out they'd been duped. Trump then tricked them into using the name COVID just so they'd know they'd been duped!
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