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View Poll Results: Is a Trump impeachment likely?
Yes, expect to see it happen sometime in the near future. 38 31.15%
No, Trump is safe(for now) 46 37.70%
Don't know 18 14.75%
On planet X Trump will dissolve Congress fire everyone and declare himself POTUS for life 20 16.39%
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Old 25th May 2017, 07:27 AM   #161
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Originally Posted by Crossbow View Post
Considering that Trump has hired a lawyer to help sort out the various Trump problems, then it is safe to say that even Trump himself has realized that 'the Donald' is in some serious trouble.
Trump will solve the problem the usual way: with an out-of-court settlement with Mueller without admitting any wrongdoing.
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Old 25th May 2017, 08:43 AM   #162
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
The other side of the coin is that with enough political will the articles of impeachment can simply say "we don't like you."
Andrew Johnson was impeached on little more than that, and the removal vote in the Senate fell one vote short.
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Old 25th May 2017, 08:57 AM   #163
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
The other side of the coin is that with enough political will the articles of impeachment can simply say "we don't like you."
In politics, appearances can, and often do, define reality.
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Old 25th May 2017, 09:08 AM   #164
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
The other side of the coin is that with enough political will the articles of impeachment can simply say "we don't like you."
I'm sure the people arguing that Trump can remove Comey for any whim would readily agree Congress can similarly impeach (but more so if the president were a Democrat).
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Old 25th May 2017, 09:14 AM   #165
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All impeachment needs to be valid is to be politically defensible, and that only if we assume that those voting for it want to be reelected. That bar is easily cleared in the case of the current occupant of the Oval Office.
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Old 26th May 2017, 01:44 AM   #166
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We're clearly not at a tipping point where The Republicans in the House are ready to be more loyal to their country than their party. We're heading in that direction certainly. In the mean time, an organized, on message resistance needs continue to make being president miserable for The Hair. The trolling of him on Twitter is a good start but needs to be more organized hitting and repeating key messages of failure, body image, stupidity. We know the things that set him off on irrational tweet storms. The opposition to him needs to be more organized in hitting those buttons.
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We're clearly not at a tipping point where The Republicans in the House are ready to be more loyal to their country than their party. We're heading in that direction certainly.
Is there any indication that the tipping point will ever be reached ?
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Old 26th May 2017, 05:05 AM   #168
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Originally Posted by Beerina View Post
Impeachment is a political process, and is not reviewable by the other branches. I'm not sure it even has to be a defined crime.

Obstruction of justice would not be a crime in this case, as there are no strings attached to what reasons the president has to stop a particular investigation, nor could there be (e.g. a law) because Congress can have no authority over the exercise of a direct power by another branch without the Constitution specifying so.

Stopping an investigation into himself is a smarmy thing to do, and politically stupid, but is not illegal.

That doesn't necessarily mean Congress couldn't impeach him over it anyway. Maybe.

Nixon's obstruction of justice was in the attempt at a cover up, not in the firing of the special prosecutor.
The investigation he tried to obstruct was officially into collusion between his campaign and the Russians. Meaning, the perpetrators were possibly others, and not himself. It is not an investigation into HIS personal misconduct solely.
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Old 26th May 2017, 05:11 AM   #169
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Is there any indication that the tipping point will ever be reached ?
I think if the special prosecutor came back and said Flynn or Kushner were his intermediaries Congress might act.
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
I think if the special prosecutor came back and said Flynn or Kushner were his intermediaries Congress might act.
I don't share your confidence I'm afraid.


edited to add......

I'd like to think it's the case, but every time I think that the GOP couldn't possibly be that spineless - they prove me wrong

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I think if the special prosecutor came back and said Flynn or Kushner were his intermediaries Congress might act.
I think he'd have to have incredibly strong evidence for Congress to act. Not just the sort of solid circumstantial case that a good prosecutor might use to get a conviction in a normal court, but an absolute slam dunk.
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Old 28th May 2017, 10:34 PM   #172
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Fox has a 100% monopoly on the pro-Trump audience.
Not so much, One America News Network is slowly but steadily growing and siphoning off people who now group Fox in with the MSM.
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Old 28th May 2017, 10:35 PM   #173
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
I don't share your confidence I'm afraid.


edited to add......

I'd like to think it's the case, but every time I think that the GOP couldn't possibly be that spineless - they prove me wrong
Not spineless. Complicit. We could see McConnell and Ryan taken down first because they don't have the technical protection Trump does.
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The more the Trump spectacle interferes with the Congressional GOP agenda, the more likely they are to want to trade Trump in for Pence.

That is the bottom line. It's not like the GOP Congress actually supports Trump. I don't believe for a minute he is more to them than a means to an end.
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Considering the entire GOP colluded with Russia as well, I doubt they will pursue impeachment. They are all compromised.
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This must be a horror scenario for the Intelligence Service and FBI: they have all kinds of actionable intel,but they can't take it to Congress or the White House because they are exactly the people they are investigating.
The constitution didn't account for this.
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This must be a horror scenario for the Intelligence Service and FBI: they have all kinds of actionable intel,but they can't take it to Congress or the White House because they are exactly the people they are investigating.
The constitution didn't account for this.
Hence the very real possibility of a counter-coup against the regime. That's when things get messy as opposed to complicated.
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Hence the very real possibility of a counter-coup against the regime. That's when things get messy as opposed to complicated.
It would be a coup, not a counter-coup, even I agree that sounds better: Trump got elected, even if only because too many people got manipulated to vote wrong or not at all: the ballots themselves were not rigged to any sufficient degree.

But a coup can be fully legitimate if the White House, Congress and the DOJ don't fulfill their obligations to uphold the Constitution.
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It would be a coup, not a counter-coup, even I agree that sounds better: Trump got elected, even if only because too many people got manipulated to vote wrong or not at all: the ballots themselves were not rigged to any sufficient degree.
Aside from the question of direct vs indirect vote rigging, there is a growing body of evidence that there was in fact direct vote tampering.

Mike Farb is doing exhaustive work documenting testimony regarding rigged EVM/EVCM, and statistical analysis to back it up, and Jonathan Simon has been discussing the issue for years.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
It would be a coup, not a counter-coup, even I agree that sounds better: Trump got elected, even if only because too many people got manipulated to vote wrong or not at all: the ballots themselves were not rigged to any sufficient degree.

But a coup can be fully legitimate if the White House, Congress and the DOJ don't fulfill their obligations to uphold the Constitution.
Regardless, it's a very dangerous path to tread.
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Regardless, it's a very dangerous path to tread.
I would easily call it the most dangerous in modern history.
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Not spineless. Complicit. We could see McConnell and Ryan taken down first because they don't have the technical protection Trump does.
What does anyone have on McConnell? Do they have anything on Ryan other than the conversation with McCarthy?
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Not so much, One America News Network is slowly but steadily growing and siphoning off people who now group Fox in with the MSM.
As someone not based (anymore) in the US, I am not familiar with this network. Is it all crazy-right wing stuff masquerading as news or is there actual journalism, just through a right-ish lens?
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What does anyone have on McConnell? Do they have anything on Ryan other than the conversation with McCarthy?
http://www.bluedotdaily.com/paul-rya...he-presidency/

With McConnell there is his previously disclosed association with pro-Putin foreign businessmen, plus his repeated active steps to prevent investigation and disclosure going all the way back to mid-2016. A position he continues to hold denying the need for a fully independent investigator despite the overwhelming mountain of evidence of Trump/Russia ties.

There's also this:

http://bipartisanreport.com/2017/04/...ussia-details/

But the sources are not as open as they are elsewhere.

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As someone not based (anymore) in the US, I am not familiar with this network. Is it all crazy-right wing stuff masquerading as news or is there actual journalism, just through a right-ish lens?
It's crazy-right wing stuff masquerading as news. They had an anchor quit live on air because he refused to cover the sexual assault allegations against 'ally' Roger Ailes.
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With McConnell there is his previously disclosed association with pro-Putin foreign businessmen
I'm not finding this. Who are the foreign businessmen he's connected with and what's the nature of his connection?
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It's crazy-right wing stuff masquerading as news. They had an anchor quit live on air because he refused to cover the sexual assault allegations against 'ally' Roger Ailes.
hahahaha!!! WTF? I am looking that up right away
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hahahaha!!! WTF? I am looking that up right away
My memory might be faulty and that incident might have been a Newsmax anchor.
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My memory might be faulty and that incident might have been a Newsmax anchor.
Indeed, it was Newsmax, but for the exact reason you specified.
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As someone not based (anymore) in the US, I am not familiar with this network. Is it all crazy-right wing stuff masquerading as news or is there actual journalism, just through a right-ish lens?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_America_News_Network

Given the references I've seen in various comment sections calling for people to abandon Fox because it has "sold out" in favor of this channel I can only conclude that it is even worse than Fox (which is still a right-wing shill network despite a few signs of decency peeking out recently).
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_America_News_Network

Given the references I've seen in various comment sections calling for people to abandon Fox because it has "sold out" in favor of this channel I can only conclude that it is even worse than Fox (which is still a right-wing shill network despite a few signs of decency peeking out recently).
I know nothing about them either, but just the name, the big eagle logo and the American flag in the background tell you all you need to know. Hell, Colbert did that as a joke years ago, and now conservatives are doing it seriously.
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I'm not finding this. Who are the foreign businessmen he's connected with and what's the nature of his connection?
http://samuel-warde.com/2017/04/mitc...uperpac-money/

http://bipartisanreport.com/2017/05/...-fbi-notified/
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I saw this stuff on one of the other threads, I thought maybe you were referencing some other connection. These look like donations from Len Blavatnik's companies. He's American. Crazy rich and apparently cozy with Putin, but definitely American.
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As someone not based (anymore) in the US, I am not familiar with this network. Is it all crazy-right wing stuff masquerading as news or is there actual journalism, just through a right-ish lens?
They're exactly like MSNBC, bet you know who they are?
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I know nothing about them either, but just the name, the big eagle logo and the American flag in the background tell you all you need to know. Hell, Colbert did that as a joke years ago, and now conservatives are doing it seriously.
Lol

Your post tells me all I need to know.
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This must be a horror scenario for the Intelligence Service and FBI: they have all kinds of actionable intel,but they can't take it to Congress or the White House because they are exactly the people they are investigating.
The constitution didn't account for this.
How completely stupid!

They have nothing!

You haven't a clue on how politics works!
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