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Skyeagle/Aubrey has seen Kent Jeffrey's stuff. I posted it explicitly for him 20+ years ago. He's probably even corresponded with Jeffrey. He has been at this for at least 20 years, probably much longer. At least he doesn't quote liar Glenn Dennis or non-extant Naomi Self any longer. Every time we'd drill down on the specifics of Jeffrey's thoughts on Roswell, Skyeagle409 would respond with something about RAF Bentwaters (Rendlesham Forest) Kirtland, Teheran or Belgium or some other incident. If we would then talked about RAF Bentwaters, he'd switch back to Roswell. Getting him to focus was like nailing jelly to a wall. |
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This isn't our first Gay Rodeo.
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"Such reports are usually based on the sighting of something the sighters cannot explain and that they (or someone else on their behalf) explain as representing an interstellar spaceship-often by saying "But what else can it be?" as though thier own ignorance is a decisive factor." Isaac Asimov |
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Here is Ray Harryhausen's 1949 test footage for his alien UFO film War of the Worlds. As George Pal made War of the Worlds in 1953, Ray Harryhausen made "Earth VS the Flying Saucers" instead.
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Every US Government UFO Investigation Ever:
Forms a group to investigate made up of scientists and military people. Investigates a variety of sightings. Comes to the conclusion that UFO's are either mis-identified flying objects, atmospheric phenomenon, people with issues, and a handful of events where no conclusion can be reached. Issues statement that UFO's do not represent a threat to National Security, which is a polite way of saying that there ain't no such thing. Every UFO researcher: "That handful of events where there was no conclusion? Evidence that UFO's are real and they're covering it all up." |
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Most UFO's are "real", even if they are not identified, but the default for the ones that remain unidentified is NOT that they are Flying Saucers flown/controlled by aliens.
As I have related previously on this forum, I have had a "UFO experience". Fortunately, something happened that allowed the group of people who saw it with me to identify what it was, but that "something" could easily have not happened... then we would have never identified the object.... that does not mean I would have defaulted to "gotta be aliens". |
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I agree.
I've seen two UFO's in my 53 years. One made me scratch my head while the other one was so unreal I wouldn't have believed it was real had there not been another witness. Today I don't believe these were extraterrestrial in origin, but they led me into the UFO culture (for lack of a better phrase). Soon I had massed a small library of UFO books, and by the mid-90's I attended monthly UFO discussion meetings in my small town. I attended these meeting for most of four years, and I learned a lot about people during that time. I was looking for answers to what I had seen in the night sky, and at these meetings there were one or two others who wanted to same thing, but the rest of them just wanted to confirm their world view. This thread mirrors what I saw at these meetings. I would ask technical questions, and I would receive UFO dogma as the answers (Roswell, MJ-12, Area-51, Betty & Barney Hill, etc). Around this time the internet became a thing, and I would log onto the National UFO Reporting Center since it delt/deals with raw reporting data. This helped me put the whole thing into perspective in a way that didn't get from the UFO meetings. People see things in the sky that they cannot identify, and they tend to see the same kinds of things at the same times of the day. For me just getting the straight reporting help demystify the phenomenon in many ways. Nobody was throwing a forty year-old UFO legend in my face to support their argument, and I was able to put this stuff behind me. Maybe someday there will be a UFOlogist who can focus on a single topic at one time until there is an answer to that topic. |
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I attended a 'pre-arranged' ufo sighting (Oahu, 1980) hosted by Wayne Aho, an old timer who'd been in the ufo world since the 50s. He announced it on radio a few days prior.
The 'sighting' amounted to a huge (200+ feet diamater?) circle of white lights in or above low clouds. The lights ramped up slowly as if on a dimmer switch. No sound, other than palm fronds in the wind and surf at beach nearby. After about a half hour the circle slowly moved east, out of sight. Later I heard he did the same thing around Pacific NW. He was all about The Space Brothers coming to save humanity from itself. I think someone had him on a leash, forced to serve as a barker for their stunts. Years ago he'd been prosecuted for fraud. He was involved with another guy (the mastermind), taking investors $ for constructing a free energy powered spacecraft, with help no doubt from The Brothers. About 50 people showed up. As we drove up to the old airfield at dusk looking for the entrance, the headlights and interior lights on my old T-Bird blinked off for 5 seconds or so, then back on. A few moments later it happened again. That never happened before, nor since. |
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.....and no one took a photo.
Oddly his own biography never mentioned him taking other people to see the UFO. Did you take a photo? ![]() Aho said a telepathic summons led him into the desert where a saucer appeared and a voice ordered him to go forth and create his own yearly convention in his home state of Washington. Following the instructions of the Space Brothers, Aho's yearly convention held near the entrance to Mount Rainier National Park, in the so-called Spacecraft Protective Landing Area for Advancement of Science and Humanities (SPLAASH), created in honor of Kenneth Arnold, tended to emphasize New Age theories of various kinds rather than being strictly a meeting-place for flying saucer fans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Sulo_Aho |
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Unbelievable!
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I had an old Volkswagen. The fuel pump would cut-off after about an hour, then it would cut back on after a while. Years later, I had a new Mercedes. The fuel pump would cut off after an hour, and start again after about an hour. Both were German autos. Both used German fuel pumps.
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Luckily the faulty lights in my T-Bird was a once only glitch. Probably I accidentally bumped the switch a couple times while looking for the Space Brothers Meet and Greet Landing Site.
Over the years we'd review/re-tell the event, and it never changed. Simply, it was Aho on radio, clouds, circle of lights, only wind and waves were heard. My guess is it was either a 'light show' or some project taxpayers dont know they are funding, or both. After some talks with Aho, my gut was that he was no longer inspired, miserable, and on a leash, perhaps doing someone else's bidding. |
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Of what use are lights on a starship?
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Good point
Who said it was a starship? |
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If Aubrey knows as much about UFO's as he claims to, I want to know what he thinks about the Ernie Douglas incident in 1967.
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There are no starships, but if there were they'd need land or dock somewhere.
As far as traffic goes I'm sure they'd have alternative warning systems to lights, but as the US Navy found out last year, running lights and a guy looking out the window is as good as radar and GPS. |
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An opinion piece.
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That's the kind of simple question that drove me to look for answers in the raw reporting data.
The bottom line for me is that the earth's atmosphere does crazy things with light. For example depending on the clarity of the nighttime air I can see the lights from radio towers 35 miles away, other nights I cannot see the lighted smoke stacks of the Moss Landing power plant three miles away. I'm someone who spends a lot of time looking at the sky (I'm an airplane buff, and bird watcher) and I can see how someone seeing something for the first time would freak out. The fun thing is there are large craft in the night sky that are unlit: https://www.cbp.gov/frontline/frontl...mber-aerostats 12 years ago the DEA had a cousin of one of these in my area, accept it was a dark color, and I have no idea what it was looking at, but I did know it was in the night sky. Someone seeing a dark shape against the night sky would have a crazy story to tell. |
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The phenomena are almost always intended for people to observe, but very few are aware of this, which again, is by design.
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Why hasn't anyone mentioned the Proposed Studies on the Implications of Peaceful Space Activities for Human Affairs, often referred to as "the Brookings Report"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Report UfOlogists used to cite this report all the time as evidence of a conspiracy of silence. Not so much these days. |
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The space shuttle's orbiter didn't have any lights on it.
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