2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker - Part II - Page 56

theprestige · 2nd November 2019, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

What does Trump have against dogs?

What do progressives have against English?

acbytesla · 2nd November 2019, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

What do progressives have against English?

C'mon Prestige. Trump uses that moronic description constantly. Out of curiosity, do you think it is right for the President to act like a dumb ass school yard bully? What purpose does his remark serve?

theprestige · 2nd November 2019, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

C'mon Prestige. Trump uses that moronic description constantly.

It's a figure of speech. Seriously, what's your problem with the English language as it is commonly used?

acbytesla · 2nd November 2019, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

It's a figure of speech. Seriously, what's your problem with the English language as it is commonly used?

My problem isn't with the English language. It's with a moronic bully. Do you think that kind of language is appropriate for a President? Do you think talking like a **** head is right for a President? How about for a human being?

theprestige · 2nd November 2019, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

My problem isn't with the English language. It's with a moronic bully. Do you think that kind of language is appropriate for a President? Do you think talking like a **** head is right for a President? How about for a human being?

Let's back up a moment. Do you agree that "like a dog" as a pejorative does not actually signal a personal dislike of dogs?

acbytesla · 2nd November 2019, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Let's back up a moment. Do you agree that "like a dog" as a pejorative does not actually signal a personal dislike of dogs?

That wasn't the point and you should be able to figure that out. Seems like he constantly compares people he dislikes to a dog. So maybe he doesn't like dogs. Have you ever heard of him owning a dog?

JoeMorgue · 2nd November 2019, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

It's a figure of speech. Seriously, what's your problem with the English language as it is commonly used?

I could explain it to you, but I would have to use an metaphor or analogy and that would set you off.

Craig4 · 2nd November 2019, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Let's back up a moment. Do you agree that "like a dog" as a pejorative does not actually signal a personal dislike of dogs?

So resolved, the stupid bitch doesn't like dogs. We can hang that on him without regard to what he actually meant. It's not like it will destroy his presidency but when you're taking down Caesar every cut helps.

shemp · 2nd November 2019, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

My problem isn't with the English language. It's with a moronic bully. Do you think that kind of language is appropriate for a President? Do you think talking like a **** head is right for a President? How about for a human being?

If he talked like a **** head it would be an improvement.

Skeptic Ginger · 2nd November 2019, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

What does Trump have against dogs?

It's a new shiny phrase (to him for the moment).

Belz... · 2nd November 2019, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

What do progressives have against English?

What does that have to do with the discussion, and why are you asking me, of all people?

Originally Posted by theprestige

Let's back up a moment. Do you agree that "like a dog" as a pejorative does not actually signal a personal dislike of dogs?

If you're using the a word as a pejorative it sure seems to indicate that you think the thing it describes is negative.

Segnosaur · 3rd November 2019, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

It's a new shiny phrase (to him for the moment).

I heard he invented it. Like "prime the pump".

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Ziggurat · 3rd November 2019, 03:22 PM

Perhaps the best thing about election years is Bad Lip Reading.

So it begins.

Giz · 3rd November 2019, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

That wasn't the point and you should be able to figure that out. Seems like he constantly compares people he dislikes to a dog. So maybe he doesn't like dogs. Have you ever heard of him owning a dog?

To be fair, a lot of his speeches sound better in the original Russian

acbytesla · 3rd November 2019, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Giz

To be fair, a lot of his speeches sound better in the original Russian

If so, he needs a better translator.

Skeptic Ginger · 3rd November 2019, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Perhaps the best thing about election years is Bad Lip Reading.

So it begins.

This one is funnier.

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Brainster · 3rd November 2019, 09:12 PM

Meanwhile, Kamala Harris has qualified for the stage in the December debate.

Sean Trende of RCP made an interesting point the other day. Kamala and Buttigieg are now jockeying for position as the moderate candidate in the event that Joe Biden completely falls apart. He is flirting with fourth place in Iowa and seems a likely third in New Hampshire. It's not impossible to imagine him imploding. And that's a lot of his voters up for grabs. Expect everyone who credibly can (including such seldom-mentioned but not terribly out of it candidates like Amy Klobuchar) to stick around.

Skeptic Ginger · 3rd November 2019, 10:24 PM

Buttigieg was badmouthing Warren's Medicare plan today. I was hoping not to see that. If you have a better plan, show it. You don't need to point out flaws in other candidate's campaigns.

Honestly, it's as ignorant as Donnie thinking he needed Zelenski to push a CT about Biden when all Donnie had to do was point out Hunter had a cush job in the Ukraine.

Arcade22 · 4th November 2019, 04:09 AM

Quote:

A high-profile book tour. Countless TV interviews. Political combat with a Democratic primary candidate and Donald Trump. A year before the US presidential election, it looks like a campaign and it sounds like a campaign but it isn’t a campaign. At least, not as far anyone knows.

Yet a recent surge of activity by Hillary Clinton, combined with reports and columns suggesting the Democrats have not found the right candidate, have made a 2016 rematch a fun, speculative and potentially intriguing topic of Washington conversation.

The sense that something strange is going on began a few weeks ago. A book is a traditional vehicle for a candidate. The former secretary of state launched The Book of Gutsy Women, co-written with daughter Chelsea, and embarked on a tour that included events, speeches and late-night TV appearances.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...hite-house-run

Hillary Clinton can't just accept she lost to Trump, the worst major Presidential Candidate (and President) in living memory. Besides, if people complain about there not being a new JFK, why do they look towards Hillary? She's about as uncharismatic and unlovable as they come.

The Great Zaganza · 4th November 2019, 04:30 AM

If Trump gets to rewrite history, why not HRC?
She has a lot more facts on her side of the story.

Mike! · 4th November 2019, 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

If Trump gets to rewrite history, why not HRC?
She has a lot more facts on her side of the story.

If you're rewriting history, why should facts matter at all?

angrysoba · 4th November 2019, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

If Trump gets to rewrite history, why not HRC?
She has a lot more facts on her side of the story.

Originally Posted by Mike!

If you're rewriting history, why should facts matter at all?

Let's not let the fact she lost get in the way of another run for president!

The Great Zaganza · 4th November 2019, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by Mike!

If you're rewriting history, why should facts matter at all?

they matter if you are a lazy storyteller.

Brainster · 4th November 2019, 05:26 PM

The New York Times has a poll out today with some rather shocking results.

In the six states that Trump won by the smallest margin in 2016 (Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida, Wisconsin, Arizona and North Carolina), Trump is very close to Joe Biden; Biden leads in five of the states, but all are within 2 percentage points.

Against Bernie, Trump leads in four of the states, losing only in Michigan and tied in Wisconsin. Again, the margins are not large but they are larger than they were for Biden, with Trump winning by 4 in AZ and NC, and Bernie taking his lone state by 3.

Against Warren? Trump leads in five states, and one is tied. He has a four point lead on Warren in NC, FL, and MI. Oddly, AZ is the tied state.

Venom · 4th November 2019, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

The New York Times has a [url="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/upshot/one-year-from-election-trump-trails-biden-but-leads-warren-in-battlegrounds.html"]
Against Warren? Trump leads in five states, and one is tied. He has a four point lead on Warren in NC, FL, and MI. Oddly, AZ is the tied state.

It's Mark Kelly.

He's the only one standing in the way of Trump!

A true patriot and hero in the fight against global warming.

theprestige · 4th November 2019, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

C'mon Prestige. Trump uses that moronic description constantly.

Constantly? I don't think I've heard it mentioned at all, prior to the last week or so. Do you think maybe he's just riffing on a recent theme?

acbytesla · 4th November 2019, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Constantly? I don't think I've heard it mentioned at all, prior to the last week or so. Do you think maybe he's just riffing on a recent theme?

You haven't been listening apparently.

Trump has referred to countless people as dogs including White House aide and Apprentice contestant Omarosa, TV host David Gregory, Trump critic Erick Erickson, Trump supporter and confidant Steve Bannon, Ted Cruz's director, Glenn Beck, Chuck Todd, George Will, Bill Maher, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Mitt Romney, Kristen Stewart, Laura Goldman, David Axelrod, Brent Bozell, Mac Miller. And that is the tip of the iceberg.

Skeptic Ginger · 4th November 2019, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Arcade22

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...hite-house-run

Hillary Clinton can't just accept she lost to Trump, the worst major Presidential Candidate (and President) in living memory. Besides, if people complain about there not being a new JFK, why do they look towards Hillary? She's about as uncharismatic and unlovable as they come.

I lose track. Is this your opinion or are you paraphrasing someone else's?

Hillary is not suggesting she'd run again and that (your) description has been refuted ad nauseum. Talk about not being able to accept the facts.

Arcade22 · 4th November 2019, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Let's not let the fact she lost get in the way of another run for president!

She lost against someone who's campaign was a scandal factory, producing something unacceptable every day (he has yet to stop). Someone who was busy scoring own-goal after own-goal. Someone who was just begging for her (or anyone, honestly) to tell him to shut the **** up and stop lying.

She couldn't put him in his place, even when they shared a stage where he misbehaved. She could have told him to sit down and stop standing over her shoulder like a creep. Ultimately she lacked the ability to assert herself in the face of someone who broke all conventions and notions of decency.

If Trump is breaking the rules and getting away with it, because the journalists and debate moderators want appear "impartial", then his opponent has to do it and do it hard.

acbytesla · 4th November 2019, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by Arcade22

She lost against someone who's campaign was a scandal factory, producing something unacceptable every day (he has yet to stop). Someone who was busy scoring own-goal after own-goal. Someone who was just begging for her (or anyone, honestly) to tell him to shut the **** up and stop lying.

She couldn't put him in his place, even when they shared a stage where he misbehaved. She could have told him to sit down and stop standing over her shoulder like a creep. Ultimately she lacked the ability to assert herself in the face of someone who broke all conventions and notions of decency.

If Trump is breaking the rules and getting away with it, because the journalists and debate moderators want appear "impartial", then his opponent has to do it and do it hard.

If you look at the polling today almost every single Democrat could lose the exact same states and also win the popular vote.

My issue is your argument makes a lot of assumptions that other Democrats wouldn't have had similar problems beating Trump.

Mumbles · 4th November 2019, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Arcade22

She lost against someone who's campaign was a scandal factory, producing something unacceptable every day (he has yet to stop). Someone who was busy scoring own-goal after own-goal. Someone who was just begging for her (or anyone, honestly) to tell him to shut the **** up and stop lying.

She couldn't put him in his place, even when they shared a stage where he misbehaved. She could have told him to sit down and stop standing over her shoulder like a creep. Ultimately she lacked the ability to assert herself in the face of someone who broke all conventions and notions of decency.

If Trump is breaking the rules and getting away with it, because the journalists and debate moderators want appear "impartial", then his opponent has to do it and do it hard.

The obvious problem here is that this is exactly what she did, many times, both in campaign speeches, and in debates. And sometimes, reporters brought this up as well. Which is why Dolt 45 voters either were not paying attention to this, convinced that "both sides are the same" (aka: "But her emails!" - or the related "He's not a liar like the politicians!"), or really liked his open bigotry.

And her attempts are likely why, according to polls, Hillary won every debate easily, and had a post-convention bounce that Dolt 45 did not get.

Minoosh · 4th November 2019, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

What do progressives have against English?

He quit like a dog? That is certainly not a common saying, and actually, dogs are known for their doggedness. "Died like a dog" is kind of weird too. How do dogs die? I suppose he could have meant cringing back. Probably not put to sleep with a shot of sodium pentothal.

I think he used it against Rosie McDonnell and once he said someone was sweating "like a dog." Dogs of course don't sweat. Every time he uses the word dog, it's a perjorative. But not only that. To the extent that these phrases are common sayings, they are clichés that have been stale for decades. IMO, that suggests lazy thinking.

you might enjoy a George Orwell essay called "Politics and the English Language." I haven't learned how to link on this tablet, but it can be found by Googling the title.

Minoosh · 4th November 2019, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by Venom

It's Mark Kelly.

He's the only one standing in the way of Trump!

A true patriot and hero in the fight against global warming.

I'm trying but I can't think of any way Mark Kelly is relevant.

Brainster · 5th November 2019, 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by Minoosh

I'm trying but I can't think of any way Mark Kelly is relevant.

This. Kelly has an awesome resume. But his candidacy is really single-issue (gun control), and he's up against another awesome resume in McSalley. I don't see how he overcomes the gun control label in AZ.

Brainster · 5th November 2019, 02:21 AM

Nobody wants to talk about the NY Times poll that shows Trump's path to victory even in today's hostile environment?

(beat)

Ok, I get it.

Belz... · 5th November 2019, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by Arcade22

She lost against someone who's campaign was a scandal factory, producing something unacceptable every day (he has yet to stop). Someone who was busy scoring own-goal after own-goal.

I don't know. I think his base actually enjoyed that and was energised by it. Doesn't sound like an own goal to me.

Mumbles · 5th November 2019, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by Minoosh

He quit like a dog? That is certainly not a common saying, and actually, dogs are known for their doggedness. "Died like a dog" is kind of weird too. How do dogs die? I suppose he could have meant cringing back. Probably not put to sleep with a shot of sodium pentothal.

If anything, "work like a dog" is an expression for working tirelessly for little reward.

kellyb · 5th November 2019, 05:58 AM

A billionaire cries over Liz Warren.

TragicMonkey · 5th November 2019, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by kellyb

A billionaire cries over Liz Warren.

Can we bottle his tears? I think they'd taste delicious!

theprestige · 5th November 2019, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

You haven't been listening apparently.

Trump has referred to countless people as dogs including White House aide and Apprentice contestant Omarosa, TV host David Gregory, Trump critic Erick Erickson, Trump supporter and confidant Steve Bannon, Ted Cruz's director, Glenn Beck, Chuck Todd, George Will, Bill Maher, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Mitt Romney, Kristen Stewart, Laura Goldman, David Axelrod, Brent Bozell, Mac Miller. And that is the tip of the iceberg.

Oh, okay. Thanks for keeping track of this.

2nd November 2019, 09:05 AM	#2202
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 25,889	Originally Posted by theprestige What do progressives have against English? C'mon Prestige. Trump uses that moronic description constantly. Out of curiosity, do you think it is right for the President to act like a dumb ass school yard bully? What purpose does his remark serve?
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2nd November 2019, 10:03 AM	#2204
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 25,889	Originally Posted by theprestige It's a figure of speech. Seriously, what's your problem with the English language as it is commonly used? My problem isn't with the English language. It's with a moronic bully. Do you think that kind of language is appropriate for a President? Do you think talking like a **** head is right for a President? How about for a human being?
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2nd November 2019, 10:27 AM	#2206
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 25,889	Originally Posted by theprestige Let's back up a moment. Do you agree that "like a dog" as a pejorative does not actually signal a personal dislike of dogs? That wasn't the point and you should be able to figure that out. Seems like he constantly compares people he dislikes to a dog. So maybe he doesn't like dogs. Have you ever heard of him owning a dog?
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2nd November 2019, 10:29 AM	#2207
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 27,157	Originally Posted by theprestige It's a figure of speech. Seriously, what's your problem with the English language as it is commonly used? I could explain it to you, but I would have to use an metaphor or analogy and that would set you off.
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2nd November 2019, 10:45 AM	#2208
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Alexandria, VA Home to the Deep State. Posts: 21,102	Originally Posted by theprestige Let's back up a moment. Do you agree that "like a dog" as a pejorative does not actually signal a personal dislike of dogs? So resolved, the stupid bitch doesn't like dogs. We can hang that on him without regard to what he actually meant. It's not like it will destroy his presidency but when you're taking down Caesar every cut helps.
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2nd November 2019, 09:00 AM	#2201
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 46,645	Originally Posted by Belz... What does Trump have against dogs? What do progressives have against English?

2nd November 2019, 09:12 AM	#2203
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 46,645	Originally Posted by acbytesla C'mon Prestige. Trump uses that moronic description constantly. It's a figure of speech. Seriously, what's your problem with the English language as it is commonly used?

2nd November 2019, 10:15 AM	#2205
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 46,645	Originally Posted by acbytesla My problem isn't with the English language. It's with a moronic bully. Do you think that kind of language is appropriate for a President? Do you think talking like a **** head is right for a President? How about for a human being? Let's back up a moment. Do you agree that "like a dog" as a pejorative does not actually signal a personal dislike of dogs?

2nd November 2019, 10:48 AM	#2209
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: People's Democratic Republic of Planet X Posts: 37,470	Originally Posted by acbytesla My problem isn't with the English language. It's with a moronic bully. Do you think that kind of language is appropriate for a President? Do you think talking like a ** head is right for a President? How about for a human being? If he talked like a ** head it would be an improvement.
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2nd November 2019, 11:01 AM	#2210
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 83,020	Originally Posted by Belz... What does Trump have against dogs? It's a new shiny phrase (to him for the moment).
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2nd November 2019, 02:06 PM	#2211
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 91,292	Originally Posted by theprestige What do progressives have against English? What does that have to do with the discussion, and why are you asking me, of all people? Originally Posted by theprestige Let's back up a moment. Do you agree that "like a dog" as a pejorative does not actually signal a personal dislike of dogs? If you're using the a word as a pejorative it sure seems to indicate that you think the thing it describes is negative.
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3rd November 2019, 09:35 AM	#2212
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 16,036	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger It's a new shiny phrase (to him for the moment). I heard he invented it. Like "prime the pump". Sent from my LM-X320 using Tapatalk
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3rd November 2019, 03:22 PM	#2213
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 46,999	Perhaps the best thing about election years is Bad Lip Reading. So it begins.
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3rd November 2019, 03:32 PM	#2214
Giz Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 8,706	Originally Posted by acbytesla That wasn't the point and you should be able to figure that out. Seems like he constantly compares people he dislikes to a dog. So maybe he doesn't like dogs. Have you ever heard of him owning a dog? To be fair, a lot of his speeches sound better in the original Russian
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3rd November 2019, 04:51 PM	#2215
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 25,889	Originally Posted by Giz To be fair, a lot of his speeches sound better in the original Russian If so, he needs a better translator.
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3rd November 2019, 09:12 PM	#2217
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 17,937	Meanwhile, Kamala Harris has qualified for the stage in the December debate. Sean Trende of RCP made an interesting point the other day. Kamala and Buttigieg are now jockeying for position as the moderate candidate in the event that Joe Biden completely falls apart. He is flirting with fourth place in Iowa and seems a likely third in New Hampshire. It's not impossible to imagine him imploding. And that's a lot of his voters up for grabs. Expect everyone who credibly can (including such seldom-mentioned but not terribly out of it candidates like Amy Klobuchar) to stick around.
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3rd November 2019, 10:24 PM	#2218
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 83,020	Buttigieg was badmouthing Warren's Medicare plan today. I was hoping not to see that. If you have a better plan, show it. You don't need to point out flaws in other candidate's campaigns. Honestly, it's as ignorant as Donnie thinking he needed Zelenski to push a CT about Biden when all Donnie had to do was point out Hunter had a cush job in the Ukraine.
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4th November 2019, 04:09 AM	#2219
Arcade22 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 6,672	Quote: A high-profile book tour. Countless TV interviews. Political combat with a Democratic primary candidate and Donald Trump. A year before the US presidential election, it looks like a campaign and it sounds like a campaign but it isn’t a campaign. At least, not as far anyone knows. Yet a recent surge of activity by Hillary Clinton, combined with reports and columns suggesting the Democrats have not found the right candidate, have made a 2016 rematch a fun, speculative and potentially intriguing topic of Washington conversation. The sense that something strange is going on began a few weeks ago. A book is a traditional vehicle for a candidate. The former secretary of state launched The Book of Gutsy Women, co-written with daughter Chelsea, and embarked on a tour that included events, speeches and late-night TV appearances. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...hite-house-run Hillary Clinton can't just accept she lost to Trump, the worst major Presidential Candidate (and President) in living memory. Besides, if people complain about there not being a new JFK, why do they look towards Hillary? She's about as uncharismatic and unlovable as they come.
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4th November 2019, 04:30 AM	#2220
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 12,630	If Trump gets to rewrite history, why not HRC? She has a lot more facts on her side of the story.
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4th November 2019, 05:47 AM	#2221
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 37,087	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza If Trump gets to rewrite history, why not HRC? She has a lot more facts on her side of the story. If you're rewriting history, why should facts matter at all?
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4th November 2019, 06:18 AM	#2222
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 27,864	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza If Trump gets to rewrite history, why not HRC? She has a lot more facts on her side of the story. Originally Posted by Mike! If you're rewriting history, why should facts matter at all? Let's not let the fact she lost get in the way of another run for president!
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4th November 2019, 06:41 AM	#2223
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 12,630	Originally Posted by Mike! If you're rewriting history, why should facts matter at all? they matter if you are a lazy storyteller.
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4th November 2019, 05:26 PM	#2224
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 17,937	The New York Times has a poll out today with some rather shocking results. In the six states that Trump won by the smallest margin in 2016 (Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida, Wisconsin, Arizona and North Carolina), Trump is very close to Joe Biden; Biden leads in five of the states, but all are within 2 percentage points. Against Bernie, Trump leads in four of the states, losing only in Michigan and tied in Wisconsin. Again, the margins are not large but they are larger than they were for Biden, with Trump winning by 4 in AZ and NC, and Bernie taking his lone state by 3. Against Warren? Trump leads in five states, and one is tied. He has a four point lead on Warren in NC, FL, and MI. Oddly, AZ is the tied state.
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4th November 2019, 06:13 PM	#2225
Venom Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 4,518	Originally Posted by Brainster The New York Times has a [url="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/upshot/one-year-from-election-trump-trails-biden-but-leads-warren-in-battlegrounds.html"] Against Warren? Trump leads in five states, and one is tied. He has a four point lead on Warren in NC, FL, and MI. Oddly, AZ is the tied state. It's Mark Kelly. He's the only one standing in the way of Trump! A true patriot and hero in the fight against global warming.

4th November 2019, 06:16 PM	#2226
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 46,645	Originally Posted by acbytesla C'mon Prestige. Trump uses that moronic description constantly. Constantly? I don't think I've heard it mentioned at all, prior to the last week or so. Do you think maybe he's just riffing on a recent theme?

4th November 2019, 06:35 PM	#2227
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 25,889	Originally Posted by theprestige Constantly? I don't think I've heard it mentioned at all, prior to the last week or so. Do you think maybe he's just riffing on a recent theme? You haven't been listening apparently. Trump has referred to countless people as dogs including White House aide and Apprentice contestant Omarosa, TV host David Gregory, Trump critic Erick Erickson, Trump supporter and confidant Steve Bannon, Ted Cruz's director, Glenn Beck, Chuck Todd, George Will, Bill Maher, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Mitt Romney, Kristen Stewart, Laura Goldman, David Axelrod, Brent Bozell, Mac Miller. And that is the tip of the iceberg.
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4th November 2019, 06:49 PM	#2228
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 83,020	Originally Posted by Arcade22 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...hite-house-run Hillary Clinton can't just accept she lost to Trump, the worst major Presidential Candidate (and President) in living memory. Besides, if people complain about there not being a new JFK, why do they look towards Hillary? She's about as uncharismatic and unlovable as they come. I lose track. Is this your opinion or are you paraphrasing someone else's? Hillary is not suggesting she'd run again and that (your) description has been refuted ad nauseum. Talk about not being able to accept the facts.
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4th November 2019, 08:29 PM	#2229
Arcade22 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 6,672	Originally Posted by angrysoba Let's not let the fact she lost get in the way of another run for president! She lost against someone who's campaign was a scandal factory, producing something unacceptable every day (he has yet to stop). Someone who was busy scoring own-goal after own-goal. Someone who was just begging for her (or anyone, honestly) to tell him to shut the **** up and stop lying. She couldn't put him in his place, even when they shared a stage where he misbehaved. She could have told him to sit down and stop standing over her shoulder like a creep. Ultimately she lacked the ability to assert herself in the face of someone who broke all conventions and notions of decency. If Trump is breaking the rules and getting away with it, because the journalists and debate moderators want appear "impartial", then his opponent has to do it and do it hard.
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4th November 2019, 09:14 PM	#2230
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 25,889	Originally Posted by Arcade22 She lost against someone who's campaign was a scandal factory, producing something unacceptable every day (he has yet to stop). Someone who was busy scoring own-goal after own-goal. Someone who was just begging for her (or anyone, honestly) to tell him to shut the **** up and stop lying. She couldn't put him in his place, even when they shared a stage where he misbehaved. She could have told him to sit down and stop standing over her shoulder like a creep. Ultimately she lacked the ability to assert herself in the face of someone who broke all conventions and notions of decency. If Trump is breaking the rules and getting away with it, because the journalists and debate moderators want appear "impartial", then his opponent has to do it and do it hard. If you look at the polling today almost every single Democrat could lose the exact same states and also win the popular vote. My issue is your argument makes a lot of assumptions that other Democrats wouldn't have had similar problems beating Trump.
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4th November 2019, 09:25 PM	#2231
Mumbles Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,000	Originally Posted by Arcade22 She lost against someone who's campaign was a scandal factory, producing something unacceptable every day (he has yet to stop). Someone who was busy scoring own-goal after own-goal. Someone who was just begging for her (or anyone, honestly) to tell him to shut the **** up and stop lying. She couldn't put him in his place, even when they shared a stage where he misbehaved. She could have told him to sit down and stop standing over her shoulder like a creep. Ultimately she lacked the ability to assert herself in the face of someone who broke all conventions and notions of decency. If Trump is breaking the rules and getting away with it, because the journalists and debate moderators want appear "impartial", then his opponent has to do it and do it hard. The obvious problem here is that this is exactly what she did, many times, both in campaign speeches, and in debates. And sometimes, reporters brought this up as well. Which is why Dolt 45 voters either were not paying attention to this, convinced that "both sides are the same" (aka: "But her emails!" - or the related "He's not a liar like the politicians!"), or really liked his open bigotry. And her attempts are likely why, according to polls, Hillary won every debate easily, and had a post-convention bounce that Dolt 45 did not get.
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4th November 2019, 10:35 PM	#2232
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 11,404	Originally Posted by theprestige What do progressives have against English? He quit like a dog? That is certainly not a common saying, and actually, dogs are known for their doggedness. "Died like a dog" is kind of weird too. How do dogs die? I suppose he could have meant cringing back. Probably not put to sleep with a shot of sodium pentothal. I think he used it against Rosie McDonnell and once he said someone was sweating "like a dog." Dogs of course don't sweat. Every time he uses the word dog, it's a perjorative. But not only that. To the extent that these phrases are common sayings, they are clichés that have been stale for decades. IMO, that suggests lazy thinking. you might enjoy a George Orwell essay called "Politics and the English Language." I haven't learned how to link on this tablet, but it can be found by Googling the title.

4th November 2019, 10:48 PM	#2233
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 11,404	Originally Posted by Venom It's Mark Kelly. He's the only one standing in the way of Trump! A true patriot and hero in the fight against global warming. I'm trying but I can't think of any way Mark Kelly is relevant.

5th November 2019, 02:18 AM	#2234
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 17,937	Originally Posted by Minoosh I'm trying but I can't think of any way Mark Kelly is relevant. This. Kelly has an awesome resume. But his candidacy is really single-issue (gun control), and he's up against another awesome resume in McSalley. I don't see how he overcomes the gun control label in AZ.
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5th November 2019, 02:21 AM	#2235
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 17,937	Nobody wants to talk about the NY Times poll that shows Trump's path to victory even in today's hostile environment? (beat) Ok, I get it.
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5th November 2019, 03:31 AM	#2236
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 91,292	Originally Posted by Arcade22 She lost against someone who's campaign was a scandal factory, producing something unacceptable every day (he has yet to stop). Someone who was busy scoring own-goal after own-goal. I don't know. I think his base actually enjoyed that and was energised by it. Doesn't sound like an own goal to me.
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