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Old 9th June 2019, 05:21 AM   #201
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
Heterosexuals shouldn't have pride or parades
Does this mean my girlfriend and I can't hold hands in public because others will see this as us "shoving heterosexuality down their throat" and attack us?
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Old 9th June 2019, 06:00 AM   #202
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I guess the alt-right has forgiven Milo for his child molesting?
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Old 9th June 2019, 06:09 AM   #203
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
I guess the alt-right has forgiven Milo for his child molesting?
I think you need to put that in perspective, it was only objectionable because it was teenage lads not teenage lasses. As we know they are absolutely fine with under age of consent lasses with older men.
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Old 9th June 2019, 06:27 AM   #204
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Of course

He to me has always been an opportunistic **** , who got some limelight and seems a tad narcissistic.

He went OTT with the attention and then as was always going to happen it backfired on him spectacularly.

Now he is just desperate to stay relevant

But at the end of the day people claiming he is alt right is a bit stupid.
His "controversial" ****-stirring caught my attention mometarily, what, a year or more ago? About that time he had some of the most embarrassing "chiclet-teeth" veneers I've ever seen fitted - whoever did the work either really disliked him or just had a great sense of humour [ETA - or both, of course].
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Old 9th June 2019, 06:30 AM   #205
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
Slightly off topic but Nazis are marching in Detroit this week as a protest against Pride.

https://gritpost.com/armed-neo-nazis...ice-escorting/

"Videos from the event Saturday showed neo-Nazi protestors with police escort marching through downtown Detroit during the Motor City Pride festivities. NSM members from across the country reportedly traveled to Detroit to take part in this anti-Pride demonstration."
Any time I see Swastika flags being waved in public I know I'm looking at provocateurs.
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Old 9th June 2019, 07:10 AM   #206
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Every thread is just the same thing these days.

"These Nazis suck."
"Define Nazis."
"These alt-right people suck."
"Prove they're part of the alt-right."
"Here's an article with the guy we're talking about extolling the alt-right." (https://www.bbc.com/news/av/election...o-yiannopoulos.)
"Whatever, he's trolling."
"When these types gather nowadays, there has often been violence and trouble."
"That's just lefties being snowflakes lol."
"You are basically supporting genocide by not caring about what I'm saying."
"Yeah, well, you'd know all about genocide, being a Stalinist!"

There, I saved us all the trouble of continuing.

Oh, don't forget a few comments being thrown in about how gross and uppity gay people having a parade are. The nerve!

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Old 9th June 2019, 07:33 AM   #207
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In all seriousness, cullennz, why are you trying to claim that Milo isn't alt-right? I get annoyed with all the categories these days and hate meticulously breaking people into them, but alt-right is an umbrella term (as has been pointed out). And Milo himself talks about the alt-right and their views constantly.

Here's a random quote: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/m...opoulos_808855

Here's more stuff:
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...-backfired-him

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_Y..._the_alt-right


I don't really get the point of questioning his association with the alt-right. That's like questioning if hydrogen is REALLY part of water.
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Old 9th June 2019, 07:52 AM   #208
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Why shouldn't there be a Hetero Pride parade? It's June and it's Pride month!

Oh, that's Pride®, I forgot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1eiu1ue3zU
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Originally Posted by isissxn View Post
Every thread is just the same thing these days.

"These Nazis suck."
"Define Nazis."
"These alt-right people suck."
"Prove they're part of the alt-right."
"Here's an article with the guy we're talking about extolling the alt-right." (https://www.bbc.com/news/av/election...o-yiannopoulos.)
"Whatever, he's trolling."
"When these types gather nowadays, there has often been violence and trouble."
"That's just lefties being snowflakes lol."
"You are basically supporting genocide by not caring about what I'm saying."
"Yeah, well, you'd know all about genocide, being a Stalinist!"

There, I saved us all the trouble of continuing.

Oh, don't forget a few comments being thrown in about how gross and uppity gay people having a parade are. The nerve!
The internet really has just abandoned discussion to the subcategory of people that think labeling and cataloging is the same thing as... you know having a point or something.
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Old 9th June 2019, 08:08 AM   #210
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It reminds me of, "It's okay to be white". The intolerant show their true colors yet again.
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Old 9th June 2019, 08:52 AM   #211
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
Why shouldn't there be a Hetero Pride parade? It's June and it's Pride month!

Oh, that's Pride®, I forgot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1eiu1ue3zU
Look, if you're sour because you want a parade too, go ahead and throw one!

In New Orleans, they let literally anybody have a parade. Little mini-parades are frolicking around the French Quarter all day.

Quote:
Whether in person or on HBO’s Treme, you’ve seen a second line before: an effervescent brass band playing funky music with a crowd following behind, dancing and drinking its way through the cobblestone streets of the French Quarter. Onlookers wave and cheer or even start following the parade, attracted toward the nomadic festivities like moths to light. You’ve witnessed this and thought, “I want to be like them: the party royalty.”

We have good news. Throwing a parade is easy and relatively cheap. You can throw your own New Orleans second-line parade for as little as $600. Whether for a wedding, birthday, or just for the hell of it, the streets of New Orleans are ready to receive you.
https://nola.curbed.com/2018/5/23/17...ermit-supplies

You get a police escort and everything.
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Old 9th June 2019, 08:54 AM   #212
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
Heterosexuals shouldn't have pride or parades
Yeah it taints the concept of pride parades and makes the gay ones worthless.

Wait a second isn't that the same logic they use in regards to gay marriage?

Let them have it, it's silly, no one cares and you don't have to go. If it let's them vent a little pressure in a non violent way all the better.
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I believe in the fundamental right of everyone to have a parade!

I do think it's quite obvious that this particular straight pride parade is intended to troll (look at the people involved, a gay guy as the leader, trying to do it on move-in week, etc.), but I also think, that being the case, we should just not feed them.

Enjoy your parade, friends! I hope it's a nice one. (If you can get the permit, that is. How's that going, by the way?)
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Yeah it taints the concept of pride parades and makes the gay ones worthless.

Wait a second isn't that the same logic they use in regards to gay marriage?
Yeah and it's also not a reason anyone has ever given for why straight people don't need pride parades, so you've just gotcha'd nobody.
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Straight people don’t face social or legal oppression. We don’t need a parade to assert our legitimacy. This isn’t about expressing pride in being straight.

This about asserting the legitimacy of being anti-gay, which is what is actually becoming stigmatized in our society. This really an Anti-gay Pride Pride.
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But what about White History Month?!?!!??!?!?!
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But what about White History Month?!?!!??!?!?!
And why is it only the first twelve months of the year?
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I'd just love to hear all the "Now Nearby!" alerts on the gay spectators' phones tuned to a gay dating app as the paraders march by.
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Straight people don’t face social or legal oppression. We don’t need a parade to assert our legitimacy. This isn’t about expressing pride in being straight.

This about asserting the legitimacy of being anti-gay, which is what is actually becoming stigmatized in our society. This really an Anti-gay Pride Pride.
Concur.

For similar reasons, the attempted "it's okay to be white" meme is really an attempt to say "it's okay to complain about attempts to combat racism against minorities".
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Concur.

For similar reasons, the attempted "it's okay to be white" meme is really an attempt to say "it's okay to complain about attempts to combat racism against minorities".
Except, of course, that both of these things are in fact okay.
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Except, of course, that both of these things are in fact okay.
And all lives really do matter; but that's not the actual message behind "All Lives Matter" as a response to "Black Lives Matter", the actual message is "shut up about racism already, damn blacks".
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In all seriousness, cullennz, why are you trying to claim that Milo isn't alt-right? I get annoyed with all the categories these days and hate meticulously breaking people into them, but alt-right is an umbrella term (as has been pointed out). And Milo himself talks about the alt-right and their views constantly.

Here's a random quote: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/m...opoulos_808855

Here's more stuff:
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...-backfired-him

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_Y..._the_alt-right


I don't really get the point of questioning his association with the alt-right. That's like questioning if hydrogen is REALLY part of water.
Because if he was he would have to have the most self hate without off'ing himself than is logical
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Any time I see Swastika flags being waved in public I know I'm looking at provocateurs.

Yes they are trying to provoke. However, they are actual neo-Nazis.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Because if he was he would have to have the most self hate without off'ing himself than is logical
Er - are you familiar with Ted Haggard for example.


Milo is making a good living being a "tame" gay.

He probably also appeals to the incels too
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There is an awful lot going on in this post. A lot of it is reactionary and struggling to adapt to a changing culture that is more accepting of difference.

I will say that it is a better world where people with such rusted in prejudices know better than to broadcast them. If they deny the rights and basic human dignity of others they face social backlash and maybe losing their jobs.
Exactly - people learn from what the community approves of.

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Many of the points you've raised were ones I've heard from gay friends. Pride parades are a contentions issue even withing various LGBTQ+ communities.

Pride parades are a complex issue. They have a historical context of acting as a defiant act of normalization. They can provide a safe space for public gathering, something that is still illegal in many parts of the world. For many of the friends I've talked to it's more about being in a safe community gathering than anything else. I've even heard it compared to things like Sci-Fi conventions for the social function.

I think a lot of the conflicting opinions about Pride and its value boil down to people having differing opinions about what it SHOULD mean and what it SHOULD achieve. Does a Pride parade in 2019 Boston have the same social significance as the 1970 NYC Pride March? No. Should Pride Parades come to an end because it won't? That's part of the debate.
I think it should. Organisations like the UK Police forces showing that they have moved on from the spittle-flecked views that Darat quoted is important. Showing bigots that Pride is popular is also good for keeping the bigots ashamed.


I've not yet heard, "I'm not a homophobe but..." although I have genuinely heard the classic with "racist" replacing it. Ensuring bigots are ashamed of their bigotry is worthwhile. When lesbians are not beaten in the UK, then it might be time for that discussion - at the moment, equality isn't there. It's far better and many, maybe most, people are accepting.
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Er - are you familiar with Ted Haggard for example.


Milo is making a good living being a "tame" gay.

He probably also appeals to the incels too
Never heard of this "Ted" bloke, but a quick look at his Wiki, shows that apart from also being gay, there is little comparison
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Straight people don’t face social or legal oppression. We don’t need a parade to assert our legitimacy. This isn’t about expressing pride in being straight.

This about asserting the legitimacy of being anti-gay, which is what is actually becoming stigmatized in our society. This really an Anti-gay Pride Pride.
Yep. Thats it exactly.
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Never heard of this "Ted" bloke, but a quick look at his Wiki, shows that apart from also being gay, there is little comparison
Gay, and promoted homophobic views.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Never heard of this "Ted" bloke, but a quick look at his Wiki, shows that apart from also being gay, there is little comparison
Ted Haggard is completely heterosexual.
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Gay, and promoted homophobic views.
And?

Gay and denies it

Openly gay doesn't promote homophobic views and legally married to a black bloke

Far out

They could be twins

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Except, of course, that both of these things are in fact okay.
It is legal to be racist and anti-gay. That doesn’t mean those things aren’t becoming more and more stigmatized in our society.

Regardless of your definition of “okay”.
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It is legal to be racist and anti-gay. That doesn’t mean those things aren’t becoming more and more stigmatized in our society.



Regardless of your definition of “okay”.
You're assuming things that are not actually provided by the argument.
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You're assuming things that are not actually provided by the argument.
Feel free to elaborate.
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Old 9th June 2019, 06:13 PM   #234
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Concur.

For similar reasons, the attempted "it's okay to be white" meme is really an attempt to say "it's okay to complain about attempts to combat racism against minorities".
No it was a challange to see if people could be riled up by a non offensive phrase. People felt like idiots for falling for it and the only way to save face is to double down.

I'm neither a 4chan fan nor someone to be fooled by it, so I'm just eye rolling at all of you.
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Old 9th June 2019, 06:16 PM   #235
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No it was a challange to see if people could be riled up by a non offensive phrase. People felt like idiots for falling for it and the only way to save face is to double down.

I'm neither a 4chan fan nor someone to be fooled by it, so I'm just eye rolling at all of you.
Somebody else on this forum said it first (I forget who); but to paraphrase: satire involves more than just being obnoxious and then proclaiming success when people call you obnoxious for it.
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By the way, for anyone who's curious (but not bi-curious), evidently this is the "straight pride flag" these folks designed.

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Originally Posted by sadhatter View Post
No it was a challange to see if people could be riled up by a non offensive phrase. People felt like idiots for falling for it and the only way to save face is to double down.

I'm neither a 4chan fan nor someone to be fooled by it, so I'm just eye rolling at all of you.
Many people took it at earnest face value, including right-wing politicians in Australia. I still hear it used earnestly in this way.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-...tates/10385716

And bravo for playing polemics in the struggle for human dignity of an oppressed minority. No, there is more than mere trolling at work and hence the appeal to bigots.
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By the way, for anyone who's curious (but not bi-curious), evidently this is the "straight pride flag" these folks designed.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8eXlB8VsAAxXtB.jpg
Black and white thinking, a supine/prone woman...
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a supine/prone woman...
Indeed, I doubt it's accidental that the "female" symbol is sideways and underneath the correctly-oriented "male" symbol.
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Indeed, I doubt it's accidental that the "female" symbol is sideways and underneath the correctly-oriented "male" symbol.
It's so they could work an "8" into it, a common dog-whistle for neo-Nazis.
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