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Steve001 · 6th January 2018, 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by BStrong

So what does the link to the article about the Tuskegee Airman have to do with you and what does it have to do with UFO's?

Perhaps he's implying a cover up. Both have (had) that in common. Skyeagle has said our government is slowly preparing us for a big ufo reveal.

John Jones · 6th January 2018, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Some very interesting passages in there, for a man who used to believe that the Roswell incident was a crashed UFO, and has now come to his senses and realised it was not. Furthermore, Jeffrey backs his assessment with EVIDENCE, something that is conspicuously absent in skyeagle409's posts

Jeffrey even talks about skyeagle409....

Skyeagle/Aubrey has seen Kent Jeffrey's stuff. I posted it explicitly for him 20+ years ago. He's probably even corresponded with Jeffrey. He has been at this for at least 20 years, probably much longer. At least he doesn't quote liar Glenn Dennis or non-extant Naomi Self any longer.

Every time we'd drill down on the specifics of Jeffrey's thoughts on Roswell, Skyeagle409 would respond with something about RAF Bentwaters (Rendlesham Forest) Kirtland, Teheran or Belgium or some other incident.

If we would then talked about RAF Bentwaters, he'd switch back to Roswell. Getting him to focus was like nailing jelly to a wall.

John Jones · 6th January 2018, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by skyeagle409

Speaking of movies, the movie, "Earth vs. the Flying Saucers," was an idea based on the 1952 UFO incidents over Washington D.C.

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The 1952 UFO incident over Washington D.C. was a Hollywood publicity stunt for the 1951 move The Day The Earth Stood Still.

See? Anyone can play that game.

Wolrab · 6th January 2018, 02:39 PM

This isn't our first Gay Rodeo.

smartcooky · 6th January 2018, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by John Jones

Every time we'd drill down on the specifics of Jeffrey's thoughts on Roswell, Skyeagle409 would respond with something about RAF Bentwaters (Rendlesham Forest) Kirtland, Teheran or Belgium or some other incident.

If we would then talked about RAF Bentwaters, he'd switch back to Roswell. Getting him to focus was like nailing jelly to a wall.

"Remember that the goal of conspiracy rhetoric is to bog down the discussion, not to make progress toward a solution"
- Jay "Utah" Windley

Matthew Ellard · 6th January 2018, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by skyeagle409

Speaking of movies, the movie, "Earth vs. the Flying Saucers," was an idea based on the 1952 UFO incidents over Washington D.C.

Here is Ray Harryhausen's 1949 test footage for his alien UFO film War of the Worlds. As George Pal made War of the Worlds in 1953, Ray Harryhausen made "Earth VS the Flying Saucers" instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa2OCI_M4zo

BStrong · 7th January 2018, 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by Matthew Ellard

Here is Ray Harryhausen's 1949 test footage for his alien UFO film War of the Worlds. As George Pal made War of the Worlds in 1953, Ray Harryhausen made "Earth VS the Flying Saucers" instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa2OCI_M4zo

That left a mark.

Axxman300 · 7th January 2018, 06:01 PM

Every US Government UFO Investigation Ever:

Forms a group to investigate made up of scientists and military people.

Investigates a variety of sightings.

Comes to the conclusion that UFO's are either mis-identified flying objects, atmospheric phenomenon, people with issues, and a handful of events where no conclusion can be reached.

Issues statement that UFO's do not represent a threat to National Security, which is a polite way of saying that there ain't no such thing.

Every UFO researcher:

"That handful of events where there was no conclusion? Evidence that UFO's are real and they're covering it all up."

smartcooky · 7th January 2018, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Axxman300

Every UFO researcher:

"That handful of events where there was no conclusion? Evidence that UFO's are ~~real~~ Flying Saucers flown/controlled by aliens and they're covering it all up."

Most UFO's are "real", even if they are not identified, but the default for the ones that remain unidentified is NOT that they are Flying Saucers flown/controlled by aliens.

As I have related previously on this forum, I have had a "UFO experience". Fortunately, something happened that allowed the group of people who saw it with me to identify what it was, but that "something" could easily have not happened... then we would have never identified the object.... that does not mean I would have defaulted to "gotta be aliens".

Axxman300 · 7th January 2018, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Most UFO's are "real", even if they are not identified, but the default for the ones that remain unidentified is NOT that they are Flying Saucers flown/controlled by aliens.

As I have related previously on this forum, I have had a "UFO experience". Fortunately, something happened that allowed the group of people who saw it with me to identify what it was, but that "something" could easily have not happened... then we would have never identified the object.... that does not mean I would have defaulted to "gotta be aliens".

I agree.

I've seen two UFO's in my 53 years. One made me scratch my head while the other one was so unreal I wouldn't have believed it was real had there not been another witness. Today I don't believe these were extraterrestrial in origin, but they led me into the UFO culture (for lack of a better phrase). Soon I had massed a small library of UFO books, and by the mid-90's I attended monthly UFO discussion meetings in my small town. I attended these meeting for most of four years, and I learned a lot about people during that time.

I was looking for answers to what I had seen in the night sky, and at these meetings there were one or two others who wanted to same thing, but the rest of them just wanted to confirm their world view.

This thread mirrors what I saw at these meetings. I would ask technical questions, and I would receive UFO dogma as the answers (Roswell, MJ-12, Area-51, Betty & Barney Hill, etc). Around this time the internet became a thing, and I would log onto the National UFO Reporting Center since it delt/deals with raw reporting data. This helped me put the whole thing into perspective in a way that didn't get from the UFO meetings. People see things in the sky that they cannot identify, and they tend to see the same kinds of things at the same times of the day.

For me just getting the straight reporting help demystify the phenomenon in many ways. Nobody was throwing a forty year-old UFO legend in my face to support their argument, and I was able to put this stuff behind me.

Maybe someday there will be a UFOlogist who can focus on a single topic at one time until there is an answer to that topic.

Bubba · 8th January 2018, 12:43 AM

I attended a 'pre-arranged' ufo sighting (Oahu, 1980) hosted by Wayne Aho, an old timer who'd been in the ufo world since the 50s. He announced it on radio a few days prior.

The 'sighting' amounted to a huge (200+ feet diamater?) circle of white lights in or above low clouds. The lights ramped up slowly as if on a dimmer switch. No sound, other than palm fronds in the wind and surf at beach nearby. After about a half hour the circle slowly moved east, out of sight.

Later I heard he did the same thing around Pacific NW. He was all about The Space Brothers coming to save humanity from itself. I think someone had him on a leash, forced to serve as a barker for their stunts. Years ago he'd been prosecuted for fraud. He was involved with another guy (the mastermind), taking investors $ for constructing a free energy powered spacecraft, with help no doubt from The Brothers.

About 50 people showed up. As we drove up to the old airfield at dusk looking for the entrance, the headlights and interior lights on my old T-Bird blinked off for 5 seconds or so, then back on. A few moments later it happened again. That never happened before, nor since.

Matthew Ellard · 8th January 2018, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by Bubba

I attended a 'pre-arranged' ufo sighting (Oahu, 1980) hosted by Wayne Aho, an old timer who'd been in the ufo world since the 50s. He announced it on radio a few days prior. The 'sighting' amounted to a huge (200+ feet diamater?) circle of white lights in or above low clouds. The lights ramped up slowly as if on a dimmer switch. No sound, other than palm fronds in the wind and surf at beach nearby. After about a half hour the circle slowly moved east, out of sight.

.....and no one took a photo.

Oddly his own biography never mentioned him taking other people to see the UFO. Did you take a photo?

Aho said a telepathic summons led him into the desert where a saucer appeared and a voice ordered him to go forth and create his own yearly convention in his home state of Washington. Following the instructions of the Space Brothers, Aho's yearly convention held near the entrance to Mount Rainier National Park, in the so-called Spacecraft Protective Landing Area for Advancement of Science and Humanities (SPLAASH), created in honor of Kenneth Arnold, tended to emphasize New Age theories of various kinds rather than being strictly a meeting-place for flying saucer fans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Sulo_Aho

John Jones · 8th January 2018, 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by Bubba

I attended a 'pre-arranged' ufo sighting (Oahu, 1980) hosted by Wayne Aho, an old timer who'd been in the ufo world since the 50s. He announced it on radio a few days prior.

The 'sighting' amounted to a huge (200+ feet diamater?) circle of white lights in or above low clouds. The lights ramped up slowly as if on a dimmer switch. No sound, other than palm fronds in the wind and surf at beach nearby. After about a half hour the circle slowly moved east, out of sight.

Later I heard he did the same thing around Pacific NW. He was all about The Space Brothers coming to save humanity from itself. I think someone had him on a leash, forced to serve as a barker for their stunts. Years ago he'd been prosecuted for fraud. He was involved with another guy (the mastermind), taking investors $ for constructing a free energy powered spacecraft, with help no doubt from The Brothers.

About 50 people showed up. As we drove up to the old airfield at dusk looking for the entrance, the headlights and interior lights on my old T-Bird blinked off for 5 seconds or so, then back on. A few moments later it happened again. That never happened before, nor since.

That's amazing!

carlitos · 8th January 2018, 07:41 AM

Unbelievable!

John Jones · 8th January 2018, 08:40 AM

I had an old Volkswagen. The fuel pump would cut-off after about an hour, then it would cut back on after a while. Years later, I had a new Mercedes. The fuel pump would cut off after an hour, and start again after about an hour. Both were German autos. Both used German fuel pumps.

True story!

Bubba · 8th January 2018, 10:25 AM

Luckily the faulty lights in my T-Bird was a once only glitch. Probably I accidentally bumped the switch a couple times while looking for the Space Brothers Meet and Greet Landing Site.

Over the years we'd review/re-tell the event, and it never changed. Simply, it was Aho on radio, clouds, circle of lights, only wind and waves were heard. My guess is it was either a 'light show' or some project taxpayers dont know they are funding, or both. After some talks with Aho, my gut was that he was no longer inspired, miserable, and on a leash, perhaps doing someone else's bidding.

Resume · 8th January 2018, 10:35 AM

Of what use are lights on a starship?

Bubba · 8th January 2018, 10:51 AM

Good point

Who said it was a starship?

Resume · 8th January 2018, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by Bubba

Good point

Who said it was a starship?

It was a general question.

Axxman300 · 8th January 2018, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

Of what use are lights on a starship?

At the speed of light your headlights become tail lights, and if you go faster than the speed of light you headlights order pizza and time it so it's waiting for you when you get back.

Not sure if this is scientifically correct, but it is the version I accept.

Hellbound · 8th January 2018, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

Of what use are lights on a starship?

Originally Posted by Axxman300

At the speed of light your headlights become tail lights, and if you go faster than the speed of light you headlights order pizza and time it so it's waiting for you when you get back.

Not sure if this is scientifically correct, but it is the version I accept.

I just assumed it's because space is dark. Really, really dark. You may think it's dark when the streetlight is out in front of the chemist's, but that's peanuts compared to space.

Axxman300 · 8th January 2018, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by Hellbound

I just assumed it's because space is dark. Really, really dark. You may think it's dark when the streetlight is out in front of the chemist's, but that's peanuts compared to space.

I think a starship would have running lights for the same reason ships and airplanes have them - to let other craft know where they are.

I don't pretend to understand light speed, but I doubt lights of any kind would be of use.

BStrong · 8th January 2018, 07:58 PM

If Aubrey knows as much about UFO's as he claims to, I want to know what he thinks about the Ernie Douglas incident in 1967.

John Jones · 8th January 2018, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by BStrong

If Aubrey knows as much about UFO's as he claims to, I want to know what he thinks about the Ernie Douglas incident in 1967.

They sure swept that one under the rug in a hurry.

Resume · 8th January 2018, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Axxman300

I think a starship would have running lights for the same reason ships and airplanes have them - to let other craft know where they are.

You think there's that much intergalactic traffic? Wouldn't you imagine the technology which enabled interstellar travel would probably be light years (sorry) ahead of anti-collision systems like running/navigation /landing lights?

Jack by the hedge · 9th January 2018, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by Resume

You think there's that much intergalactic traffic? Wouldn't you imagine the technology which enabled interstellar travel would probably be light years (sorry) ahead of anti-collision systems like running/navigation /landing lights?

Oh the tech is super-advanced, its just that the devices which make it all work glow in a manner which, to our primitive eyes, resemble light bulbs.

Axxman300 · 9th January 2018, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by Resume

You think there's that much intergalactic traffic? Wouldn't you imagine the technology which enabled interstellar travel would probably be light years (sorry) ahead of anti-collision systems like running/navigation /landing lights?

There are no starships, but if there were they'd need land or dock somewhere.

As far as traffic goes I'm sure they'd have alternative warning systems to lights, but as the US Navy found out last year, running lights and a guy looking out the window is as good as radar and GPS.

Cosmic Yak · 9th January 2018, 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by Axxman300

I think a starship would have running lights for the same reason ships and airplanes have them - to let other craft know where they are.

You'd think so, but then I'm left wondering why, if they are trying to keep their visits secret, they would hover over built-up areas and military bases with their lights blazing?

Hans · 9th January 2018, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak

You'd think so, but then I'm left wondering why, if they are trying to keep their visits secret, they would hover over built-up areas and military bases with their lights blazing?

They like to taunt the wild life.

BStrong · 9th January 2018, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by John Jones

They sure swept that one under the rug in a hurry.

The Air Force allegedly suppressed the photos Douglas took of the UFO.

Resume · 9th January 2018, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Axxman300

There are no starships, but if there were they'd need land or dock somewhere.

As far as traffic goes I'm sure they'd have alternative warning systems to lights, but as the US Navy found out last year, running lights and a guy looking out the window is as good as radar and GPS.

I immediately dismiss all ufo sightings that reference lights, especially those that describe red and green lights.

Steve001 · 9th January 2018, 12:56 PM

An opinion piece.

Quote:

UFO Legacy: What Impact Will Revelation of Secret Government Program Have?

Believers in aliens visiting Earths friendly skies via Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) couldn't ask for more: A secretive government group backed by federal black money, a talkative former U.S. military intelligence official, fighter-jet video of odd objects doing out-of-this-world maneuvers and a space mogul purportedly housing leftovers of unidentified aerial craft.
https://www.space.com/39325-us-gover...am-legacy.html

Axxman300 · 9th January 2018, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak

You'd think so, but then I'm left wondering why, if they are trying to keep their visits secret, they would hover over built-up areas and military bases with their lights blazing?

That's the kind of simple question that drove me to look for answers in the raw reporting data.

The bottom line for me is that the earth's atmosphere does crazy things with light. For example depending on the clarity of the nighttime air I can see the lights from radio towers 35 miles away, other nights I cannot see the lighted smoke stacks of the Moss Landing power plant three miles away.

I'm someone who spends a lot of time looking at the sky (I'm an airplane buff, and bird watcher) and I can see how someone seeing something for the first time would freak out.

The fun thing is there are large craft in the night sky that are unlit:

https://www.cbp.gov/frontline/frontl...mber-aerostats

12 years ago the DEA had a cousin of one of these in my area, accept it was a dark color, and I have no idea what it was looking at, but I did know it was in the night sky.

Someone seeing a dark shape against the night sky would have a crazy story to tell.

Aqua · 9th January 2018, 04:53 PM

The phenomena are almost always intended for people to observe, but very few are aware of this, which again, is by design.

Hans · 9th January 2018, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Aqua

The phenomena are almost always intended for people to observe, but very few are aware of this, which again, is by design.

Oh my, do tell us about it and how you gained this knowledge? Which shadowy group is doing this for what nefarious reason?

John Jones · 9th January 2018, 06:37 PM

Why hasn't anyone mentioned the Proposed Studies on the Implications of Peaceful Space Activities for Human Affairs, often referred to as "the Brookings Report"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Report

UfOlogists used to cite this report all the time as evidence of a conspiracy of silence. Not so much these days.

John Jones · 9th January 2018, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Aqua

The phenomena are almost always intended for people to observe, but very few are aware of this, which again, is by design.

Where do you get your information, comic books?

jadebox · 9th January 2018, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Axxman300

I think a starship would have running lights for the same reason ships and airplanes have them - to let other craft know where they are.

The space shuttle's orbiter didn't have any lights on it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spac...ational_lights

Aqua · 9th January 2018, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by John Jones

Where do you get your information, comic books?

Yes, straight from comic books.

Hellbound · 10th January 2018, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by John Jones

Where do you get your information, comic books?

Hey! They aren't comic books, they're "illustrated speculative documentaries".

6th January 2018, 06:41 AM	#362
John Jones Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Iowa USA Posts: 12,131	Originally Posted by smartcooky Some very interesting passages in there, for a man who used to believe that the Roswell incident was a crashed UFO, and has now come to his senses and realised it was not. Furthermore, Jeffrey backs his assessment with EVIDENCE, something that is conspicuously absent in skyeagle409's posts Jeffrey even talks about skyeagle409.... Skyeagle/Aubrey has seen Kent Jeffrey's stuff. I posted it explicitly for him 20+ years ago. He's probably even corresponded with Jeffrey. He has been at this for at least 20 years, probably much longer. At least he doesn't quote liar Glenn Dennis or non-extant Naomi Self any longer. Every time we'd drill down on the specifics of Jeffrey's thoughts on Roswell, Skyeagle409 would respond with something about RAF Bentwaters (Rendlesham Forest) Kirtland, Teheran or Belgium or some other incident. If we would then talked about RAF Bentwaters, he'd switch back to Roswell. Getting him to focus was like nailing jelly to a wall.
	__________________ "Sufficiently advanced malice is indistinguishable from incompetence. = godless Dave

6th January 2018, 06:56 AM	#363
John Jones Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Iowa USA Posts: 12,131	Originally Posted by skyeagle409 Speaking of movies, the movie, "Earth vs. the Flying Saucers," was an idea based on the 1952 UFO incidents over Washington D.C. . The 1952 UFO incident over Washington D.C. was a Hollywood publicity stunt for the 1951 move The Day The Earth Stood Still. See? Anyone can play that game.
	__________________ "Sufficiently advanced malice is indistinguishable from incompetence. = godless Dave

6th January 2018, 02:39 PM	#364
Wolrab Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,214	This isn't our first Gay Rodeo.
Wolrab Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,214	__________________ "Such reports are usually based on the sighting of something the sighters cannot explain and that they (or someone else on their behalf) explain as representing an interstellar spaceship-often by saying "But what else can it be?" as though thier own ignorance is a decisive factor." Isaac Asimov

6th January 2018, 03:42 PM	#365
smartcooky Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 7,720	Originally Posted by John Jones Every time we'd drill down on the specifics of Jeffrey's thoughts on Roswell, Skyeagle409 would respond with something about RAF Bentwaters (Rendlesham Forest) Kirtland, Teheran or Belgium or some other incident. If we would then talked about RAF Bentwaters, he'd switch back to Roswell. Getting him to focus was like nailing jelly to a wall. "Remember that the goal of conspiracy rhetoric is to bog down the discussion, not to make progress toward a solution" - Jay "Utah" Windley
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7th January 2018, 03:14 AM	#367
BStrong Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: San Francisco Posts: 11,089	Originally Posted by Matthew Ellard Here is Ray Harryhausen's 1949 test footage for his alien UFO film War of the Worlds. As George Pal made War of the Worlds in 1953, Ray Harryhausen made "Earth VS the Flying Saucers" instead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa2OCI_M4zo That left a mark.
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6th January 2018, 06:35 AM	#361
Steve001 Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,300	Originally Posted by BStrong So what does the link to the article about the Tuskegee Airman have to do with you and what does it have to do with UFO's? Perhaps he's implying a cover up. Both have (had) that in common. Skyeagle has said our government is slowly preparing us for a big ufo reveal.

6th January 2018, 09:51 PM	#366
Matthew Ellard Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,765	Originally Posted by skyeagle409 Speaking of movies, the movie, "Earth vs. the Flying Saucers," was an idea based on the 1952 UFO incidents over Washington D.C. Here is Ray Harryhausen's 1949 test footage for his alien UFO film War of the Worlds. As George Pal made War of the Worlds in 1953, Ray Harryhausen made "Earth VS the Flying Saucers" instead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa2OCI_M4zo

7th January 2018, 06:01 PM	#368
Axxman300 Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Central California Coast Posts: 2,565	Every US Government UFO Investigation Ever: Forms a group to investigate made up of scientists and military people. Investigates a variety of sightings. Comes to the conclusion that UFO's are either mis-identified flying objects, atmospheric phenomenon, people with issues, and a handful of events where no conclusion can be reached. Issues statement that UFO's do not represent a threat to National Security, which is a polite way of saying that there ain't no such thing. Every UFO researcher: "That handful of events where there was no conclusion? Evidence that UFO's are real and they're covering it all up."
	__________________ Disingenuous Piranha

7th January 2018, 06:58 PM	#369
smartcooky Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 7,720	Originally Posted by Axxman300 Every UFO researcher: "That handful of events where there was no conclusion? Evidence that UFO's are ~~real~~ Flying Saucers flown/controlled by aliens and they're covering it all up." Most UFO's are "real", even if they are not identified, but the default for the ones that remain unidentified is NOT that they are Flying Saucers flown/controlled by aliens. As I have related previously on this forum, I have had a "UFO experience". Fortunately, something happened that allowed the group of people who saw it with me to identify what it was, but that "something" could easily have not happened... then we would have never identified the object.... that does not mean I would have defaulted to "gotta be aliens".
	__________________ _{► 9/11 was a terrorist attack by Islamic extremists; 12 Apollo astronauts really did walk on the Moon; JFK was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald,who acted alone. ► Never underestimate the power of the Internet to lend unwarranted credibility to the colossally misinformed. - Jay Utah ► Heisenberg's Law - The weirdness of the Universe is inversely proportional to the scale at which you observe it, or not.}

7th January 2018, 08:44 PM	#370
Axxman300 Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Central California Coast Posts: 2,565	Originally Posted by smartcooky Most UFO's are "real", even if they are not identified, but the default for the ones that remain unidentified is NOT that they are Flying Saucers flown/controlled by aliens. As I have related previously on this forum, I have had a "UFO experience". Fortunately, something happened that allowed the group of people who saw it with me to identify what it was, but that "something" could easily have not happened... then we would have never identified the object.... that does not mean I would have defaulted to "gotta be aliens". I agree. I've seen two UFO's in my 53 years. One made me scratch my head while the other one was so unreal I wouldn't have believed it was real had there not been another witness. Today I don't believe these were extraterrestrial in origin, but they led me into the UFO culture (for lack of a better phrase). Soon I had massed a small library of UFO books, and by the mid-90's I attended monthly UFO discussion meetings in my small town. I attended these meeting for most of four years, and I learned a lot about people during that time. I was looking for answers to what I had seen in the night sky, and at these meetings there were one or two others who wanted to same thing, but the rest of them just wanted to confirm their world view. This thread mirrors what I saw at these meetings. I would ask technical questions, and I would receive UFO dogma as the answers (Roswell, MJ-12, Area-51, Betty & Barney Hill, etc). Around this time the internet became a thing, and I would log onto the National UFO Reporting Center since it delt/deals with raw reporting data. This helped me put the whole thing into perspective in a way that didn't get from the UFO meetings. People see things in the sky that they cannot identify, and they tend to see the same kinds of things at the same times of the day. For me just getting the straight reporting help demystify the phenomenon in many ways. Nobody was throwing a forty year-old UFO legend in my face to support their argument, and I was able to put this stuff behind me. Maybe someday there will be a UFOlogist who can focus on a single topic at one time until there is an answer to that topic.
	__________________ Disingenuous Piranha

8th January 2018, 12:43 AM	#371
Bubba Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 2,421	I attended a 'pre-arranged' ufo sighting (Oahu, 1980) hosted by Wayne Aho, an old timer who'd been in the ufo world since the 50s. He announced it on radio a few days prior. The 'sighting' amounted to a huge (200+ feet diamater?) circle of white lights in or above low clouds. The lights ramped up slowly as if on a dimmer switch. No sound, other than palm fronds in the wind and surf at beach nearby. After about a half hour the circle slowly moved east, out of sight. Later I heard he did the same thing around Pacific NW. He was all about The Space Brothers coming to save humanity from itself. I think someone had him on a leash, forced to serve as a barker for their stunts. Years ago he'd been prosecuted for fraud. He was involved with another guy (the mastermind), taking investors $ for constructing a free energy powered spacecraft, with help no doubt from The Brothers. About 50 people showed up. As we drove up to the old airfield at dusk looking for the entrance, the headlights and interior lights on my old T-Bird blinked off for 5 seconds or so, then back on. A few moments later it happened again. That never happened before, nor since.
Bubba Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 2,421

8th January 2018, 12:56 AM	#372
Matthew Ellard Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,765	Originally Posted by Bubba I attended a 'pre-arranged' ufo sighting (Oahu, 1980) hosted by Wayne Aho, an old timer who'd been in the ufo world since the 50s. He announced it on radio a few days prior. The 'sighting' amounted to a huge (200+ feet diamater?) circle of white lights in or above low clouds. The lights ramped up slowly as if on a dimmer switch. No sound, other than palm fronds in the wind and surf at beach nearby. After about a half hour the circle slowly moved east, out of sight. .....and no one took a photo. Oddly his own biography never mentioned him taking other people to see the UFO. Did you take a photo? Aho said a telepathic summons led him into the desert where a saucer appeared and a voice ordered him to go forth and create his own yearly convention in his home state of Washington. Following the instructions of the Space Brothers, Aho's yearly convention held near the entrance to Mount Rainier National Park, in the so-called Spacecraft Protective Landing Area for Advancement of Science and Humanities (SPLAASH), created in honor of Kenneth Arnold, tended to emphasize New Age theories of various kinds rather than being strictly a meeting-place for flying saucer fans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Sulo_Aho

8th January 2018, 02:52 AM	#373
John Jones Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Iowa USA Posts: 12,131	Originally Posted by Bubba I attended a 'pre-arranged' ufo sighting (Oahu, 1980) hosted by Wayne Aho, an old timer who'd been in the ufo world since the 50s. He announced it on radio a few days prior. The 'sighting' amounted to a huge (200+ feet diamater?) circle of white lights in or above low clouds. The lights ramped up slowly as if on a dimmer switch. No sound, other than palm fronds in the wind and surf at beach nearby. After about a half hour the circle slowly moved east, out of sight. Later I heard he did the same thing around Pacific NW. He was all about The Space Brothers coming to save humanity from itself. I think someone had him on a leash, forced to serve as a barker for their stunts. Years ago he'd been prosecuted for fraud. He was involved with another guy (the mastermind), taking investors $ for constructing a free energy powered spacecraft, with help no doubt from The Brothers. About 50 people showed up. As we drove up to the old airfield at dusk looking for the entrance, the headlights and interior lights on my old T-Bird blinked off for 5 seconds or so, then back on. A few moments later it happened again. That never happened before, nor since. That's amazing!
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8th January 2018, 07:41 AM	#374
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 17,883	Unbelievable!

8th January 2018, 08:40 AM	#375
John Jones Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Iowa USA Posts: 12,131	I had an old Volkswagen. The fuel pump would cut-off after about an hour, then it would cut back on after a while. Years later, I had a new Mercedes. The fuel pump would cut off after an hour, and start again after about an hour. Both were German autos. Both used German fuel pumps. True story!
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8th January 2018, 10:25 AM	#376
Bubba Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 2,421	Luckily the faulty lights in my T-Bird was a once only glitch. Probably I accidentally bumped the switch a couple times while looking for the Space Brothers Meet and Greet Landing Site. Over the years we'd review/re-tell the event, and it never changed. Simply, it was Aho on radio, clouds, circle of lights, only wind and waves were heard. My guess is it was either a 'light show' or some project taxpayers dont know they are funding, or both. After some talks with Aho, my gut was that he was no longer inspired, miserable, and on a leash, perhaps doing someone else's bidding.
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8th January 2018, 10:35 AM	#377
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 15,778	Of what use are lights on a starship?
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8th January 2018, 10:51 AM	#378
Bubba Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 2,421	Good point Who said it was a starship?
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8th January 2018, 11:03 AM	#379
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 15,778	Originally Posted by Bubba Good point Who said it was a starship? It was a general question.
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8th January 2018, 12:36 PM	#380
Axxman300 Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Central California Coast Posts: 2,565	Originally Posted by Resume Of what use are lights on a starship? At the speed of light your headlights become tail lights, and if you go faster than the speed of light you headlights order pizza and time it so it's waiting for you when you get back. Not sure if this is scientifically correct, but it is the version I accept.
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8th January 2018, 01:05 PM	#381
Hellbound Merchant of Doom Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Somewhere between the central U.S. and Hades Posts: 12,153	Originally Posted by Resume Of what use are lights on a starship? Originally Posted by Axxman300 At the speed of light your headlights become tail lights, and if you go faster than the speed of light you headlights order pizza and time it so it's waiting for you when you get back. Not sure if this is scientifically correct, but it is the version I accept. I just assumed it's because space is dark. Really, really dark. You may think it's dark when the streetlight is out in front of the chemist's, but that's peanuts compared to space.

8th January 2018, 07:14 PM	#382
Axxman300 Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Central California Coast Posts: 2,565	Originally Posted by Hellbound I just assumed it's because space is dark. Really, really dark. You may think it's dark when the streetlight is out in front of the chemist's, but that's peanuts compared to space. I think a starship would have running lights for the same reason ships and airplanes have them - to let other craft know where they are. I don't pretend to understand light speed, but I doubt lights of any kind would be of use.
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8th January 2018, 07:58 PM	#383
BStrong Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: San Francisco Posts: 11,089	If Aubrey knows as much about UFO's as he claims to, I want to know what he thinks about the Ernie Douglas incident in 1967.
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8th January 2018, 09:01 PM	#384
John Jones Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Iowa USA Posts: 12,131	Originally Posted by BStrong If Aubrey knows as much about UFO's as he claims to, I want to know what he thinks about the Ernie Douglas incident in 1967. They sure swept that one under the rug in a hurry.
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8th January 2018, 09:55 PM	#385
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 15,778	Originally Posted by Axxman300 I think a starship would have running lights for the same reason ships and airplanes have them - to let other craft know where they are. You think there's that much intergalactic traffic? Wouldn't you imagine the technology which enabled interstellar travel would probably be light years (sorry) ahead of anti-collision systems like running/navigation /landing lights?
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9th January 2018, 01:20 AM	#386
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 8,872	Originally Posted by Resume You think there's that much intergalactic traffic? Wouldn't you imagine the technology which enabled interstellar travel would probably be light years (sorry) ahead of anti-collision systems like running/navigation /landing lights? Oh the tech is super-advanced, its just that the devices which make it all work glow in a manner which, to our primitive eyes, resemble light bulbs.

9th January 2018, 01:46 AM	#387
Axxman300 Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Central California Coast Posts: 2,565	Originally Posted by Resume You think there's that much intergalactic traffic? Wouldn't you imagine the technology which enabled interstellar travel would probably be light years (sorry) ahead of anti-collision systems like running/navigation /landing lights? There are no starships, but if there were they'd need land or dock somewhere. As far as traffic goes I'm sure they'd have alternative warning systems to lights, but as the US Navy found out last year, running lights and a guy looking out the window is as good as radar and GPS.
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9th January 2018, 01:51 AM	#388
Cosmic Yak Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Where there's never a road broader than the back of your hand. Posts: 1,996	Originally Posted by Axxman300 I think a starship would have running lights for the same reason ships and airplanes have them - to let other craft know where they are. You'd think so, but then I'm left wondering why, if they are trying to keep their visits secret, they would hover over built-up areas and military bases with their lights blazing?
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9th January 2018, 08:25 AM	#389
Hans Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 6,986	Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak You'd think so, but then I'm left wondering why, if they are trying to keep their visits secret, they would hover over built-up areas and military bases with their lights blazing? They like to taunt the wild life.
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9th January 2018, 08:53 AM	#390
BStrong Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: San Francisco Posts: 11,089	Originally Posted by John Jones They sure swept that one under the rug in a hurry. The Air Force allegedly suppressed the photos Douglas took of the UFO.
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9th January 2018, 09:28 AM	#391
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 15,778	Originally Posted by Axxman300 There are no starships, but if there were they'd need land or dock somewhere. As far as traffic goes I'm sure they'd have alternative warning systems to lights, but as the US Navy found out last year, running lights and a guy looking out the window is as good as radar and GPS. I immediately dismiss all ufo sightings that reference lights, especially those that describe red and green lights.
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9th January 2018, 12:56 PM	#392
Steve001 Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,300	An opinion piece. Quote: UFO Legacy: What Impact Will Revelation of Secret Government Program Have? Believers in aliens visiting Earths friendly skies via Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) couldn't ask for more: A secretive government group backed by federal black money, a talkative former U.S. military intelligence official, fighter-jet video of odd objects doing out-of-this-world maneuvers and a space mogul purportedly housing leftovers of unidentified aerial craft. https://www.space.com/39325-us-gover...am-legacy.html
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9th January 2018, 04:26 PM	#393
Axxman300 Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Central California Coast Posts: 2,565	Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak You'd think so, but then I'm left wondering why, if they are trying to keep their visits secret, they would hover over built-up areas and military bases with their lights blazing? That's the kind of simple question that drove me to look for answers in the raw reporting data. The bottom line for me is that the earth's atmosphere does crazy things with light. For example depending on the clarity of the nighttime air I can see the lights from radio towers 35 miles away, other nights I cannot see the lighted smoke stacks of the Moss Landing power plant three miles away. I'm someone who spends a lot of time looking at the sky (I'm an airplane buff, and bird watcher) and I can see how someone seeing something for the first time would freak out. The fun thing is there are large craft in the night sky that are unlit: https://www.cbp.gov/frontline/frontl...mber-aerostats 12 years ago the DEA had a cousin of one of these in my area, accept it was a dark color, and I have no idea what it was looking at, but I did know it was in the night sky. Someone seeing a dark shape against the night sky would have a crazy story to tell.
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9th January 2018, 04:53 PM	#394
Aqua New Blood Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 20	The phenomena are almost always intended for people to observe, but very few are aware of this, which again, is by design.
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9th January 2018, 05:47 PM	#395
Hans Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 6,986	Originally Posted by Aqua The phenomena are almost always intended for people to observe, but very few are aware of this, which again, is by design. Oh my, do tell us about it and how you gained this knowledge? Which shadowy group is doing this for what nefarious reason?
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