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Old 23rd December 2017, 11:45 AM   #1
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UFOs do exist admits Pentagon official.

Headline news in the Telegraph (posh newspaper, not prone to this kind of headline)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...rmer-pentagon/

I do not have premium access to get the entire article, this is what is available;

"Earth may well have been visited by UFOs from outer space, the former head of a secret US government programme has told The Telegraph.
Luis Elizondo said the existence of supremely advanced unidentified aircraft, using technology that did not belong to any nation, had been "proved beyond reasonable doubt".
Until two months ago, from his office on the fifth floor of The Pentagon, Mr Elizondo, a career intelligence officer, ran the innocuously named Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program (AATIP), which was funded with $22 million in "black ops money" from Congress.
The existence of the real-life X-Files department, which began in 2007, was revealed this week and confirmed by the Pentagon.
In an interview with the Telegraph Mr Elizondo said much of what he could discuss was still classified."
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Old 23rd December 2017, 12:18 PM   #2
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I'm waiting for more info. Elizondo may or may not be what he says he is. Think "insider" 9/11 hero Steve Pieczenik.
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Old 23rd December 2017, 12:22 PM   #3
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Old 23rd December 2017, 12:31 PM   #4
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I'm waiting for more info. Elizondo may or may not be what he says he is. Think "insider" 9/11 hero Steve Pieczenik.
BStrong is exactly right. Before anyone can even begin to think about evaluating this man's assertions about UFOs, people first need to verify that he is what he claims to be. Did he work for the Pentagon heading the department he says he headed? If so, was that department basically doing what he claims it did?
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Old 23rd December 2017, 12:54 PM   #5
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I have only posted this because the source is the Telegraph newspaper. I am frankly stunned it is their headline article, it is so not the kind of story they do, unless it is April 1st.
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Old 23rd December 2017, 01:12 PM   #6
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Here he is on CNN.

Apparently he was the head of the recently revealed "Advanced Aviation Threats" program.
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Old 23rd December 2017, 02:12 PM   #7
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Jason Colavito has an interesting take on the players.
http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/a-...ory-all-linked

But he didn’t resign in 2012 when the program ended. Instead, Luis Elizondo resigned in October of this year, at exactly the same time that he joined former rock star and current UFO nut Tom DeLonge’s To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science, a company that launched on October 11.

For this timeline to have occurred, Elizondo had to have started talks with DeLonge before his resignation. Elizondo also provided details of the program to the media, part of an effort by To the Stars to repair the damage done by its money-grubbing launch and DeLonge’s uninformed appearance on Joe Rogan’s podcast in October. Elizondo did not explain why he waited five years to resign, or why his outrage was timed to being paid by DeLonge’s for-profit venture. The selective outrage strongly implies motives beyond national security.
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Old 23rd December 2017, 03:06 PM   #8
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I would sort of expect that the Biggest News in Human History to be delivered by a less compromised person.
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Old 23rd December 2017, 03:45 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
Luis Elizondo said the existence of supremely advanced unidentified aircraft, using technology that did not belong to any nation, had been "proved beyond reasonable doubt"
I suggest this is funnier and less complex than it seems. Luis Elizondo and Tom Delonge (from Blink182) are trying to raise money for their new UFO chasing company "To the Stars Academy Ltd"
https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/

It's only raised 2.5 million.

Amazingly, a new video has appeared showing a F-18 HUD display and a UFO. Even more amazingly Luis Elzondo provided this video and a co-author to the New York Times for an article on the Pentagon's project. Even more amazing the Department of Defence confirmed it never released any video to anyone.

What lucky timing that Luis found the video after he left and ten years after the video was supposedly shot.
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Old 23rd December 2017, 04:37 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by simonxlong View Post
BStrong is exactly right. Before anyone can even begin to think about evaluating this man's assertions about UFOs, people first need to verify that he is what he claims to be. Did he work for the Pentagon heading the department he says he headed? If so, was that department basically doing what he claims it did?

The Janitorial Dept perhaps?
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Old 23rd December 2017, 04:42 PM   #11
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This thread should be merged with the other "Advanced Threat..." thread. It doesn't pay to have too many threads to attract UFO nutjobs.... best to keep them all in one place.
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Old 24th December 2017, 02:35 AM   #12
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The headline (and hence thread title) is misleading, I don't think anyone doubts that UFOs exist. People see things in the sky which they don't have enough information to identify all the time. It's whether some of them can be identified as alien spacecraft that is debatable. If this guy has concluded that they can he needs to produce some pretty compelling evidence for that conclusion.
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Old 24th December 2017, 02:48 AM   #13
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No other site has gone with the story, which has now disappeared from the Telegraph main page.
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Old 24th December 2017, 03:26 AM   #14
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No other site has gone with the story, which has now disappeared from the Telegraph main page.
That shows they have been fact checking. Pity they didn't do so before they published the bogus story. They must have realised this Elizondo character is not kosher.
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Nope, it's still online. The Telegraph is not what it was.
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Ol' Isaac had something to say: "Such reports are usually based on the sighting of something the sighters cannot explain and that they (or someone else on their behalf) explain as representing an interstellar spaceship-often by saying "But what else can it be?" as though their own ignorance is a decisive factor." Isaac Asimov
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