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Old 10th August 2019, 01:27 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
Or the occasional assassin.
Pakistan is not quite in a state of "Government by Assasination " the way Japan was in the early 1930's but they are getting there....
In fact Japan in the decade before they entered World War 2 is a pretty good parrelel to Pakistand today: The Military holds the real power, they just prefer to use Civilisn puppets other then your standard Military Dictator. But that may change.
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Riots and demostrations already being reported in Kashmir. The government is going all out to prevent "unfriendly" journalists and politicians into Pakisran.
According to official Indian reports, the news of riots is fake.

They're learning how this all works very nicely.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Pakistan is not quite in a state of "Government by Assasination " the way Japan was in the early 1930's but they are getting there....
In fact Japan in the decade before they entered World War 2 is a pretty good parrelel to Pakistand today: The Military holds the real power, they just prefer to use Civilisn puppets other then your standard Military Dictator. But that may change.
Um, Japan was in pretty constant war that whole time you know. They held off attacking european powers until their ally Germany kicked it off but it isn't like they were peaceful before then.

THis is a very america centric view of Japan in WWII.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Um, Japan was in pretty constant war that whole time you know. They held off attacking european powers until their ally Germany kicked it off but it isn't like they were peaceful before then.

THis is a very america centric view of Japan in WWII.
Yeah, Japan was in constant war because they were trying to conquer China, beginning with the aggression in Manchuria in 1931...
ANyway, you don't seem to know a lot about Japan and the build up to World War 2. Let's just say Japan was just as aggressive as their Nazi allies in Europe.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Yeah, Japan was in constant war because they were trying to conquer China, beginning with the aggression in Manchuria in 1931...
Or the invasion of Korea in 1910.
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ANyway, you don't seem to know a lot about Japan and the build up to World War 2. Let's just say Japan was just as aggressive as their Nazi allies in Europe.
Sure they tried to snap up all the european colonies when the germans had them nicely distracted. It is the idea that it is easy to assign a date to the start of WWII, do we do it from when the Germans got into war with poland, when america entered the war, when china was invaded by the japanses, when the japanese invaded korea?

There were a lot of conflicts that over time merged together into WWII it makes dating it not so easy.
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One of India's largest corporations, Reliance, has just announced the impending revelations for large "development" projects for Kashmir just a week before their AGM. This goes to confirm what many suspected about the reasons for the hurried way in which the Aryicles 370 and 35A were abrogated. Modi's biggest funders and supporters are Reliance industtries and Infrastructure giant Adani. Both these companies are revealing plans for Kashmir. Adani's company is getting a lot of flack in Australia about mining contracts that they were given.
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One of India's largest corporations, Reliance, has just announced the impending revelations for large "development" projects for Kashmir just a week before their AGM.
Oh, bingo.

You knew there was going to be money somewhere. Modi really has been taking Trump lessons.
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What about the possibility of Racist Vegetarians?
The Hindu brahmin?
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
Oh, then we are good to go. Fire the nukes. Undoubtedly he doesn't think he will be coming back as an ant.
Maybe he's hoping for a cockroach and to inherit the post-nuclear world?
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
Oh, bingo.

You knew there was going to be money somewhere. Modi really has been taking Trump lessons.
Actually, his strategy was lab tested long before during his tenure as Chief Minister of the state of Gujarat. A mix of PR and advertising harped on the extremely lucrative and successful Gujarat model. However recent revelations have revealed a lot of that was just fluff and the state actually ranks pretty low on various socio-economic indices.

Many of us who watched the US 2016 elections which took place after Modi's win in 2014 were struck by how similar Trump's campaign strategy was very similar to Modi's. To the extent that many of us believed that they had the same campaign consultants. A large portion of BJP party funds originate from Indians settled in the US.
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
What about the possibility of Racist Vegetarians?
Like Hitler?
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Originally Posted by Susheel View Post
Actually, his strategy was lab tested long before during his tenure as Chief Minister of the state of Gujarat. A mix of PR and advertising harped on the extremely lucrative and successful Gujarat model. However recent revelations have revealed a lot of that was just fluff and the state actually ranks pretty low on various socio-economic indices.

Many of us who watched the US 2016 elections which took place after Modi's win in 2014 were struck by how similar Trump's campaign strategy was very similar to Modi's. To the extent that many of us believed that they had the same campaign consultants. A large portion of BJP party funds originate from Indians settled in the US.
And Internet Forums in the US have been flooded by pro BJP posters over the past week.
The bigotry toward Muslims and almost any non Hindu's is incredible. IMHO if they are resident in the US, I would not mind them moving back to India. We have enough bigots of our own to deal with without importing them...
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And Internet Forums in the US have been flooded by pro BJP posters over the past week.
The bigotry toward Muslims and almost any non Hindu's is incredible. IMHO if they are resident in the US, I would not mind them moving back to India. We have enough bigots of our own to deal with without importing them...
Noooooo....please....keep them....
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Modi's image as a brilliant strategist being called into question as economy is on the brink of plummeting. Economists on both sides say India should prepare for the worst. Just before the recent elections I had told my friends that Modi will not lose support even if the streets run with blood...but once investments of the upper caste rich begin to tank, the story will change.
Suspicions that recent high profile political spectacles like the abrogation of Article 370, the Bollywood style arrest of an opposition MP and more were basically diversionary from the issue that could actually hurt Modi's image. Like Trump he had developed this image of possessing a Midas touch and how Gujarat became a great economic powerhouse during his tenure as Chief Minister. However recent socio-economic reports have shown that a lot of these stories were PR fluff.
Today's papers carried the arrest of the opposition MP as the main headline while the economic crisis was pushed to a peripheral location with smaller headlines on the front page.
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Modi's image as a brilliant strategist being called into question as economy is on the brink of plummeting. Economists on both sides say India should prepare for the worst. Just before the recent elections I had told my friends that Modi will not lose support even if the streets run with blood...but once investments of the upper caste rich begin to tank, the story will change.
Suspicions that recent high profile political spectacles like the abrogation of Article 370, the Bollywood style arrest of an opposition MP and more were basically diversionary from the issue that could actually hurt Modi's image. Like Trump he had developed this image of possessing a Midas touch and how Gujarat became a great economic powerhouse during his tenure as Chief Minister. However recent socio-economic reports have shown that a lot of these stories were PR fluff.
Today's papers carried the arrest of the opposition MP as the main headline while the economic crisis was pushed to a peripheral location with smaller headlines on the front page.
This might be just a rumor, but I read that the Disney company put it's plans for a Disneyworld resort at Mumbai on hold because of the turmoil in India. Can't blame them for that. Large inevements in a country headed toward chaos is not a good idea.
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Modi's image as a brilliant strategist being called into question as economy is on the brink of plummeting.
Funny how that's a common thread among the proto-fascists around the world.

Given China's massive fall in growth and EU on the brink of the first quarter of a contraction he'll need a magician to hold the economy together.
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The Republican Party in the US actively courts racist voters by formulating campaign strategies to attract them......and then does it’s level best to deliver on its promises. While every Republican voter is not an active bigot, every active bigot is a Republican voter. They represent fully one-half the population of the US.

That’s right, at the moment racism on an institutional level is the policy of the executive branch of the government and the upper half of the congress.


I have no experience with India, but it doesn’t sound like your problems are much worse than ours.
Dems don't seem to understand their hatred for Republicans they don't even know a thing about is bigotry on steroids. Even worse, it is so common it is tiresome and even boring. You know, the banality of evil.
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Dems don't seem to understand their hatred for Republicans they don't even know a thing about is bigotry on steroids. Even worse, it is so common it is tiresome and even boring. You know, the banality of evil.
SO says the guy who says that Breibart is the most reliable source of information around.
And for a GOPer to accuse the other side of blind hatred is the biggest Irony buster ever
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And for a GOPer to accuse the other side of blind hatred is the biggest Irony buster ever
I don't think the GOP operates in India, so we can maybe leave that for a different thread.

Meanwhile, in Kashmir, things aren't improving: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...150700745.html

19 days. Seems to me like the idea is Modi will just stick to doing no more than has already been done, effectively waiting for someone else to make the first move.

Wins either way.
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Indian Bigotry Causes Borders

Well, seems like the bigoted Hindutva brigade in India has decided that their display of bigotry needs to cross borders. "True" Indian nationalists from the cow belt raised protests against a beef based menu by participants from the southern state of Kerala.
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/stor...656-2019-09-02
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This Tweet summed it up:

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Hindu religion teaches to accept other people and to live together in peace. It is not allowing to create division in the name of caste or religion or the food you eat.
The bad news is, with such an overwhelming majority of Indians being Hindu, the zealots will get bolder and bolder and the attacks will get worse, unless moderate Hindus decide to take a stand, and I'd see that as deeply unlikely. I'd think standing up for diversity and non-Hindi values would be a fast track to just making oneself a target.
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This Tweet summed it up:
Islam is a religion of peace, too.
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Islam is a religion of peace, too.
I always find that one a little hard to swallow.

As I've said many times, I don't discriminate on religions; they're all universally terrible. And see my avatar.

That's why it's nice to see this stuff shared around - hate someone based on what sky-daddy they believe in. Outstanding.
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I always find that one a little hard to swallow.

As I've said many times, I don't discriminate on religions; they're all universally terrible. And see my avatar.

That's why it's nice to see this stuff shared around - hate someone based on what sky-daddy they believe in. Outstanding.
The thing is, pretty much every religion (probably except for Bahá'í) has its fringe extremists. There are extremist Christians and extremist Jews, but they do not represent the majority of followers of that faith.

Rather than saying "all religion is bad" I prefer to acknowledge that "extreme religion is bad", and that the majority of followers of most religions just want to get on with their lives.
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I always find that one a little hard to swallow.

As I've said many times, I don't discriminate on religions; they're all universally terrible. And see my avatar.

That's why it's nice to see this stuff shared around - hate someone based on what sky-daddy they believe in. Outstanding.
Sky daddy, proving Atheists can be bigoted as much as Theists.
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Sky daddy, proving Atheists can be bigoted as much as Theists.
How is referring to a culturally accepted imaginary friend as a "Sky-Daddy" bigotry?
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The bad news is, with such an overwhelming majority of Indians being Hindu, the zealots will get bolder and bolder and the attacks will get worse, unless moderate Hindus decide to take a stand, and I'd see that as deeply unlikely. I'd think standing up for diversity and non-Hindi values would be a fast track to just making oneself a target.
The fact is that Hinduism in practice is not homogeneous. Modes of practice changes from restate to state, region to region, village to village and even community to community. Dietary strictures against beef consumption for Hindus do not apply to non-brahmin Hindus in southern states. This is essentially the influence of upper caste dominant practices from what we call the northern "cow belt". The real agenda is of course an excuse for targeting the Muslims and the lower castes (dalits and tribals). In most cases it is buffalo meat, since a cow is more valuable for people when alive. It is only when the cow becomes non productive that it is culled.
Also, the largest abattoirs and exporters of beef in India are owned by upper caste Hindus and members of the current government.
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Also, the largest abattoirs and exporters of beef in India are owned by upper caste Hindus and members of the current government.
That's no surprise at all - hypocrisy is the same flavour everywhere.
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The Republican Party in the US actively courts racist voters by formulating campaign strategies to attract them......and then does it’s level best to deliver on its promises. While every Republican voter is not an active bigot, every active bigot is a Republican voter. They represent fully one-half the population of the US.

That’s right, at the moment racism on an institutional level is the policy of the executive branch of the government and the upper half of the congress.


I have no experience with India, but it doesn’t sound like your problems are much worse than ours.
It took one post to try to selfishly turn it from a thread about India into about the US and Republicans

That has to be a record


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Seems to me"The Man Who Isn't There" in the room is China, which has sort of a de facto alliance with Pakistan.
SO far China has other concerns, but can't see them ignoring this situation forever.
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Sky daddy, proving Atheists can be bigoted as much as Theists.
You just figured that out?

We have our share of trolls here, who get their jolllies by attacking anybody with religious beliefs.
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You just figured that out?

We have our share of trolls here, who get their jolllies by attacking anybody with religious beliefs.
Maybe just attacking the beliefs themselves.
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Old 10th September 2019, 10:00 PM   #73
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Hany Babu, a former University mate, current Ass. Prof. of Linguistics at Delhi University and pro-bono lawyer (mainly representing another incarcerated university mate, GN Saibaba a 85% disabled polio survivor and rights activist) was booked under the new act and his house searched.
https://m.edexlive.com/article/news/...Mi-_KTihu-vFcs
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https://indianexpress.com/article/in...birla-5983575/
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Clearly a fan of Orwell - some Indians are more equal than others.
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Clearly a fan of Orwell - some Indians are more equal than others.
By claiming this level of literacy, you might be giving this moron too much credit.

The current accusation by police storming activist homes is "Why do you need so many books?"
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The current accusation by police storming activist homes is "Why do you need so many books?"
Jesus, really?

That's straight out of the Khmer Rouge playbook.

And don't go to Specsavers.
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I didn't doubt you at all. It makes horrible reading. He's a professor, what did they expect?

Hard to know whether they're closer to the Khmer Rouge or the Gestapo at this stage.
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I didn't doubt you at all. It makes horrible reading. He's a professor, what did they expect?
Sorry, I wasn't suggesting you did, sorry if it came out that way. I was just providing an illustration of the situation on the ground.
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Sorry, I wasn't suggesting you did, sorry if it came out that way. I was just providing an illustration of the situation on the ground.
No worries - it certainly paints a chilling picture.

You look like the kind of bloke who reads a few books!
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