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Old 23rd December 2015, 04:30 PM   #41
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The e-voting system in Argentina is the sort of thing Tom Scott in the video above dismisses as "Congratulations, you've just invented the world's most expensive pencil."

And instead of being unbeatable, is something that has quite a few security vulnerabilities. It is great that one can check the electronic vote with a vote printed on the ballot, but if anyone with a mobile phone can read (good bye secret ballot) the vote cast from a distance, or even alter the vote stored on the chip, or have more than one vote stored, you might as well not bother to use the electronics.

It would help if security experts can freely report any vulnerabilities they find and not be harrassed by the police. Source code should be open for inspection instead of proprietary and it certainly doesn't inspire much confidence if the compay that made the machines lies about important technical details:
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In a matter of days, the voting system’s source code was leaked, revealing that the actual voting machines were regular personal computers running Linux. However, the manufacturer MSA that had previously won the government’s tender for setting up the e-voting system in the city claimed that the machines were no actual computers with any memory or storage capacity – and thus almost impossible to hack.
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Old 23rd December 2015, 05:58 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by Earthborn View Post
The e-voting system in Argentina is the sort of thing Tom Scott in the video above dismisses as "Congratulations, you've just invented the world's most expensive pencil."
I have no evidence from that video that this Tom Scott person has ever known or considered all the political consequences of the system I've already listed -and they were just a part of them, as the subject is not usually of interest for an English speaking public- so I can care less about what he may say campaigning for whatever he's campaigning.

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And instead of being unbeatable, is something that has quite a few security vulnerabilities. It is great that one can check the electronic vote with a vote printed on the ballot, but if anyone with a mobile phone can read (good bye secret ballot) the vote cast from a distance, or even alter the vote stored on the chip, or have more than one vote stored, you might as well not bother to use the electronics.
If more than one vote is stored the machine act and the cardboard count doesn't match, so the station is dismissed in the quick tally and a manual recount takes the place of the electronic act so, what's the use? to have the public confounded by a couple of days?

The act of voting in the current and the old system are currently accessed by micro-cameras without a doubt in a number of cases and I don't think anybody is trying to identify the individual votes. Anyway that is a federal criminal offence and all of them have exemplary jail times. In fact, telling here who you are going to vote or having a badge while you are in line is also a minor offence that makes you lose your vote and be heavily fined or arrested for a short period of time. Voters here kill time talking about the weather while they wait to cast their vote (Not long queues with the new system, at most the previous voter).

The system keeps privacy as much as privacy is a social value and an input of a clean process, not an individual good. Nobody cares who you vote. It is your right to vote whoever you want and to make your rectum into a safe or a medicine cabinet if that is your wish, as we say often here. You're entitled to that.

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It would help if security experts can freely report any vulnerabilities they find and not be harrassed by the police. Source code should be open for inspection instead of proprietary and it certainly doesn't inspire much confidence if the compay that made the machines lies about important technical details:
They took action against someone attacking district level security -not computer security problems-. To be clear, the supposed "good person" didn't declare that there was an undisclosed problem with the launching code of nuclear missiles and communicate the exact problem to the defence authority like any concerned citizen would have done. The "good person" published how to access the launching codes via that flaw for anybody to exploit it. The judges saw for those malicious actions to be as inconsequential as possible. It's just the I-want-to-be-compared-to-Edward-Snowden syndrome that many suffer, including ridiculous thirdworldites. The "good person" only had right to publish the exact flaw and take credit for that once it was solved or the election ended -what happened first-. But the temptations of reaching the front page of newspapers and being interviewed in the 8pm news were very strong, specially when you're campaigning for something and there's a monetary incentive (look below)

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And instead of being unbeatable, is something that has quite a few security vulnerabilities.
That article is exactly as a documentary of The History Channel: it takes fragments of reality and rearrange them with a narrative to tell any wished story and sell any kind of advocacy but reality.

The bit "Meanwhile, in Argentina, the debate is still open." is ridiculously funny because it's true, but not for the reason the article tries to force the reader to infer from it. It's as simple as governor Urtubey, from Salta, was smart enough to have the voting system of his province clarified and yet he won the election -not by a gigantic margin- so he can show he is the new, honest, modern, democratic Peronism. A lot of governors of surrounding provinces will object in every available way and pay "good people" to sow misinformation. The eternal governor of Formosa was reelected for the sixth time with the most corrupt available system where people is driven like cattle to vote for their overlord, and even the distribution of drinking water stops in certain regions until a favourable result is obtained. In many cases people's ids were used to vote in their name. This governor whose province paid some 7 million dollars to our former vice-president (currently accused and soon to be indicted in several cases of corruption) for financial advice about a provincial debt not extremely larger than those very 7 million. I have no problem of seeing him and others like him paying good money for the electronic vote to be criticized as any of its flavours, flawless or flawful, almost guarantees him not having a seventh period as governor.

So, expect the debate to continue until the last feudal overlord has fallen. And don't call it "defects and perils of the electronic voting system" but (in trully Trumpian crass English) "they were schlong-going people left and right, today and yesterday and they fear retaliation". Go to exploit a different country to feed your pet advocacy.
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