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Old 28th June 2017, 02:30 AM   #601
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Originally Posted by Eddie Dane View Post
If this guy was legit, he goofed up. Or was tricked into thinking he would get support (like Erdogan did with the recent Turkish "coup").

Let's hope they don't torture him to death.
Here's the regime POV on the matter.

https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/13207

One perpetrator with a stolen police helicopter, dropping hand grenades on the supreme court, shooting at a ministry, producing zero deaths or injuries, implicating he was acting on calls of the opposition.

A video with masked armed men saying they're a "coalition" who desires to overthrow the regime, the guy in still looks like bad CGI, the quality of the video is inconsistent with his previous posts. He posts awful lot of spec-ops style videos and shots for a forensics specialist. It says he's a K9 specialist, not a forensic. The videos were posted 11 hours ago, in the evening, while the report on them on that link was posted six hours ago, in the middle of the night. There was no follow-up to the attack, which included two assailants, even though there are four masked men in addition to the leader in the video and even though they claimed they were a "coalition".



I'm going with a blatant false flag on this one.

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Old 28th June 2017, 02:58 AM   #602
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Originally Posted by McHrozni View Post
Here's the regime POV on the matter.

https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/13207

One perpetrator with a stolen police helicopter, dropping hand grenades on the supreme court, shooting at a ministry, producing zero deaths and injuries, implicating he was acting on calls of the opposition.

A video with masked armed men saying they're a "coalition" who desires to overthrow the regime, the guy in still looks like bad CGI, the quality of the video is inconsistent with his previous posts. He posts awful lot of spec-ops style videos and shots for a forensics specialist. It says he's a K9 specialist, not a forensic. The videos were posted 11 hours ago, in the evening, while the report on them on that link was posted six hours ago, in the middle of the night. There was no follow-up to the attack, which included two assailants, even though there are four masked men in addition to the leader in the video.



I'm going with a blatant false flag on this one.

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And a comically cloddish one at that.
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Old 28th June 2017, 03:49 AM   #603
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Originally Posted by trustbutverify View Post
And a comically cloddish one at that.
Let's hope those grenades went off before rolling off the building.

At least that way he can claim to have taken out a couple of roof tiles in the revolution.
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Old 28th June 2017, 03:56 AM   #604
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Originally Posted by Eddie Dane View Post
Let's hope those grenades went off before rolling off the building.

At least that way he can claim to have taken out a couple of roof tiles in the revolution.
Is that a reference to something?

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Old 28th June 2017, 04:05 AM   #605
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Originally Posted by McHrozni View Post
Is that a reference to something?

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No, just how I imagine the stupid sitiuation when someone tries to start a revolution by throwing some grenades on top of a building.

Even Mishima did a better job. Taking over a building with hostages and then giving a speech on the balcony.
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All that was missing was a proclamation of CIA support on the video.
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Old 28th June 2017, 08:10 AM   #607
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All that was missing was a proclamation of CIA support on the video.
If it's reported in the Washington Post, which CE claims to be owned by the CIA, that would cover it.

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Old 29th June 2017, 12:51 AM   #608
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Originally Posted by Eddie Dane View Post
No, just how I imagine the stupid sitiuation when someone tries to start a revolution by throwing some grenades on top of a building.
I wouldn't be so sure. French revolution was triggered in no small part over a trial against someone who tried to defraud the king (the diamond necklace affair), neither the king nor the queen did anything wrong, they just refused to purchase an outlandishly expensive necklace and then the king went out of his way to have the fraudster convicted by a court even though it was within his power to have the man executed instead. Yet the mere mention of the price of the necklace had such a profound effect on the national psyche this overwhelmed the fact the king in a way that actually following through procedure badly damaged the kings' reputation.

If there is enough pent-up resentment and rage even silly acts like this one have a fairly solid chance of making the country burst into flames. It wouldn't be all that surprising if the incident ended with a mob of hundreds of thousands storming the Supreme court any lynched everyone inside. That didn't happen, for better or worse, but that doesn't mean incidents like these are quite as irrelevant as their ineffectiveness makes them seem.

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Old 29th June 2017, 02:58 AM   #609
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OK, this helicopter thing is downright bizzare.

Here is one of the five clips where the attacker reads his demands.

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Notice that out of four guys in the background one can't stand still and the other four can't move a muscle. Almost as if there were only two guys and three cardboard cut-outs. Well not almost. Exactly like that.

Random lunatic or a particularly pathetic false flag? We'll never know.

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Old 29th June 2017, 04:59 AM   #610
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OK, this helicopter thing is downright bizzare.

Here is one of the five clips where the attacker reads his demands.

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Notice that out of four guys in the background one can't stand still and the other four can't move a muscle. Almost as if there were only two guys and three cardboard cut-outs. Well not almost. Exactly like that.

Random lunatic or a particularly pathetic false flag? We'll never know.

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The other three figures do move a little bit, but I could only detect it by jumping back and forth between different points of the video. It doesn't look natural.

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The other three figures do move a little bit, but I could only detect it by jumping back and forth between different points of the video. It doesn't look natural.
The video is stitched together from five other videos. Their movement is consistent with movement of the camera and the two alive guys. Plus they don't move any of their limbs or heads, but rather appear to drift slightly closer together as a group. Either the camera was slightly further away, or cardboard cutouts moved back slightly in their holders.

Look at the arms of the guy in the far right (our right). His arms holding the assault rifle don't move at all. This is hard to do.

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An actual "false flag" attack?

Probably not, but we'll see.

Note that even if three of those men in the video are cardboard cutouts, it still doesn't mean it's a false flag. Just means that it's actually just 2 guys trying to look like there's more of them than there really is.
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It also means some serious weirdness.
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Old 2nd July 2017, 05:52 AM   #614
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
An actual "false flag" attack?

Probably not, but we'll see.

Note that even if three of those men in the video are cardboard cutouts, it still doesn't mean it's a false flag. Just means that it's actually just 2 guys trying to look like there's more of them than there really is.
Cardboard cut-outs lend credence to it being a pair of lone nutters and not a false-flag attack. The regime should be able to get four men to pose masked while the fall guy reads the text.

Plus there are no reports of the regime using this as a widespread pretext for repression. Setting up a false flag and not using the opening it gives you is a level of incompetence not believable even for this regime.

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Abby meets the "opposition" who curiously enough behave exactly like their Jihadi brothers in Syria and their Nazi brothers in Ukraine - "moderate", like you have to do when you do the Empire's bidding.

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It turns out the helicopter assailant was just an idiot after all. He wasn't captured yet, but a video surfaced of him claiming "the attack went according to plan". There is no evidence of government using him as a pretext to arrest opposition members yet, even though the pro-government militia stormed the parliament and beat the opposition deputies senseless.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/06/am...deo/index.html

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I suspect open Civil War in Venezuela is just around the corner.
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I suspect open Civil War in Venezuela is just around the corner.
How many factions, and what's the basic lay down/template of each?
(Revolutions and civil wars often have more than two sides ...)
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Next episode of Empire Files on Venezuela, about press and food:

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And the next one, about the upcoming constituent assembly election:

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Free 230 pages eBook, endorsed by Maduro himself (pdf, 5.4 Mb): The Visible Hand of the Market - Economic Warfare in Venezuela by Pasqualina Curcio Curcio
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Free 230 pages eBook, endorsed by Maduro himself (pdf, 5.4 Mb): The Visible Hand of the Market - Economic Warfare in Venezuela by Pasqualina Curcio Curcio
Does it explain why Maduro believes he's being attacked by international financiers but is waging war on Venezuelan citizens?

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Does it explain why Maduro believes he's being attacked by international financiers but is waging war on Venezuelan citizens?
Sort of.

"The big importers and producers of basic goods constitute an oligopoly that creates a jam of hoarders and middlemen gridlocking the access of consumers and users to goods subsidized by the state. A foreign invasion or an armed conflict becomes unnecessary An army of unpunished speculators gradually destroy the socialist project. It is the enemy vanguard that we need to attack and neutralize if we want to survive."

So the hoarders, middlemen, and speculators can all be Venezuelan. Nice excuse to crack down on the opposition. But I do wonder why, if there's so much hoarding as to be wrecking the economy, nobody seems to be able to find the actual hoards.
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Sort of.

"The big importers and producers of basic goods constitute an oligopoly that creates a jam of hoarders and middlemen gridlocking the access of consumers and users to goods subsidized by the state. A foreign invasion or an armed conflict becomes unnecessary An army of unpunished speculators gradually destroy the socialist project. It is the enemy vanguard that we need to attack and neutralize if we want to survive."

So the hoarders, middlemen, and speculators can all be Venezuelan. Nice excuse to crack down on the opposition. But I do wonder why, if there's so much hoarding as to be wrecking the economy, nobody seems to be able to find the actual hoards.
It is actually only one hoard and they don't have his street address...
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Ah, saboteurs. Do they give quotas on how many saboteurs should be found and shot per week?
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So the hoarders, middlemen, and speculators can all be Venezuelan. Nice excuse to crack down on the opposition. But I do wonder why, if there's so much hoarding as to be wrecking the economy, nobody seems to be able to find the actual hoards.
They occasional find hoards amounting to a few days' worth of production for a factory or few days' worth of sales in a store. Or at least they did until a couple of years ago, the wanton destruction of industry took its toll.

Not to mention hoarding perishable foodstuffs for over four years and counting isn't the most effecient business strategy to begin with.

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