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Old 11th October 2019, 04:38 PM   #1
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Pointing a finger gun lands 12-year-old Johnson County student in handcuffs

This is a perfect example of how not to increase support for Gun Control.


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A 12-year-old Overland Park girl formed a gun with her fingers, pointed at four of her Westridge Middle School classmates one at a time, and then turned the pretend weapon toward herself.


Police hauled her out of school in handcuffs, arrested her and charged the child with a felony for threatening.


Shawnee Mission school officials said they could not discuss the case, citing privacy laws, but did say it wasn’t the district that arrested the child.
“We don’t do that,” said spokesman David Smith. “That is not our job.” He said the role of the district police is “not to enforce the law but to keep kids and adults safe.”

https://www.kansascity.com/news/loca...235891762.html
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Old 11th October 2019, 05:29 PM   #2
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Oh. That just makes me tired. Really, it's come to this?
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Kind of inevitable really given the situation.
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Old 11th October 2019, 06:25 PM   #4
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Oh for **** sake. Do nothing about real guns, but arrest a kid doing something I’ll bet every kid in the world has done.

Some will enter this thread and defend the arrest, which is even more troubling.
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Old 11th October 2019, 06:43 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Kind of inevitable really given the situation.
Inevitable? For pointing fingers?

You simply can’t be serious. Police have discretion, even if this childish act can, in some crazy universe, be described as “threatening”.
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Old 11th October 2019, 07:44 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Inevitable? For pointing fingers?

You simply can’t be serious. Police have discretion, even if this childish act can, in some crazy universe, be described as “threatening”.

If you have stupidly large amounts of school shootings and no proper controls on gun availability, people will go one of 2 ways.

They will go external and stop any guns getting in with every effort imaginable, like actual entrance screenings

Or they will go loopy and go internal and end up over reacting to anything remotely gun like in the the school.

Both just get upped as there are more and paranoia sets in.

So you either end up with metal detectors and bullying school police, or doing stupid things when kids play gun fight (which is normal)
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Old 11th October 2019, 07:53 PM   #8
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Actually I forgot the 3rd

They arm all the staff and more kids end up dying from panicky idiot teachers who shouldn't be trusted with a pen, let alone a gun.

This has been talked about, but thankfully hasn't been taken up.
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Old 11th October 2019, 07:59 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Inevitable? For pointing fingers?

You simply can’t be serious. Police have discretion, even if this childish act can, in some crazy universe, be described as “threatening”.
In the context (that we know of at the moment) the teacher is totally responsible for this escalating.

The child didn’t, out of the blue, walk up to her classmates and point her finger.
According to the account in the OP link, the children were involved in a classroom discussion. We’re not told about what.
But we are told that she was asked, during a supervised classroom discussion, “who would you shoot?”

Mitigating circumstances as to “intent” as far as I’m concerned.
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And if the the little scamp actually did go on to waste her classmates, everyone would be screaming about not seeing the signs.

Offended and threatened. Welcome to The USA.
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Old 11th October 2019, 08:44 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by AJM8125 View Post
And if the the little scamp actually did go on to waste her classmates, everyone would be screaming about not seeing the signs.

Offended and threatened. Welcome to The USA.
As I said earlier, which kid hasn't pointed a gun finger at another kid? Should they all be arrested?
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Old 11th October 2019, 09:50 PM   #12
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Should they all be arrested?
Of course not.

No more than I'd expect a 12 year old to be arrested for calling a classmate a pussy, even though this seems to be the direction we're headed in.
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When I was a kid we would dress up with cowboy hats and shoot each other with toy guns. Is that still allowed?
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Old 11th October 2019, 10:32 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by Ulf Nereng View Post
When I was a kid we would dress up with cowboy hats and shoot each other with toy guns. Is that still allowed?
Would think in some schools in the US given this, a piece of wood imaginatively turned into a gun would be separation from parents
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Old 11th October 2019, 11:34 PM   #15
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Would think in some schools in the US given this, a piece of wood imaginatively turned into a gun would be separation from parents
Serves the little **** Millennials right!
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Would think in some schools in the US given this, a piece of wood imaginatively turned into a gun would be separation from parents
Evidence for this rubbish?
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Evidence for this rubbish?
This thread
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
This thread
One example in a country of 300 million is evidence of nothing. And this example wasn’t about wood shaped into a gun.

But keep on posting without thinking.
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
One example in a country of 300 million is evidence of nothing. And this example wasn’t about wood shaped into a gun.

But keep on posting without thinking.
The only thing I see is over reaction to what is not a problem.

But keep telling your self the teachers aren't reacting as I described
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And btw

In the same article there is another
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Old 12th October 2019, 05:04 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
The only thing I see is over reaction to what is not a problem.



But keep telling your self the teachers aren't reacting as I described
Teachers can't arrest people.
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They can if they're Police Academy teachers!
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Originally Posted by shemp View Post
They can if they're Police Academy teachers!
Was thinking a bit more about this and I think the teachers are rather overreacting by calling the police in for what should be a school disciplinary matter. The teacher should have drawn their "teacher's pet" and just shot kid behaving in this way. Saves the police the time and expense.
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Serves the little **** Millennials right!
There are no high school age Millenials.

*the more you know*
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Evidence for this rubbish?
The school is legally not allowed to give information that might explain the seemingly crazy reaction. We don’t know if this student has a history of threatening violence or inflicting it.

On its face this a gross overreaction.
Unless charges are pressed and a trial happens we will never know.

I’m at about 75% that it is a typically cowardly reaction to imagined fears.
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
There are no high school age Millenials.

*the more you know*

I was talking about the little goodie-2-shoes teachers that ratted her out. Boom!
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The school is legally not allowed to give information that might explain the seemingly crazy reaction. We don’t know if this student has a history of threatening violence or inflicting it.

On its face this a gross overreaction.
Unless charges are pressed and a trial happens we will never know.

I’m at about 75% that it is a typically cowardly reaction to imagined fears.

She better stop mouthing off.

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He said his granddaughter has no access to a real gun and she had no intent of harming anyone. “She was just mouthing off,” he said.

Read more here: https://www.kansascity.com/news/loca...#storylink=cpy
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Parents are getting a little over-protective. When I was half her age, I had an imaginary machine gun.
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Parents are getting a little over-protective. When I was half her age, I had an imaginary machine gun.
When we were a couple of years older than her we were having play fights with bits of pencil in actual slug guns.

Times change I guess.
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When we were a couple of years older than her we were having play fights with bits of pencil in actual slug guns.

Times change I guess.
When I was little, we used to fence with my mother's knitting needles, occasionally drawing blood when carving the letter 'Z' on our opponent's chest, Zorro-style.

We'd probably go to reform school for that these days. I don't envy today's kids their bubble-wrapped and over-supervised childhoods.
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And if the the little scamp actually did go on to waste her classmates, everyone would be screaming about not seeing the signs.

Offended and threatened. Welcome to The USA.
Having the cops haul a 12 year old away from the school in cuffs is a totally proportional response to them threatening others, even if it was in jest.

Besides, I continue to be astonished by how liberally American police use hand-cuffs and arrest/detain people for no good reason. It's like there's a rule that if someone is suspected of having committed a crime they have to be arrested, even if was just shoplifting a can coca-cola.

It's reslly no wonder so many people want to kill the cops.
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Having the cops haul a 12 year old away from the school in cuffs is a totally proportional response to them threatening others, even if it was in jest.

Besides, I continue to be astonished by how liberally American police use hand-cuffs and arrest/detain people for no good reason. It's like there's a rule that if someone is suspected of having committed a crime they have to be arrested, even if was just shoplifting a can coca-cola.

It's reslly no wonder so many people want to kill the cops.
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When I was little, we used to fence with my mother's knitting needles, occasionally drawing blood when carving the letter 'Z' on our opponent's chest, Zorro-style.

We'd probably go to reform school for that these days. I don't envy today's kids their bubble-wrapped and over-supervised childhoods.
Lol

Wish we had thought of that
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I got a kid in trouble when he mimed shooting me and I think it was totally appropriate. I told the principal, she called the kid in and I think Mom was involved. She was a really nice person.

He was 8. Smart and very self-possessed for his age. Also I had reason to suspect he had antisocial tendencies, but I don't remember why I thought so. He or his mom may have told me he'd been kicked out of another school. The incident generated a record that he had been warned.

It didn't occur to anyone to call the cops.
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If the cops were called over a similar incident in Australia I’m certain they would have had a quiet word with the child and a parent and a much louder word with the teacher and principal for wasting police time. There would certainly be no arrest.
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When we were a couple of years older than her we were having play fights with bits of pencil in actual slug guns.

Times change I guess.
Pffff! We used to fight with axes!
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Pffff! We used to fight with axes!
Luxury! In my day we had full scale tan battles in the classroom and Little Timmy got blown to bits on anti-personnel mine. There were no namby pamby calls to the police. It was character-building!
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Pffff! We used to fight with axes!
Youre lucky, I was never axed to join in.
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How fun it must be being a child in America these days. No bikes. No outside. Can't go anywhere without supervision. No football/hockey in the road ("CAR!!!"). Playdates! Can't play "army" and shoot each other. People don't get drivers licenses til they're 25, and they never move out.

I think I'm glad I'm getting old.
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