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Old 26th August 2020, 05:44 AM   #321
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Nayna puts forth the hypothesis that the crowd is comfortable with mass public shaming IRL b/c they've been acculterated to performative shaming online. I think he may be on to something here, if only because I've trouble imagining feeling that good about bullying someone like this.
Seems to me that months of sustained street protests can better explain why groups of protesters might feel emboldened to make public demands. Why bend yourself over backwards trying to make some connection to internet wokescolds?

I see no hallmarks of the supposed "cancel culture" here. Nobody is trying or threatening to get anyone fired. Nobody is trying to dox this lady.

I think this is a useful example of the real definition of "cancel culture", which is any activity that reactionaries don't like.
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Old 26th August 2020, 05:46 AM   #322
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So just any video of any altercation is "LOOKIT LIBRUL CANCEL CULTURE OMG PONIES!!11!!!" now?

Dear God look at this Cancel Culture! *Post screenshot of the 2019 Royal Rumble Match*
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Old 26th August 2020, 05:46 AM   #323
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
I think this is a useful example of the real definition of "cancel culture", which is any activity that reactionaries don't like.
I think this here is an excellent example of going ad hominem instead of addressing the social phenomenon of mob justice.
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Old 26th August 2020, 05:48 AM   #324
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
I think this here is an excellent example of going ad hominem instead of talking about the social phenomenon of mob justice.
I see a mob, but no lynching.

This lady got shouted at. Not a pleasant experience, I'm sure, but I see no lingering injury.

I would agree that this group of protesters is engaging in dumb and tedious tactics here, but there's no scandal. Sucks that this lady's cafe visit was ******, life goes on.

How is this "cancel culture". Who got cancelled? What attempts were made to cancel anyone? This lady got shouted out by a passing group of misguided protesters. This is even more pathetic than the normal right wing grievance mongering.
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Old 26th August 2020, 05:52 AM   #325
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Seems to me that months of sustained street protests can better explain why groups of protesters might feel emboldened to make public demands.
What are they demanding of the woman in the pink blouse?
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Old 26th August 2020, 05:54 AM   #326
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
What are they demanding of the woman in the pink blouse?
Given the chants of "white silence is violence", i'm assuming they want some gesture of solidarity with the general BLM protest movement.

How is this cancel culture? She got yelled at. Cry me a river already.
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Old 26th August 2020, 05:57 AM   #327
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
What are they demanding of the woman in the pink blouse?
WHY THE **** ARE YOU ASKING US WHEN YOU'RE THE ONE WHO POSTED THE VIDEO!?
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
WHY THE **** ARE YOU ASKING US WHEN YOU'RE THE ONE WHO POSTED THE VIDEO!?
He/she/they wasn't the one who said the protesters were 'making demands'.

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Here I am being told that progressives are the real snowflakes.

How is this story of a lady getting yelled at newsworthy?

I'm sure watching the video gave Andy Ngo another brain injury, but other than that, what's the scandal here?

With all the riots and such going on these days, you'd think the reactionary right could churn out some better outrage bait than this.
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Old 26th August 2020, 06:05 AM   #330
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
WHY THE **** ARE YOU ASKING US WHEN YOU'RE THE ONE WHO POSTED THE VIDEO!?
It's his schtick. He is addicted to creating cheap gotcha situations. He already knew what the crowd was about but he preferred to wait until some people posted and now he can grin and say "See, they screamed at her just because she refused to raise her fist"
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Old 26th August 2020, 06:11 AM   #331
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Originally Posted by RedStapler View Post
"See, they screamed at her just because she refused to raise her fist"
Is that why they are screaming at her, in your understanding?
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Old 26th August 2020, 06:12 AM   #332
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
With all the riots and such going on these days, you'd think the reactionary right could churn out some better outrage bait than this.
Have you thought about addressing the incident itself instead of performing Bulverism?
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Old 26th August 2020, 06:15 AM   #333
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Have you thought about addressing the incident itself instead of performing Bulverism?
I am addressing the incident. Some protesters were rude and had dumb ideas. How is this cancel culture? Nobody got cancelled.

You posted it in this thread, care to explain how it is relevant at all?
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
You posted it in this thread, care to explain how it is relevant at all?
Sure thing. Can you tell what demands are being made here, and how those demands are being enforced?
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Sure thing. Can you tell what demands are being made here, and how those demands are being enforced?
No. I see people shouting, and nothing of any substance happening. I don't understand how this video is at all newsworthy and sure would love an explanation for why it's relevant to this thread, or to anything at all.
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
I think this here is an excellent example of going ad hominem instead of addressing the social phenomenon of mob justice.
I'm genuinely slightly confused (to be fair it's been a lifelong affliction), I thought "cancel culture" was meant to be something new, that it was distinct from what people could and did do in the past? (The "past" usually meaning pre-internet or pre-mass social media.)
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I'm genuinely slightly confused (to be fair it's been a lifelong affliction), I thought "cancel culture" was meant to be something new, that it was distinct from what people could and did do in the past? (The "past" usually meaning pre-internet or pre-mass social media.)
My understanding is that cancel culture was a specific phenomena of internet mobs getting people doxxed and fired or otherwise ostracized for perceived breaches of social norms.

None of those things have happened here, I honestly don't see the connection.
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I'm genuinely slightly confused (to be fair it's been a lifelong affliction), I thought "cancel culture" was meant to be something new, that it was distinct from what people could and did do in the past? (The "past" usually meaning pre-internet or pre-mass social media.)
I'd say the online virality is the only part that is new here.

Mob justice and struggle sessions performative public humiliation are as old as humanity, I would imagine.

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None of those things have happened here, I honestly don't see the connection.
That's odd, since it's fairly bleeding obvious.
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post



That's odd, since it's fairly bleeding obvious.
Some of us are a bit slow, why don't you explain it instead of beating around the bush?
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Old 26th August 2020, 06:40 AM   #340
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Some of us are a bit slow, why don't you explain it instead of beating around the bush?
Sure thing. What demands can you see the crowd making and what sanctions are they threatening?
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Sure thing. What demands can you see the crowd making and what sanctions are they threatening?
You tell me bud, it's your example. Spare me the Socratic shtick and just make your point already.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
You tell me bud, it's your example. Spare me the Socratic shtick and just make your point already.
Please see posts #325 & #328.
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Please see posts #325 & #328.
This is a waste of time. Truly impressive effort to avoid saying anything substantial while just regurgitating the right wing's outrage of the day. It's nice to have a hobby, I guess.
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
I'd say the online virality is the only part that is new here.

Mob justice and struggle sessions performative public humiliation are as old as humanity, I would imagine.

...snip...
Earlier when I mentioned the likes of pressure groups I thought you were saying cancel culture is different, but I'm thinking you are in fact saying it is the same behaviour we've always had?

What do you want to happen in regards to " cancel culture"? Do you want some components of that behaviour to made illegal? For private companies like Twitter and Facebook to not their platforms for people to protest? And so on?
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What do you want to happen in regards to " cancel culture"?
Please see my response at post #177.
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Please see my response at post #177.
1) How do you know people are not doing that?
2) If they aren't how are you going to get people to behave as you wish them to rather than how they wish to behave?
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1) How do you know people are not doing that?
Do the people in the video look as if they have stopped to take a moment to carefully consider whether they are doing the right thing by surrounding and publicly shaming the woman in the pink blouse? Do they seem to have asked themselves whether it makes sense to instill fear-based compliance in those whom they see as transgressing the emergent moral norm? I'd say no to both.

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2) If they aren't how are you going to get people to behave as you wish them to rather than how they wish to behave?
I doubt that there is any reasoning with folks who've worked themselves into a lather of self-righteous rage.
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Is that why they are screaming at her, in your understanding?
Please see my response #330.
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Do the people in the video look as if they have stopped to take a moment to carefully consider whether they are doing the right thing by surrounding and publicly shaming the woman in the pink blouse? Do they seem to have asked themselves whether it makes sense to instill fear-based compliance in those whom they see as transgressing the emergent moral norm? I'd say no to both. ...snip...
Hang on the last link then is an example "cancel culture"? I'm now totally confused now about what you mean by cancel culture??
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Hang on the last link then is an example "cancel culture"?
It is an example of at least two elements of cancel culture, that is, self-righteous indignation over a perceived transgression and an attempt by the affronted mob to collectively modify the behaviour of the transgressor.
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It is an example of at least two elements of cancel culture, that is, self-righteous indignation over a perceived transgression and an attempt by the affronted mob to collectively modify the behaviour of the transgressor.
Now tell me about the Montgomery bus boycott.
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Please see my response #330.
What is your understanding of the situation, though?
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Now tell me about the Montgomery bus boycott.
Are you trying to say that sometimes mob action is thought through and well-justified, therefore mob action is always good?
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What is your understanding of the situation, though?
Please see my response #330.
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See, they screamed at her just because she refused to raise her fist
Is this what you think actually happened?
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Is this what you think actually happened?
you might be giving Bob a run for his money with this tedium.
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you might be giving Bob a run for his money with this tedium.
Seems weird that RedStapler won't go so far as to say whether that fake quote was intended as a characterization of what actually happened or not.
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Seems weird that RedStapler won't go so far as to say whether that fake quote was intended as a characterization of what actually happened or not.
Seems odd that you are really dead-set on refusing to characterize what you think is happening in the video, even though you're the one that posted it.
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Seems odd that you are really dead-set on refusing to characterize what you think is happening in the video, even though you're the one that posted it.
Did you miss post #350?
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Did you miss post #350?
I did.

It strikes me as an absurdly broad definition. Does cancel culture, to your eye, mean any kind of attempt to enforce social norms?
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