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Old 11th December 2019, 10:43 AM   #1
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Traitor Trump's attacks on the FBI and IG prove that the American Experiment is over

If we really were the America that the world thought we were, and if we truly held Rule of Law as a primary value, the entire nation would have turned on Trump after he called the FBI "Spies" and implied the IG was disloyal.

That ANY so-called American still supports this filthy regime is a disgrace. The world should fear us and stop us while it still can.
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Old 11th December 2019, 12:04 PM   #2
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There is nothing wrong with criticizing the FBI for the actual mistakes they made.
Of course, if the FISA system itself is in need of overhaul, the fault would be with Congress rather than the Bureau.

But I agree that there is grave danger in accusing the FBI of political bias where there is none - in my opinion, this is a deliberate attempt to discredit past, ongoing and future investigations into the Trump Administration and the Trumps themselves: it is pure intimidation.
I hope that it will provoke the opposite reaction.
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Old 11th December 2019, 12:07 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
There is nothing wrong with criticizing the FBI for the actual mistakes they made.
Of course, if the FISA system itself is in need of overhaul, the fault would be with Congress rather than the Bureau.

But I agree that there is grave danger in accusing the FBI of political bias where there is none - in my opinion, this is a deliberate attempt to discredit past, ongoing and future investigations into the Trump Administration and the Trumps themselves: it is pure intimidation.
I hope that it will provoke the opposite reaction.
Hey as long as it causes Trump to orgasm on stage like a true president that is all that matters.

That is something we need more in a presidents apparently. Class that is.
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Old 11th December 2019, 12:08 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive View Post
If we really were the America that the world thought we were, and if we truly held Rule of Law as a primary value, the entire nation would have turned on Trump after he called the FBI "Spies" and implied the IG was disloyal.

That ANY so-called American still supports this filthy regime is a disgrace. The world should fear us and stop us while it still can.

If things are really as dire as you say, only logical thing to do is buy a rifle and begin planning for armed resistence. Otherwise, it's just ranting.
And, btw, I agree that Trump's conduct is outrageous.
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Old 11th December 2019, 12:10 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
There is nothing wrong with criticizing the FBI for the actual mistakes they made.
Is that all you think Barr and Trump have done?

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
But I agree that there is grave danger in accusing the FBI of political bias where there is none - in my opinion, this is a deliberate attempt to discredit past, ongoing and future investigations into the Trump Administration and the Trumps themselves: it is pure intimidation.
I hope that it will provoke the opposite reaction.
OK, I see, we are on the same page.


The OP needs to add traitor Barr and change "is over" to "is in trouble".
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Old 11th December 2019, 12:12 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
If things are really as dire as you say, only logical thing to do is buy a rifle and begin planning for armed resistence.
Stop with these silly outdated ideas of how to run a proper guerrilla campaign. Bombing federal buildings is where you need to put your focus on.
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Old 11th December 2019, 12:13 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Is that all you think Barr and Trump have done?

OK, I see, we are on the same page.


The OP needs to add traitor Barr and change "is over" to "is in trouble".
While Barr continues to say he still thinks there was spying, he has offered no evidence to support that belief. I've long suspected Barr is a Trump stooge and this cements that suspicion.
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Old 11th December 2019, 04:16 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
While Barr continues to say he still thinks there was spying, he has offered no evidence to support that belief. I've long suspected Barr is a Trump stooge and this cements that suspicion.
Uh, I wrote off Barr as a Trump stooge from the day he was nominated.Old,old,news.
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Old 11th December 2019, 05:10 PM   #9
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I hope that it will provoke the opposite reaction.
So far, it only seems to be egging on his base. You should read some of them on Twitter, etc...
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Old 11th December 2019, 05:42 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Uh, I wrote off Barr as a Trump stooge from the day he was nominated.Old,old,news.
I had hope. It died quickly. What can I, I believe in giving everyone a chance, I'm also a glutton for punishment.
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Old 11th December 2019, 05:55 PM   #11
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So far, it only seems to be egging on his base. You should read some of them on Twitter, etc...
Nah, I hear enough of their idiocy on the TV.
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Old 11th December 2019, 05:55 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive View Post
So far, it only seems to be egging on his base. You should read some of them on Twitter, etc...
Go... out... side.
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Old 11th December 2019, 05:56 PM   #13
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Uh, I wrote off Barr as a Trump stooge from the day he was nominated.Old,old,news.
What makes you think these are not genuine views of Barr?
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Old 11th December 2019, 07:21 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
If things are really as dire as you say, only logical thing to do is buy a rifle and begin planning for armed resistence. Otherwise, it's just ranting.
Ultimately, I fear that is what it will come down to. I only hope that the American left gets over its naive pacifism and comes to the same conclusion. I do see encouraging signs, like the jump in sales of weapons to gay people after the nightclub shooting in Florida.

After all, that IS how our nation was founded, and why we have a 2nd Amendment.
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Has anyone found a list of the 17 errors? I tried and all I found were reports of what some things were in tl;dr articles.

I just want a list.
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Ultimately, I fear that is what it will come down to. I only hope that the American left gets over its naive pacifism and comes to the same conclusion. I do see encouraging signs, like the jump in sales of weapons to gay people after the nightclub shooting in Florida.

After all, that IS how our nation was founded, and why we have a 2nd Amendment.
Gun sellers check to see if people are gay?
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Old 11th December 2019, 07:44 PM   #17
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Gun sellers check to see if people are gay?
http://homicidecenter.org/wp-content...b-Shooting.pdf

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...4ca_story.html

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...nap-story.html
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Ultimately, I fear that is what it will come down to. I only hope that the American left gets over its naive pacifism and comes to the same conclusion. I do see encouraging signs, like the jump in sales of weapons to gay people after the nightclub shooting in Florida.

After all, that IS how our nation was founded, and why we have a 2nd Amendment.
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I am absolutely shocked that law enforcement would lie in order to obtain a warrant. SHOCKED

It's pretty funny watching conservatives like Graham complain about the tactics of the feds and the inherent weakness of the FISA system when they've spent their political careers defending these exact sweeping police powers.
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Go... out... side.
Cause if it's one place you can't read twitter, it's outside?
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"Mindfullness" won't get treasonous usurpers out of DC.

"Meditation" won't deal with their hateful, fascist enablers among the populace.
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Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive View Post
"Mindfullness" won't get treasonous usurpers out of DC.

"Meditation" won't deal with their hateful, fascist enablers among the populace.
On the other hand, these things, plus regular exercise, will probably put you in a better state of mind to effectively change the things you can, and accept the things you can't.
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On the other hand, these things, plus regular exercise, will probably put you in a better state of mind to effectively change the things you can, and accept the things you can't.
That attitude is how fascists win. To wit: "It's too big...we can't do anything about it..."
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That attitude is how fascists win. To wit: "It's too big...we can't do anything about it..."
Fascists win because they get in your face and punch you if you complain, and because your society literally doesn't offer any alternatives worth fighting for. Neither of these things apply to America today.

Stop trying to fix Washington (by posting paranoid rants on an obscure Internet forum), and start fixing your own community. The real one, the brick and mortar community you live in, with the breathing, blood-pumping human beings who live in that same community with you. And build from there.
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Ultimately, I fear that is what it will come down to. I only hope that the American left gets over its naive pacifism and comes to the same conclusion. I do see encouraging signs, like the jump in sales of weapons to gay people after the nightclub shooting in Florida.

After all, that IS how our nation was founded, and why we have a 2nd Amendment.
Also why we have three day waiting terms, and cooling off periods.
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