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Old 13th September 2022, 05:14 AM   #201
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Originally Posted by Nakani View Post
Please, ask me to clarify anything.
In the words of that famous philosopher Jerry Jeff Walker:

"Pissin' in the wind
Bettin' on our losin' friends
Makin' the same mistakes we swear we'll never make again
Pissin' in the wind
But it's blowin' on all our friends
We're gonna sit and grin and tell our grandchildren."
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Old 13th September 2022, 07:21 AM   #202
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Originally Posted by Nakani View Post
Please, ask me to clarify anything.
There's not even enough here for me to form a question. Your ideas are far too vague, I don't see how any of them can be translated into quantifiable predictions, and none of it seems aimed at actually answering any real-world questions.

So what do I want you to clarify? All of it.

But I don't think that's even possible. I don't think you've thought enough about this to even begin to put your ideas into such a form.

My suggestion to you is, if you're actually interested in the subject, learn what's already out there. Because nobody ever revolutionized science without understanding what came before. So if you're actually on to something, this will help you refine your ideas. And if you're not, this will help get you back on the correct path. But right now, you know far too little about existing theories.
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Old 13th September 2022, 07:31 AM   #203
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Originally Posted by Nakani View Post
Please, ask me to clarify anything.
OK. Please clarify anything.
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Old 13th September 2022, 07:40 AM   #204
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It is not printed in human.
It absolutely is. Every single thing humans have ever thought up or found out about quantum mechanics, that they have set down for other humans to see and understand, has been set down in human languages by humans for humans.
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Old 13th September 2022, 07:44 AM   #205
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Originally Posted by Nakani View Post
I am still waiting for an opposing view, we have made fun of my vocabulary, my improper use of terms, etc.. but still no problems with my ideas.

Other than, they are too ridiculous even to read, let alone consider. For reasons only privy to elite physicists.
I am not a physicist, let alone an elite physicist, but even I understand why your "ideas" are too ridiculous to consider.

Expanding the topic of your musings to include buffalo was ridiculous, but less ridiculous than what you were going on about before, and your buffalo nonsense had the virtue of being funny.

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I wanted people interested in Physics to read my post, think about what I mean, question my ideas and point out my mistakes.
Go back to what you wrote just one hour before you started to talk about buffalo, which was unadulterated nonsense.

Here are just a few of the howlers in that one post:

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I think that equation is used to describe the difficulties of measurement. On the left side are representations of uncertainty, not an amount of energy or length of time. Also, it would have to be written <= instead of >= to limit a time variable in the way you describe.

....snip....

Looking into it, this 'Ass' theory is a gaping mess.

Math equations, equate quantum mechanics, they do not explain or cause it. These virtual(near) particles are something, coming from something. If space were a vast singular expanse of empty, what could they be? Before you say fields, I will ask what a field would be made of? A Gods feelings perhaps.

Tetrahedron tiling 3D space leave gaps. Space made with tetrahedron shaped spaces contains a bigger space instead of a smaller gap. The slightly larger spaces pull on the neighboring spaces as they shrink to the smallest size. Where opposing pulls meet, the space is momentarily stretched.

....snip....

Electrons are loops. Embedded within the tetrahedral matrix are shapes. With certain numbers of pieces, circular loops can be made. A loop is isolated with first, a rotational(like a tire) spin, then a back and forth oscillation as the one large space shifts from one side to the other. This oscillation causes the loop to twist(roll).

The rotational spin and the twisting spin combine to give an orientation(s). A directional (j)oscillation of the surrounding spaces is caused by the movement of the loop.

As the loop travels, spaces are funneled through the circle, spinning into a vortex. The spin creates a slightly larger space at the center. The opening is pulled along, creating a single long thin space in the middle of this vortex. With entangled pairs, particles created together, they are connected by this spindral. Some people think this is spooky but I would say it is pretty normal.
I'm going to stop there, because I find myself quoting almost everything you wrote despite my effort to quote only the silliest parts.

You object to "math equations", but you followed that objection with paragraphs chock full of mathematical words (which I highlighted), which you have used without any apparent understanding of what those words mean even in mathematics, let alone what those words might mean in the context of physics.

As for what you think the word "spindral" might mean, I have no idea. It appears to be a style of knitting or a "Metaverse Fashion" company. Or were you referring to an elder Sith prophet of Korriban?

Or maybe "spindral" was a misspelling of "spandrel".

In 2017, a philosopher named Alan Baker introduced the term "mathematical spandrel" to describe certain "penumbral properties" such as "the property that cicada period lengths are expressible as the sum of two perfect squares." By introducing that idea, Baker aims "to open a new front in the debate between platonism and nominalism by arguing that the degree of explanatory entanglement of mathematics in science is much more extensive than has been hitherto acknowledged."
Those who (quite reasonably) consider the debate between platonism and nominalism more interesting than Nakani's as-yet-un-peer-reviewed solution to the Theory of Everything might appreciate the following theorem of number theory.
Sum of Two Squares Theorem. An integer greater than one can be written as a sum of two squares if and only if its prime decomposition contains no factor pk, where prime p ≡ 3 (mod 4) and k is odd.
The smallest integers that can be written as the sum of two squares are
0, 1, 2, 4, 5, 8, 9, 10, 13, 16, 17, 18, 20, 25, 26, 29, 32, ...
and the count of all such integers less than n converges to
bn / (sqrt (log n))
where b ≈ 0.764223653589220662990698731250092328116790541.

Here's the connection between two of those integers (13, 17) and cicadas:
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
The seven periodical cicada species are so named because, in any one location, all members of the population are developmentally synchronized—they emerge as adults all at once in the same year. This periodicity is especially remarkable because their life cycles are so long—13 or 17 years. No other species of cicada in the world (among perhaps 3,000 species) synchronize their development in this way.
Thus ends my attempt to add some mathematical, scientific, and philosophical content to this thread.


Your exposition is gobbledygook because your ideas are gobbledygook.

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Old 13th September 2022, 08:11 AM   #206
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Well, let's start with the tetrahedral matrix.

Are we to assume that all the tetrahedrons are oriented the same, or at least in some repeating pattern? (That's what a matrix would imply.) If so, why do we not observe directional aliasing effects in subatomic phenomena or even at the macro level? Such as, faster causality (a faster speed of light) or stronger forces in directions parallel to the faces of the tetrahedrons?
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If you are buying whan the OP is selling, I have some ocean front property in Iowa you might be interested in.
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Old 13th September 2022, 05:30 PM   #208
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Originally Posted by W.D.Clinger View Post
I am not a physicist, let alone an elite physicist, but even I understand why your "ideas" are too ridiculous to consider.

Expanding the topic of your musings to include buffalo was ridiculous, but less ridiculous than what you were going on about before, and your buffalo nonsense had the virtue of being funny.
Only a small portion of the universe is made of buffalo, could we focus on the rest for a while?

Quote:
Go back to what you wrote just one hour before you started to talk about buffalo, which was unadulterated nonsense.

Here are just a few of the howlers in that one post:


I'm going to stop there, because I find myself quoting almost everything you wrote despite my effort to quote only the silliest parts.

You object to "math equations",
I said equations, equate, they don't explain. I do not object to them, I just don't feel comfortable using them. How come no one has commented on my little math flex near the beginning of the reply? A few months ago I decided I better learn what all these equations mean and started paying attention to the math parts of the lectures. Turns out math is pretty cool!

Quote:
but you followed that objection with paragraphs chock full of mathematical words (which I highlighted), which you have used without any apparent understanding of what those words mean even in mathematics, let alone what those words might mean in the context of physics.
What is important is what they mean in the context of that sentence.

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As for what you think the word "spindral" might mean, I have no idea. It appears to be a style of knitting or a "Metaverse Fashion" company. Or were you referring to an elder Sith prophet of Korriban?

Or maybe "spindral" was a misspelling of "spandrel".

In 2017, a philosopher named Alan Baker introduced the term "mathematical spandrel" to describe certain "penumbral properties" such as "the property that cicada period lengths are expressible as the sum of two perfect squares." By introducing that idea, Baker aims "to open a new front in the debate between platonism and nominalism by arguing that the degree of explanatory entanglement of mathematics in science is much more extensive than has been hitherto acknowledged."
Those who (quite reasonably) consider the debate between platonism and nominalism more interesting than Nakani's as-yet-un-peer-reviewed solution to the Theory of Everything might appreciate the following theorem of number theory.
Sum of Two Squares Theorem. An integer greater than one can be written as a sum of two squares if and only if its prime decomposition contains no factor pk, where prime p ≡ 3 (mod 4) and k is odd.
The smallest integers that can be written as the sum of two squares are
0, 1, 2, 4, 5, 8, 9, 10, 13, 16, 17, 18, 20, 25, 26, 29, 32, ...
and the count of all such integers less than n converges to
bn / (sqrt (log n))
where b ≈ 0.764223653589220662990698731250092328116790541.

Here's the connection between two of those integers (13, 17) and cicadas:

Thus ends my attempt to add some mathematical, scientific, and philosophical content to this thread.


Your exposition is gobbledygook because your ideas are gobbledygook.
LOL, I forgot about 'spindral', my computer didn't like it, I meant to go back but forgot. Apparently it is a word I invented, I could swear otherwise though.

Spindral
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noun

Quantum physics, a tiny tornado like structure.

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Old 13th September 2022, 07:47 PM   #209
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Originally Posted by Nakani View Post
Only a small portion of the universe is made of buffalo, could we focus on the rest for a while?

I said equations, equate, they don't explain. I do not object to them, I just don't feel comfortable using them. How come no one has commented on my little math flex near the beginning of the reply? A few months ago I decided I better learn what all these equations mean and started paying attention to the math parts of the lectures. Turns out math is pretty cool!



What is important is what they mean in the context of that sentence.



LOL, I forgot about 'spindral', my computer didn't like it, I meant to go back but forgot. Apparently it is a word I invented, I could swear otherwise though.

Spindral
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Quantum physics, a tiny tornado like structure.
Might have been a good idea to do that BEFORE you embarked on your "theory".
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Well, let's start with the tetrahedral matrix.

Are we to assume that all the tetrahedrons are oriented the same, or at least in some repeating pattern? (That's what a matrix would imply.)
Yes!


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If so, why do we not observe directional aliasing effects in subatomic phenomena or even at the macro level? Such as, faster causality (a faster speed of light) or stronger forces in directions parallel to the faces of the tetrahedrons?
Keep in mind the tetrahedrons are not in a fixed position. When pushed or pulled on by neighboring spaces, they move accordingly. 'Matrix', kind of implies a framework upon which, something else happens. In this case, the matrix, is the something which happens.

Like field theory, just add energy(motion) and things appear.
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I had to check this because my geometry isn't that great.

Tetrahedrons do not tesselate in 3d space.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
I had to check this because my geometry isn't that great.

Tetrahedrons do not tesselate in 3d space.
It is necessary that they do not, for my theory to work. Somebody didn't read my posts.
Thankyou for your interest.

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Originally Posted by Nakani View Post
A necessary property for my theory to work. Somebody didn't read my posts.
Thankyou for your interest though.
Your posts are incoherent.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Your posts are hard to follow.
ftfy
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This is not just hard to follow. This is gibberish:

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Logic would dictate that solid matter does not exist, so it starts with nothing. This nothing though, is not true nothing. There is a space, still nothing but not quite.

This space is as small as can be, right next to all the other spaces. One space is the necessity for two, three and the rest. This is happening in an instant, until all the spaces are there.
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If the tetrahedrons in the matrix move around, why call them tetrahedrons? What exactly do they have four of?
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
I had to check this because my geometry isn't that great.

Tetrahedrons do not tesselate in 3d space.
Correct. On the other hand, alternating tetrahedra and octahedra do fill 3D space. The cube is the only Platonic solid that fills space by itself.

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If the tetrahedrons in the matrix move around, why call them tetrahedrons? What exactly do they have four of?
This is a great question and fortunately, and thanks to my absolutely superb internet skills, I was able to answer it.

After thoroughly checking several adult oriented websites (Hint! Hint!), I have determined that the tetrahedrons who are wandering around in the Matrix are actually looking for some 'Hot Monkey Tetrahedron Love'.

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ftfy
No, you fixed it for yourself only.
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If the tetrahedrons in the matrix move around, why call them tetrahedrons? What exactly do they have four of?
They have four neighboring spaces.
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Why is the matrix of space two-dimensional?
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
This is not just hard to follow. This is gibberish:
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Logic would dictate that solid matter does not exist, so the universe must start from nothing. This nothing though, is not true nothing. There is distance and thus a space, it is still nothing but not quite.

This space is as small as can be. One space is the necessity creates the possibility for two, three and the rest.
How about this configuration?

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This is happening in an instant, until all the spaces are there.
As for this part, It implies the 'big bang', has always been and is still happening.
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<Gibberish Snipped>

I feel like there might be a few questions already. If not, I'll try Magnets next.
No questions from me. So move on then. Hint: they stick together.

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No questions from me. So move on then. Hint: they stick together.

Unless they repel....
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Unless they repel....
Doesn't that depend on their sex gender?
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If the tetrahedrons in the matrix move around, why call them tetrahedrons? What exactly do they have four of?

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No questions from me. So move on then. Hint: they stick together.

I was doing a bit of pre-post research on the subject and my explanation was a bit crude, I have been stalling until I have a better understanding. I will make some radical speculations about photons though.


When an electron shifts to a lower position around an atom it leaves one area for another. The disturbance it made in the spaces at the first area is cut off from the new position. This severs the spindraltm causing the larger space threaded throughout the area to collapse. This collapse causes the photon.

The sudden pull of the spaces causes a tension to transfer out across space. A collapse of an area containing more large spaces is more abrupt and causes a shorter wave, a softer pull gives long waves. Both travel at the same speed, like a tug on a taught rope, a gentle pull or a sharp yank are felt at the same speed, by someone holding the rope. The photon does not 'appear' until something interferes with it. The photon is traveling tension, when it hits an atom, the tension is transformed.

The atom and the existing orbitals have structure due to their internal motion; this blocks the travel of the tension. As the photon collapses the tension is momentarily transformed back into the orbital it was. If the atom is not already at capacity, this collision of orbitals redistributes the electrons to include the new area. If the photon does not contain enough potential for space and the orbital is not big enough to facilitate the next rhythm, it collapses and the photon is created again, leaving the electrons where they were.


If you send monochromatic light through glass, it shows the quantized nature of space.

When a photon reaches the glass, it could miss the atoms and pass right through I guess, I don't care about those ones. It is the ones that interact with the glass that I want to talk about.

The structure of glass is an amorphous matrix of loops, made of tetrahedrons. When the photon encounters a glass atom, and there are no electrons it can interact with, it transfers the tension into the glass atoms. This tension is transferred across the complete thickness of the glass. The size of the photon changes scales as it passes through the new medium, at a certain thickness the size of the glass structure compared to the size of the wave, matches the original size of the wave compared to the size of the pieces of space (its original medium). When the ratio is the same the photon passes through with ease.

If you make the glass a bit thicker, the size of the wave scales up but the size of the structure of glass remains constant. This causes the wave to be a bit out of phase with its medium and the photon sometimes can't make a connection to the other side, these are the ones that collapse and come back as reflection.

Double the optimal thickness and the ratio returns to equal. The wave vs medium phase shift is at its farthest, halfway between the two optimal ranges and the failure rate is at its highest. At the double thickness the photon is twice as long, the wave size continues to scale up as the thickness of the glass increases.



I feel this is a good time to add something I have been omitting. The spaces are as small as can be, but most quantum mechanics does not happen at that scale. The electron for example, is not made from a loop of Planck sized spaces, it is made from larger tetrahedrons that are made of the smallest spaces.
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You are aware there are no glass atoms?
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Not even aware that electron "orbits" aren't actually altitudes above the nucleus.
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When an electron shifts to a lower position around an atom it leaves one area for another.
No, it doesn't. Electron orbitals overlap. They are able to occupy the same space.

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A collapse of an area containing more large spaces is more abrupt and causes a shorter wave, a softer pull gives long waves.
No.

When electrons are in a superposition of a ground state and an excited state, that superposition is a time-dependent state which oscillates. And oscillating charge emits electromagnetic radiation. The frequency of oscillation is determined by the energy difference between the states, and is exactly equal to the photon frequency.

You have no clue about quantum mechanics. No shame in that, most people don't, and no matter how smart you are, you still won't know the subject unless you study it at length.

But you clearly haven't studied the subject at length, you clearly don't know it, you clearly don't understand what's already known.

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No, it doesn't.
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You are aware there are no glass atoms?
Yeah, you are aware being pedantic is not cool?
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No, it doesn't. Electron orbitals overlap. They are able to occupy the same space.
Do you mean atoms share orbitals or are you saying that around a single atom the orbitals overlap? Could you link me to examples?

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When electrons are in a superposition of a ground state and an excited state, that superposition is a time-dependent state which oscillates. And oscillating charge emits electromagnetic radiation. The frequency of oscillation is determined by the energy difference between the states, and is exactly equal to the photon frequency.
Again, could you recommend some links that may reform my theory? no wiki please
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Do you mean atoms share orbitals or are you saying that around a single atom the orbitals overlap? Could you link me to examples?
Both. But it's simpler to stick with a single atom. Any atom. The orbitals overlap. Just look up what they look like. For example, the 1S and 2S orbitals are both spherical and nonzero at the center of the atom. They overlap.

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If you really want to learn this stuff, you're going to need a textbook.

But even if you go that route, there's a few prerequisites. You also need to know multivariate calculus, differential equations, and linear algebra. This is not a simple topic. It takes literal years of study. But it's the only way, if you really want to learn.
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Both. But it's simpler to stick with a single atom. Any atom. The orbitals overlap. Just look up what they look like. For example, the 1S and 2S orbitals are both spherical and nonzero at the center of the atom. They overlap.
They do not overlap, is there not a node of zero probability that separates each orbital?
I have seen the pictures of orbitals, and none show them intersecting each other.

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What happens to the 'states', as the electron oscillates between them? Do they stay there, or do they disappear?
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They do not overlap, is there not a node of zero probability that separates each orbital?
No. You don’t understand nodes. The nodes separate different parts of the SAME orbital, they do not separate different orbitals. Oh, and the 1s orbital has no nodes.

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I have seen the pictures of orbitals, and none show them intersecting each other.
Because they graph them separately to make it easier to visualize each one without the whole thing becoming a jumbled mess.

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What happens to the 'states', as the electron oscillates between them? Do they stay there, or do they disappear?
You misunderstand. It does not oscillate between the states. It oscillates in space. So a 2p orbital/1s orbital superposition state will oscillate from being mostly on one side of the nucleus to mostly on the other and then back again. What’s changing isn’t the energy states, but only the phase relationship between them.

Yes, this is confusing if you have not studied quantum mechanics. No, I can’t explain it better if you don’t have the math background to understand it. Quantum mechanics is not easy. You have to study it, you have to do the math, if you really want to understand. This forum cannot suffice as a substitute for actual study. And you have not actually studied it.
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Yeah, you are aware being pedantic is not cool?
You are the one claiming to present a new ground breaking scientific research method.

Pointing out an error even a high-school student should not make is not pedantic, it shows you have only superficial knowledge about the subject and absolutely no clue on how to write a scientific discourse.

Your answer shows you also are unable to accept criticism of your pet theory in an objective manner, which again suggests you have no actual rebuttal founded in your theory or any scientific knowledge.
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* nonsense snipped*

If you send monochromatic light through glass, it shows the quantized nature of space.

When a photon reaches the glass, it could miss the atoms and pass right through I guess, I don't care about those ones. It is the ones that interact with the glass that I want to talk about.

The structure of glass is an amorphous matrix of loops, made of tetrahedrons. When the photon encounters a glass atom, and there are no electrons it can interact with, it transfers the tension into the glass atoms.

* nonsense snipped*
Why would a photon miss an electron cloud and hit the nucleus???
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Yeah, you are aware being pedantic is not cool?
And neither is a total misuse of incredibly basic terminology.

Pointing that out is not pedantry, but necessary accuracy.

You are making scientific claims, so you need to use the language of science accurately and consistently. Most of us with any sort of science background had this hammered into us at school and then really hammered into us at university.

You don't get to just change words with a long-established and accepted definition just to suit your own purposes.

ETA Another example is you describing glass as amorphous, but following that by saying it is made up of shapes, such as loops and tetrahedrons, which makes it not at all amorphous...

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They do not overlap, is there not a node of zero probability that separates each orbital?
Um, no, there is not.

The electron in a 2S orbital has a node. The radial part of the 2s wave function in a Hydrogen atom is proportional to (2 - r)*exp(-r/2), and therefore it has a node when r = 2 (in whatever atomic units we are talking about). However, it has non-zero value at r < 2 and r >2.

The function for the 1S orbital is proportional to exp(-r/2), and so therefore does not have a node.

Both are spherical.

You can see that the 1S and 2S orbitals, in fact, overlap every where in space except at r = 2, where the 2S function has a node.
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ETA Another example is you describing glass as amorphous, but following that by saying it is made up of shapes, such as loops and tetrahedrons, which makes it not at all amorphous...
In fairness, that's not what amorphous means in the context of glass. It means not crystaline. The atoms still form shapes, just not a crystal structure with a repeating pattern of those shapes.

Everything else he said was wrong, just not that one but.
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