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No. You are repeating your debunked lies again.
PC Brian Cresswell : (Inspected the rabbit scrapings) "There were three marks in the area which did not follow a set pattern. The impression made by these marks were of no depth and could have been made by an animal.” https://drdavidclarke.co.uk/secret-f...ecret-files-4/ "Forester Vince Thurkettle – who lived in the forest at the time of the incident – also visited the landing site about six weeks later after hearing rumours about a UFO landing. He too was left unimpressed by what he saw. Thurkettle said the three depressions found by the USAF airmen in the clearing resembled holes produced by burrowing animals." https://drdavidclarke.co.uk/secret-f...ecret-files-4/ "As for the radiation detected at the “landing site” three independent scientific experts, including the makers of the Geiger counter, have since stated there was nothing unusual in the levels recorded by Halt’s team in the forest. They were simply background levels that would be expected in a pine forest." Make us laugh. Tell us what the comparative background radiation in the forest was? You haven't got a clue, do you? ![]() |
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I think we're seeing a perfect example of pig wrestling.
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How come the aliens have changed their approach these days? They have to have done so since we simply don’t have all the high quality photo and video captures we would have today if they were still behaving like they did just 20 years ago.
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By "encountered" do you mean anything more than "made visual contact with but failed to close with"? I mean, in what (evidenced) ways is this different from cases where pilots mistake a celestial object for an aircraft? And when you talk about "the objects" extreme manoeuvres, are you now talking about the Aegis contact instead and just assuming that phenomenon, whatever it was, was the same thing as the visual contact? |
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I think its more than that... its a combination of pig wrestling and pigeon chess.
IMO skyeagle409 has no idea of the meaning of evidence when it comes to Flying Saucers. ► Old and repeatedly debunked newspaper clippings are not evidence ► Unidentified things in the sky are not evidence ► Interviews taken 20+ years after the fact when the witnesses were pre-teens are not evidence ► Links to Flying Saucer nutjob websites are not evidence ► His bare, unsupported assertions are not evidence |
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In regard to the Navy's UFO encounter, this image is clear enough to see that the craft is not a balloon nor an airplane and notice the glow around the craft. http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/asset...xlarge-169.jpg The maneuvers described by one of the pilots excludes mankind as the owner of those objects by the fact we have no such vehicles capable of such extreme maneuvers and that is one reason why the USAF concluded that the objects in question are not of this earth. |
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Aubrey, is this related to the original claim of UFOs in this thread? For the last time, there is no one in the USAF who has the qualifications to conclude that the UFOs are not of this Earth. You gave me your best FOIA documents you had more than 20 years ago. Nobody was able to conclude that you had proved the ET hypothesis. |
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Wrong again because you can obtain copies of the news articles including articles where the Air Force ordered its pilots to shoot down flying saucers, even documents and letters where balloon scientist reported tracking flying saucers and in one case, as the objects hovered 200 miles above the earth and that was years before mankind sent the first spacecraft into orbit. http://3s9h7h3y0i6u2n9j4h5vgkf1-wpen...52-225x300.jpg
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In many cases, they are, such as radar/visual encounters and optical and other data our deep space surveillance assets have proven.
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You need to understand that it doesn't make any difference when the reports were made or who made them just as long as the reports are accurate.
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In my case, it does because much of what I post can be obtained under the FOIA from the National Archives and other government sources and thanks to the FOIA, the U.S. Army revealed its Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit (IPU). Speaking of 'nutjobs' let's remember that UFO skeptics allowed themselves to be duped by the Air Force over its 47-year weather balloon story, which believers knew was false because it wouldn't have taken a large group of military personnel to recover a single weather balloon after posting roadblocks. HINT! How did UFO skeptics feel when the Air Force trashed its Roswell weather balloon story in 1994? In that regard, that was strike one. Strike two came when UFO skeptics allowed themselves to be duped by the Air Force again when it managed to convinced them that its replacement for its weather balloon story was a Project Mogul balloon flight #4 that never was, and that according to Project Mogul balloon records. And, strike three came when the Air Force duped UFO skeptics in 1997 after the Air Force claimed that alien bodies people saw in 1947, were test dummies from 'Operation High Dive' which didn't begin operations until the 1950's, which told me that UFO skeptics are not in the habit of doing homework. The Air Force depends upon ignorance to get its false claims accepted by closed-minded UFO skeptics who are not in the habit of doing homework or doing it properly when they do.
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That isn't the video taken by Commander David Fravor. That image is from the the video created for the To the Stars Academy launch in October 2016.
You have the wrong video. The original UFO video that appeared on You Tube in 2007 is here. https://www.metabunk.org/2004-uss-ni...footage.t9190/ |
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If only you could show that the image was genuinely from a Navy UFO encounter, that the object in the centre of that image was the thing being described in the accompanying audio or that the USAF had expressed any opinion on the object in that video then you might have a point. But it seems you can't establish any of those things as fact. It doesn't appear that any of them are facts. |
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Well, Skyeagle, if aliens really are flying around, what next? What are you going to do about it? Right now, you're just posting on an obscure internet forum (all fora are obscure, come to that). Why aren't you grabbing generals and politicians by the lapels and demanding action? action! ACTION!!!!
What kind of action? Hell, I don't know. You're the ufoologist, you tell me. |
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They are evidence of unidentified aerial phenomena.... they are NOT, repeat, EMPHATICALLY, NOT evidence of extraterrestrial spacecraft.
All you have done so far in this thread is provide evidence of things in the sky that have not yet been identified. You have NOT provided any evidence that these phenomena are in any way connected with aliens You are not so special that you can ignore the rules of debate... you can't even keep your lies straight. The objects recovered on the Foster ranch near Roswell were parts of a Project Mogul Balloon Train. This is a verified fact. If you think otherwise, you have to explain how it is that many of the recovered parts, as well as parts that were recalled by the witesses, were en exact match for a Signal Corps ML-307B RAWIN target. the balsa sticks, the ‘tinfoil,’ the reinforcing tape with pinkish-purple flowers the patches of a smelly, smoky gray, rubber-like material the eyelets, the tough paper, the four-inch-diameter aluminium rings the black battery box All these materials were used in the NYU balloon flight trains, and those same materials were identified by independent witnesses at Roswell. Charles B. Moore participated in the manufacture of over 100 of these targets, and he recognised them for what they were. Any suggestion that the wreckage in General Ramey’s office was just a weather balloon switched for the “real debris,” is just pure bunkum. Prof. Moore pointed out that the radar targets used by NYU were unlike anything flown in New Mexico before. W/O Newton recognizes the debris because he used an early version of these same targets when he was a weatherman in Okinawa. Again, you are not so special that you can ignore the rules of debate. No-one here is going to do YOUR research for you; no-one here (except for the wilfully blind and stupid) places any store whatsoever in anything you post. |
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On usenet long ago a discussion went on for some time about what they could do. The problem; no one could agree.
Generally they came up with: do nothing, post messages, repost old reports, commit pious fraud in 'upgrading' reports by making stuff up about them. A few thought they should assault Area 51 with cameras in tow, a tiny minority thought they should go in with weapons, a few thought about kidnapping 'a VIP' in charge of hiding the UFO info - however nobody could agree who these people were. A few wanted to try bribing a poor country's 'UFO VIPS' to cough up the evidence (based on the idea that all the governments were in on the conspiracy). I think another idea was to set up 'UFO' traps or places to lure them (a lot of silly stuff about that).....basically they did nothing. |
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Wow. Talk about obscure. But still interesting; I never knew that ufoolgists went so far as even to moot ideas about Resolving This Great Crisis.
The point of my little post was only to ask Skyeagle "wot's it awl about, Alfie?" If he convinces anybody that We Are Not Alone, is there a next step? Let's hear his reply. Lead us, Eagle of the Blue Skies! |
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I don't recall that many had these types of idea. I suspect it was a very small subset. It's like fringe archaeology folks, they rarely consider the idea of funding long-term excavations or re-evaluations of existing collections. Instead they see the idea of making Youtubes about long debunked ideas or endlessly attacking orthodox positions to be wildly more 'useful'. SE seems to have a similar view.
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An old joke from the early years; 'UFO guys worried about THEM showed up at the 1950's movie 'Them' and shot up the screen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Them! |
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As a reminder, the real nutjobs are the UFO skeptics who believed the military sent a large group of personnel to conduct recovery operations and set up road blocks in order to recover a single weather balloon and they believed it for 47-years despite evidence to the contrary. |
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Speaking of movies, the movie, "Earth vs. the Flying Saucers," was an idea based on the 1952 UFO incidents over Washington D.C. Perhaps some day, they will make a movie depicting events as they occurred about the Navy pilot's encounters with a weather balloon that somehow out-flew their jets. |
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False! The Air Force said it was a classified Project Mogul balloon train #4 that was recovered, but that is false because according to Project Mogul balloon records, there was no such thing as Project Mogul balloon flight #4 and a Project Mogul balloon flight was cancelled on June 4, 1947 due to clouds. BTW, Mogul balloons were just nothing more than unclassified research balloons that were often recovered by civilians for rewards. In other words, UFO skeptics allowed themselves to be duped with the Air Force's 47-year weather balloon story which it trashed in 1994. Just goes to show how simple it was for the Air Force to dupe the UFO skeptics. Did you know that Charles Moore, head of Project Mogul, reported tracking a flying saucer? A simple research effort on your part would have highlighted details regarding his UFO tracking report. In fact, there are documents that cover the tracking of flying saucers by Project Mogul and Project Skyhook balloon teams over New Mexico.
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In other words, what Dubose and others posed with in Ramey's office was not recovered from the Foster ranch, which is understandable considering that the Air Force threw out its false weather balloon claim in 1994. Now, for a document for which I know you were unaware of.
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In other words, it suggest that a rawin device be used as a cover-up for the saucers (plural) in keeping with General Arthur Exon who confirmed there were two crash sites, and he should know considering that he was the Air Force officer who overflew the area and later became the commanding officer of Wright-Patterson AFB, where the Roswell UFO debris was taken, which he later confirmed. There was never a valid reason to cover-up Project Mogul balloons because Mogul balloons were not classified and there were times the news media was invited to witness the launch of Project Mogul balloons and their experiments were also revealed in the newspapers the country. Case in point, where's the cover story for this balloon train that was recovered by two men? Amazing how the Air Force duped those who've allowed themselves to be duped into believing that Project Mogul was highly classified.
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No flying saucer recovery story for any Mogul balloon recoveries. So, the Air Force managed to dupe UFO skeptics into believing that Project Mogul balloons and their experiments were top secret when it fact, Project Mogul balloons and their experiments were covered in newspapers around the country, which shows just how effective the Air Force's disinformation campaign has worked on UFO skeptics, which isn't surprising considering the Air Force fooled them for 47-years over a weather balloon recovery that never was. Notice that these photos depict recovered weather balloon rawin devices simlar to the one displayed in Ramey's office. Photos of recovered weather balloon rawin devices http://roswellproof.homestead.com/files/greensny.jpg http://roswellproof.homestead.com/files/circle1s.jpg http://roswellproof.homestead.com/pu...~element16.jpg http://roswellproof.homestead.com/files/circlev2.jpg Notice that the photos of recovered rawin device do not look anything like the rawin device in Ramey's office in the next photo. http://www.legendsofamerica.com/phot...loonDebris.jpg Exotic materials with properties described by Roswell witnesses are now a reality http://roswellproof.homestead.com/debris_main.html SCIENTIST ADMITS TO STUDY OF ROSWELL CRASH DEBRIS! (Confirmed by FOIA Document) by Anthony Bragalia A research study that has recently been obtained through FOIA offers stunning confirmation that Wright-Patterson Air Force base contracted Battelle Memorial Institute to analyze material from a crashed UFO at Roswell in 1947. Remarkably, the co-author of this very metals study is the same scientist who decades ago had confessed that he had examined extraterrestrial metal from a crashed UFO while he was a research scientist at Battelle! This just-received document also reveals that another one of its metallurgist authors reported directly to a Battelle scientist who was conducting secret UFO studies for the USAF. It appears that the study represents first-ever attempts in creating highly novel and advanced Titanium alloys. Some of these alloys were later associated with the development of "memory metal" of the type reported as crash debris at Roswell. US Military are using smart metals similar to those found at the Roswell Crash In 1947 http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/morphingmetals.html I think it's time to get back on track and get off Roswell now that military officers, enlisted personnel and civil servants at Wright-Patterson AFB have now confirmed that the Roswell incident involved extraterrestrials. |
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I don't think we're at the stage yet where you can declare victory and walk away. I, for one, am still far from convinced by what you allege about Roswell.
I looked at your 'exotic materials' link, and two things struck me. Firstly, I could not find anything in there that showed that the materials were of extra-terrestrial origin. The fact that the various witnesses did not know what they were looking at in no way supports the idea that this was alien technology. Moreover, at the bottom of each page is what seems to me to be a perfectly good explanation as to what the materials actually were. I'm thinking specifically of the wire and of the tape here. Secondly, the reaction of the witnesses to their discovery seem rather strange. There is mention of the wood being uncuttable and unburnable; the wire was extremely difficult to snap, and the metal wouldn't bend even if someone was jumping up and down on it. So what this is basically saying is that all these people found what they thought was a crashed UFO, and immediately set about trying to break, damage or destroy the debris. Why? Surely, if this was the discovery of the century, you would be doing everything in your power to preserve it? The military witnesses quoted there seem unperturbed by the fact that what they eventually saw was what was left after the determined attempts of a posse of ranchers to wreak as much damage as they could. I can also find no mention, in this or in any of the many, many things you have linked to, that describes exactly what tests were carried out on the debris to determine that it was of extra-terrestrial origin. Your links say that it was delivered to the office of such-and-such an officer, who pronounced it as being alien. How? How was that conclusion formed? Finally, you have made repeated challenges to skeptics to prove the Project Mogul explanation valid. As has been explained before, it's your claim and thus your burden of proof. All you have given us so far is your assertion that it wasn't Project Mogul. What you are so far lacking is any positive evidence for your case. If you want to say that the Roswell wreckage was extra-terrestrial, then prove it. Link us to the studies that prove this, or, even better, is there any of this debris left in the public domain, or available through FOI, that you can produce? You are presenting a false dichotomy here, by stating that, if it isn't military, it must be alien, without showing any proof of alien origins, and discounting the possibility of other options. |
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Some very interesting passages in there, for a man who used to believe that the Roswell incident was a crashed UFO, and has now come to his senses and realised it was not. Furthermore, Jeffrey backs his assessment with EVIDENCE, something that is conspicuously absent in skyeagle409's posts
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