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Old 1st October 2019, 02:03 PM   #521
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
How does he suck so much at speaking?
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Old 1st October 2019, 02:05 PM   #522
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Speaking engagements. Book deals.

There's also reputation, legacy, and professional networks to think about, at this stage in her career. All of these interests can and should still be advanced, to whatever degree they are interests for her.
You really are pushing the button hard. Pelosi is already wealthy. Maybe, just maybe she doesnt have that you can never have enough money mindset that seems to pervade the Republican party.
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Old 1st October 2019, 02:22 PM   #523
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
You really are pushing the button hard. Pelosi is already wealthy. Maybe, just maybe she doesnt have that you can never have enough money mindset that seems to pervade the Republican party.
I assume she's further up Maslow's hierarchy of needs than mere concern for funds. You may have noticed my mention of higher-level rewards like reputation and legacy.

That said, it seems to me that for a lot of the really wealthy, money becomes a way of keeping score for their achievements. So at the lower levels of Maslow's pyramid, money is about meeting those low-level needs of food, shelter, etc. But at the higher levels, money is still relevant as a measure of personal success and satisfaction.

I don't know what exactly is Pelosi's relationship with her money, but unlike you I'm not prepared to rule it out as a motivator. In any case, I think it's clear that Pelosi still has a career, and still has a future that will be affected by how she handles the impeachment process, and I still think it's highly likely that she's charting a course with her future firmly in mind.
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Old 1st October 2019, 02:26 PM   #524
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
You really are pushing the button hard.
Let me say this about that: After my initial post on the subject, the only times I've returned to it have been when other people have brought it up. If you think the button doesn't need any more pushing, I think you know what you need to do.
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Old 1st October 2019, 02:39 PM   #525
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I assume she's further up Maslow's hierarchy of needs than mere concern for funds. You may have noticed my mention of higher-level rewards like reputation and legacy.

That said, it seems to me that for a lot of the really wealthy, money becomes a way of keeping score for their achievements. So at the lower levels of Maslow's pyramid, money is about meeting those low-level needs of food, shelter, etc. But at the higher levels, money is still relevant as a measure of personal success and satisfaction.

I don't know what exactly is Pelosi's relationship with her money, but unlike you I'm not prepared to rule it out as a motivator. In any case, I think it's clear that Pelosi still has a career, and still has a future that will be affected by how she handles the impeachment process, and I still think it's highly likely that she's charting a course with her future firmly in mind.
I do think her reputation is important to her. Character, integrity and public service do count to some people.
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Old 1st October 2019, 02:45 PM   #526
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I do think her reputation is important to her. Character, integrity and public service do count to some people.
I think that once we get past the quibbling about what "career advancement" really means, we actually agree more than one might expect.
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How does he suck so much at speaking?

That's the amazing thing. For his rusted on supporters, he is the epitome of eloquence and straight talking.
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Old 1st October 2019, 03:14 PM   #528
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I think that once we get past the quibbling about what "career advancement" really means, we actually agree more than one might expect.
Calling it "career advancement" I believe does not fairly characterize her actions. Does she have motivation to do her job as best she can? I would think so. Your choice of words suggest that she puts her own wants above what she believes the right thing to do.
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That's the amazing thing. For his rusted on supporters, he is the epitome of eloquence and straight talking.
Straight talking? Maybe. The conventional wisdom seems to be that there's a demographic of Trump voters who appreciate his idiom. But I think that the lack of eloquence is part of the appeal, there. Most people aren't polished public speakers. Most people tend to fumble a bit, or rework what they're saying as they go, or flail about from time to time looking for the right words.

Talking like a regular guy, instead of a practiced politician or academic, may in fact be one of his major sources of electoral appeal.
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Old 1st October 2019, 03:17 PM   #530
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Not everyone is good at public speaking. It's a skill.


Also having a stupid brain infected with insanity and racked with nutritional deficit while shrinking in old age and increasing senility can't exactly help.
You should be ashamed of yourself. Not mentioning the deleterious effects of consorting with elder gods...
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Old 1st October 2019, 03:18 PM   #531
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Straight talking? Maybe. The conventional wisdom seems to be that there's a demographic of Trump voters who appreciate his idiom. But I think that the lack of eloquence is part of the appeal, there. Most people aren't polished public speakers. Most people tend to fumble a bit, or rework what they're saying as they go, or flail about from time to time looking for the right words.

Talking like a regular guy, instead of a practiced politician or academic, may in fact be one of his major sources of electoral appeal.
That's probably true. Many people are poorly educated and are intimidated by people that are. They're more comfortable with a moron leading the country.
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Calling it "career advancement" I believe does not fairly characterize her actions. Does she have motivation to do her job as best she can? I would think so. Your choice of words suggest that she puts her own wants above what she believes the right thing to do.
Given everything we know about career politicians, and career humans in general, I think that's a reasonable suggestion. I understand that if you believe the Democrat establishment is all public service, doing the right thing without regard for personal benefit, this suggestion might rankle. For my part, I'm content to stop pushing the button whenever you are. Maybe we should just tag this one "unproven" and move on?
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That's probably true. Many people are poorly educated and are intimidated by people that are. They're more comfortable with a moron leading the country.
That's a pretty hateful thing to say about millions of real people, with real lives and concerns. I think you should reconsider selling your fellow citizens so short.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
That's a pretty hateful thing to say about millions of real people, with real lives and concerns. I think you should reconsider selling your fellow citizens so short.
I'm not saying anything you basically didn't say in your post. You suggested that a moron who can barely put two sentences together appeals to the masses. Didn't you? Or did I misunderstand your post?
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Old 1st October 2019, 04:21 PM   #535
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I'm not saying anything you basically didn't say in your post. You suggested that a moron who can barely put two sentences together appeals to the masses. Didn't you? Or did I misunderstand your post?
Hard pass. We were having a conversation there, for a moment. Now it's turned into yet another episode of Two Minutes Hate. Being your foil for this kind of thing doesn't work for me at all. If that's how you want to see me, I'm out.
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Hard pass. We were having a conversation there, for a moment. Now it's turned into yet another episode of Two Minutes Hate. Being your foil for this kind of thing doesn't work for me at all. If that's how you want to see me, I'm out.
You just said that I made a hateful comment about the masses.

You said that they appreciated Trump's nonsensical way of speaking. That this was his appeal. I think you were absolutely right. A lot of people are intimidated by smart people. There's a reason no one likes the smartest person in the room and are more comfortable around the class clown making fart noises.

And if you don't think Trump is a moron, I challenge you to read his speeches. It's a morass of bad grammar and ridiculous statements. It's downright embarrassing.

Every single one of your posts whether I agree or disagree with them demonstrates far more intellectual power than 65 percent of Trump's tweets. I have to assume that someone else writes the ones that make sense.
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That's a pretty hateful thing to say about millions of real people, with real lives and concerns. I think you should reconsider selling your fellow citizens so short.
Oh, you mean the people that like to parade in shirts that say "******* Your Feelings", "Trump that Bitch" and "Better Russian than Democrat". Those people? Yeah, I think we've given them every opportunity they've ever deserved to be taken seriously. Enough. Holla at me when they decide to give the rest of us some respect for a change.
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I wonder if we could get back to topic: House Impeachment Inquiry.
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That's a pretty hateful thing to say about millions of real people, with real lives and concerns. I think you should reconsider selling your fellow citizens so short.
There's nothing wrong with hating people who deserve hatred. It's good for the country, Trump supporters being a lesser, hated other.
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There's nothing wrong with hating people who deserve hatred. It's good for the country, Trump supporters being a lesser, hated other.
I don't hate them. Not even close. I'm disappointed that they take the lazy way. Critical thinking means you challenge everything including your self. They just refuse to do it because they are afraid of change.

Its like this Waco Kid quote.

What did you expect? "Welcome, sonny"? "Make yourself at home"? "Marry my daughter"? You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West.

You know......... morons.
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Old 1st October 2019, 07:39 PM   #541
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That's a pretty hateful thing to say about millions of real people, with real lives and concerns. I think you should reconsider selling your fellow citizens so short.
Care to show which part is hateful and why?
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Old 1st October 2019, 07:44 PM   #542
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Here are just some of Trump's staff, appointees and associates who have said or suggested Trump is stupd.


Sam Nunberg describes his ignorance. Nunberg, was sent to “explain the Constitution” to Trump when he was a candidate. “I got as far as the Fourth Amendment,” Nunberg recalled, “before his finger is pulling down on his lip and his eyes are rolling back in his head.”

Steve Bannon " like an 11 year old child"
White House deputy chief of staff Katie Walsh "Working with Trump is “like trying to figure out what a child wants”—

Rupert Murdoch "a ******* idiot"
Roger Ailes. 'a moron"
Rex Tillerson Secretary of State "a ******* moron"
Gary Cohen Economic advisor "dumb as ****"
H R McMaster National security advisor "a dope"
John Kelly Chief of staff "an idiot"
Steve Mnuchin Secretary of Treasury "an idiot"
Reince Preibus Chief of staff "an idiot"
Sam Nunberg "he's an idiot"

There are lots more. But as I said before. Read his speeches. They really are stupid. And yet people voted for this moron.

You should also note that Trump has threatened legal action against every school he's attended. If Trump is really "a stable genius" why is he frightened of evidence?
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Sen. Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump is a jackass
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Michele Bachmann: In My Lifetime, I Have Never Seen A More Biblical President
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Michele Bachmann: In My Lifetime, I Have Never Seen A More Biblical President
...he does remind me of the Pit Locusts ..
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“I want you all to stonewall it, let them plead the Fifth Amendment, cover up, or anything else.”

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WASHINGTON, Oct. 21 —Over the heated objections of defense counsel, the jury in the Watergate case heard today the tape recording in which Richard M. Nixon said he wanted his aides to “stonewall it ... plead the Fifth Amendment, cover up or anything else, if it'll save it—save the plan.”...

“I want you all to stonewall it, let them plead the Fifth Amendment, cover up or anything else, if it'll save it—save the plan,” Mr. Nixon said, according to the transcript of the conversation prepared by the prosecution. “That's the whole point.”

Mr. Nixon immediately adds that he would, however, “prefer” that “you do it the other way,” revealing the truth.

“And I would particularly prefer to do it that other way if it's going to come out that way anyway,” he said.

Mr. Nixon makes a few more remarks about the likelihood of the story coming out. Mr. Mitchell says, “Well—”

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And now Trump has apparently asked Australia for oranges.
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Spirochetes.
Left-over brain syphilis from his own personal Viet Nam.
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I wonder if we could get back to topic: House Impeachment Inquiry.
I'm with you. Fortunately after skimming and skimming this thread, a bunch of stuff in the impeachment investigation is coming up this week and next.
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Michele Bachmann: In My Lifetime, I Have Never Seen A More Biblical President
That woman is sicker than Pence.... maybe.
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She's right. Sure, killing all brown first-borns would be frowned upon in our godless era, but locking them in cages is the next best thing.
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I think that once we get past the quibbling about what "career advancement" really means, we actually agree more than one might expect.
Quibbling? You used the word wrong. It doesn't mean that at all. That's not quibbling, because it scrambles your entire point.
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Michele Bachmann: In My Lifetime, I Have Never Seen A More Biblical President
In the sense that, like God, he's deceptive, vain, vindictive and quick to anger.
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Millions of people voted for Trump, and it was a moronic decision to vote that way. Those that still support him are morons.
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That's a pretty hateful thing to say about millions of real people, with real lives and concerns. I think you should reconsider selling your fellow citizens so short.
Likely it's a very real assessment. In addition, Republicans will vote for their candidate no matter what. If a candidate is running say at 30%, vs the democrat at over 50%, a red state will vote for the lousy candidate. Merely to show they do not want anything the democrat has to offer. "We don't need that socialist healthcare."
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In the sense that, like God, he's deceptive, vain, vindictive and quick to anger.
You left out jealous. Definitely jealous.
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You left out jealous. Definitely jealous.

And by most accounts relatively bloodthirsty.

A fitting deity for nomadic goatherds with a penchant for tribal warfare.
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Old 2nd October 2019, 06:57 AM   #558
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Quibbling? You used the word wrong. It doesn't mean that at all. That's not quibbling, because it scrambles your entire point.
Why are you still stuck on that? I explained my point to you. Acbytesla tesla grasped it right away, in spite of my terminology. He and I even had a conversation about it. But you're still stuck back there. Is my point still scrambled, for you?
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Old 2nd October 2019, 07:14 AM   #559
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Why are you still stuck on that? I explained my point to you.
And I addressed your explanation as nonsense. That's why I'm still stuck on that. You can resolve this issue my admitting that you misspoke.
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Old 2nd October 2019, 02:08 PM   #560
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And I addressed your explanation as nonsense. That's why I'm still stuck on that. You can resolve this issue my admitting that you misspoke.
I didn't misspeak, though. I said exactly what I wanted to say, in exactly the way I wanted to say it.

I'd say that you misunderstand, but even that's no longer true.
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