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Old Today, 02:47 AM   #241
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Tuesday's Opening Arguments podcast will go over all the pardons. I don't imagine it will cover every pardon individually in detail, but host Andrew Torrez has read every single one in preperation.
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Old Today, 04:14 AM   #242
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Yes. They should have all been prosecuted.
No, many draft dodgers had conscientious and reasonable objections to fighting in Vietnam. It spawned the 'flower power' movement. I read one account of MY LAY IN MAI LAI by a typical GI 'patriot', 'Heck man, we were all six feet tall, the gooks were only four foot six - not a fair fight'.

So, IMV a pardon for the Vietnam draft dodgers was an ethical and sound one.
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Old Today, 05:40 AM   #243
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Are these pardons generic ‘this person is pardoned for his crimes’, or more specific ‘this person is pardoned for crime x, y, z)?

Knowing Trump it would be too funny if something crucial was forgotten in the pardon and the end result would still be prison.
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Originally Posted by Susheel View Post
Was surprised Ghislaine Maxwell wasn't on the list. Also, how was Joe Exotic so sure about his probable pardon? Were certain monetary considerations in play?
I imagine Trump calling him and saying ‘I’m sorry, Joe, I just ran out of time before the pile of pardons got down to X’.
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Old Today, 06:42 AM   #245
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
No, many draft dodgers had conscientious and reasonable objections to fighting in Vietnam. It spawned the 'flower power' movement. I read one account of MY LAY IN MAI LAI by a typical GI 'patriot', 'Heck man, we were all six feet tall, the gooks were only four foot six - not a fair fight'.

So, IMV a pardon for the Vietnam draft dodgers was an ethical and sound one.
What is the point of doing the right thing against an unjust law if you are just going to get out of the punishment?

The punishment is the point to the choice you made.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
What is the point of doing the right thing against an unjust law if you are just going to get out of the punishment?

The punishment is the point to the choice you made.
that’s quite the hot take
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Old Today, 06:59 AM   #247
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I think Trump’s pardoning was interrupted and knocked-off course by two events, one being told he couldn’t pardon himself and him losing the election and his betrayal by the criminals of the insurrection (by looking low class) and the fallout from that - apparently staff being warned about interacting with him.

Wouldn’t be surprised if the final pardons were all drawn up prior to those events so the paperwork had already been done.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
What is the point of doing the right thing against an unjust law if you are just going to get out of the punishment?
The point is to have done the right thing. And if the prospect of punishing someone for doing the right thing is enough to convince the state to rescind both the unjust law and the punishment it mandates, then the moral victory is undiminished.

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Old Today, 08:43 AM   #249
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
The point is to have done the right thing. And if the prospect of punishing someone for doing the right thing is enough to convince the state to rescind both the unjust law and the punishment it mandates, then the moral victory is undiminished.

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That seems like a massive diminishment.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
That seems like a massive diminishment.
No, it doesn't.
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Old Today, 09:00 AM   #251
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
No, it doesn't.
Agree to disagree
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Old Today, 09:17 AM   #252
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Originally Posted by dirtywick View Post
that’s quite the hot take
Read the recent Snowden thread and you'll see Bob's not alone in that sentiment.
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