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Old 2nd November 2019, 08:44 PM   #1201
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
Defending Trump is no easy task. Even pretzels have a breaking point.

Growing number of GOP senators consider acknowledging Trump’s quid pro quo on Ukraine

As if The Godfather is actually about a good deed doer who is generous with his compliments and concerns.
And strokes, not grabs.
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Old 2nd November 2019, 09:29 PM   #1202
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
Defending Trump is no easy task. Even pretzels have a breaking point.

Growing number of GOP senators consider acknowledging Trump’s quid pro quo on Ukraine

As if The Godfather is actually about a good deed doer who is generous with his compliments and concerns.
These people are insane. All of them. I would find it hilarious how thoroughly they're destroying their party except that they're trying to take down the rule of law as well.
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Old 2nd November 2019, 09:43 PM   #1203
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This would be great: half the GOP goes off with one excuse and the other half choses a different, contradictory excuse.
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Old 2nd November 2019, 10:22 PM   #1204
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
This would be great: half the GOP goes off with one excuse and the other half choses a different, contradictory excuse.

That isn't all that unusual for them. Nor will it be if when they switch back and forth.

And certainly not very surprising. Their supporters can believe a nearly infinite number of impossible things before breakfast. They expect this. They depend on it.

And they're right. Those supporters do not disappoint them.
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Old 4th November 2019, 06:14 AM   #1205
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
This would be great: half the GOP goes off with one excuse and the other half choses a different, contradictory excuse.
There is a message they've all embraced at one time or another -- one which appeals to their simple-minded base of drooling inbreds: no you're the puppet. Put that on a t-shirt along with MAGA and you'll make a fortune.
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Old 4th November 2019, 07:53 AM   #1206
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what I find amazing is the degree to which Trump and the Republicans are crying "foul play" over a process that is clearly not.
If they are worried that a rather transparent, judicial process will cause them trouble, what do they think will happen if Democrats ever decide to play truly dirty?
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Old 4th November 2019, 12:17 PM   #1207
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Trump spelunker Rep Jim Jordan is now claiming that the whistleblower's offer to provide written answers, under oath, to the GOPers is not acceptable.
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Written answers will not provide a sufficient opportunity to probe all the relevant facts and cross examine the so-called Whistleblower.
Hmmmm...this coming after Trump refused to be interviewed by Mueller in person and only supplied written answers. I guess it's OK for Trump, but not for the whistleblower?

ETA: Unsurprisingly, Trump is also claiming written answers are not good enough. Such blatant hypocrisy should be shocking, but with Trump, it's par for the course.

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Old 4th November 2019, 12:25 PM   #1208
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Trump spelunker Rep Jim Jordan is now claiming that the whistleblower's offer to provide written answers, under oath, to the GOPers is not acceptable.


Hmmmm...this coming after Trump refused to be interviewed by Mueller in person and only supplied written answers. I guess it's OK for Trump, but not for the whistleblower?
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Old 4th November 2019, 12:31 PM   #1209
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They are cultists
His cultists can't see the sun from their location up his ***.
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What's interesting here is a whole lot more career employees work in the State Department than I ever imagined. And they are singing because they aren't appointed Trump cultists. The latest ones contradicted Pompeo and Solomon in their testimony according to the transcripts.
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Old 4th November 2019, 08:23 PM   #1211
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Remember when Republicans were whining that the process wasn't fair because it wasn't voted on? That was only a few days ago.......
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Old 5th November 2019, 10:29 AM   #1212
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Idiots at the latest Trump rally are wearing sweatshirts that say, "read the transcript". They were probably given out to the people behind Trump. It's obvious, they are zombies that will repeat anything.

In other news, Ron Paul announces he knows the whistleblower's name and says the media has an obligation to print it.
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Old 5th November 2019, 10:32 AM   #1213
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Idiots at the latest Trump rally are wearing sweatshirts that say, "read the transcript". They were probably given out to the people behind Trump. It's obvious, they are zombies that will repeat anything.
I'd bet that most of them haven't read it, so trusting they are of what the Annoying Annointed One has told them.
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Old 5th November 2019, 11:22 AM   #1215
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I doubt many Trump supporters can read Sanskrit - it's a bit cruel to ask them to learn how to.
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Old 5th November 2019, 12:05 PM   #1216
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According to the transcripts released today, Sondland changed his testimony yesterday to say there was quid-pro-quo.


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In the revision, Sdland said he recalled a Sept. 1 meeting with Andriy Yermak, a top aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, in which the aid was contingent on a public statement from Zelensky regarding launching probes that would benefit Trump politically.

“After a large meeting, I now recall speaking individually with Mr. Yermak, where I said that resumption of U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks,” Sondland said.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...clear-quid-pro
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Old 5th November 2019, 12:59 PM   #1217
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
If they are worried that a rather transparent, judicial process will cause them trouble, what do they think will happen if Democrats ever decide to play truly dirty?
I kind of hope the Dems are *already* playing dirty on the down-low. As long as they're not breaking the law. Since bribing and extorting GOP senators is A-OK, perhaps the Democrats can outbid the White House. After all, Trump has a history of reneging on deals, and there's a good chance those senators won't get paid. There's no law that I know of that says you can't just give a million dollars to someone. Forget about donating to the campaign, just give it straight to the person. Perfectly legal AFAIK. A small good-faith gesture signaling that the time for bipartisanship is now.

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Idiots at the latest Trump rally are wearing sweatshirts that say, "read the transcript". They were probably given out to the people behind Trump. It's obvious, they are zombies that will repeat anything.

In other news, Ron Paul announces he knows the whistleblower's name and says the media has an obligation to print it.
Times like these, I'd love to see billboards cycling through daily messages. For example, WHAT TRANSCRIPT? Change up daily like a marquee or a scoreboard. Billboards are kind of hard to not see, unlike social media where the user sets up the parameters. For the most part, the message doesn't have to be especially anti-Trump. Just a reminder that the White House has never released an actual transcript.

Re: Ron Paul. Did anyone ask him why the media has an obligation to print the whistleblower's name? Libertarians are endorsing forced speech? Why doesn't he just tweet it out himself?

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Old 5th November 2019, 01:02 PM   #1218
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According to the transcripts released today, Sondland changed his testimony yesterday to say there was quid-pro-quo.




https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...clear-quid-pro
Yeah, funny dat.
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Dup.

ETA: So which time was Sondland lying?

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Dup.

ETA: So which time was Sondland lying?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say he was lying before the testimonies contradicting him came out. Crazy, I know, but I live on the edge.
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What kind of messed up ******** is that? You can just go back and say, "Sorry, I was jk lol. There actually was a quid pro quo" without any circumstances. I hope this ******* stubs his toe every day for a week.
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Here's the original:
Is that a joke? A Poe?
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What kind of messed up ******** is that? You can just go back and say, "Sorry, I was jk lol. There actually was a quid pro quo" without any circumstances. I hope this ******* stubs his toe every day for a week.
It's been so long and the amount of executive wrongdoing so staggering that I can't remember the details, but Trump appointees were pulling this **** in literally the first month of his presidency.

In any other administration this would probably be the last straw resulting in resignation.
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Old 5th November 2019, 02:19 PM   #1224
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Originally Posted by bonzombiekitty View Post
According to the transcripts released today, Sondland changed his testimony yesterday to say there was quid-pro-quo.
Well...

No ****.

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Is that a joke? A Poe?
Just a quickly Photoshopped picture. (and yes, a joke.)
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Old 5th November 2019, 02:26 PM   #1225
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Looks like Sondland isn't willing to fall on his sword for His Royal High-ness-ness afterall.

Such disloyalties ought to be punished....

....

....

.... time for a new name!

Sweaty Sondland?
Slippery Sondland?
Abscondland?
Grasping Gordon?
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What kind of messed up ******** is that? You can just go back and say, "Sorry, I was jk lol. There actually was a quid pro quo" without any circumstances. I hope this ******* stubs his toe every day for a week.
He had time to think about it and apparently was granted an opportunity to come clean. I suppose that under those circumstances the investigating body would be somewhat magnanimous. You’d rather have the truth come out. Better late than never. I imagine his lawyer got something in writing from the House committee saying he would face no penalty for revising his testimony.

Stubbing a toe can be very painful!

ETA: Why did Sondland testify at all? Many of his colleagues are just blowing off subpoenas. Who is this guy? Someone who wants there to be life after Trump?

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Just a quickly Photoshopped picture. (and yes, a joke.)
Alas, too good to be true. Although in Trumpland there are probably more-egregious goofs IRL.

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Another stupid hoax by the Democrats and corrupt fake news. This time it is going to cost them the House and Trump will be easily reelected.
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He had time to think about it and apparently was granted an opportunity to come clean. ...
Or Vinland incriminated him.
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Another stupid hoax by the Democrats and corrupt fake news. This time it is going to cost them the House and Trump will be easily reelected.
Do you believe that it is acceptable for any future President to attempt to use money assigned to a help a foreign Government by Congress, as a method of extracting a favour, that personally benefits that President, from that Government?
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Do you believe that it is acceptable for any future President to attempt to use money assigned to a help a foreign Government by Congress, as a method of extracting a favour, that personally benefits that President, from that Government?
You're thinking about what Veep Joe Biden actually did and confessed to doing, yet he's a Democrat candidate for POTUS. Trump did no such thing and all one has to do is read the transcript of the call and Zelensky's confirmation that he felt no pressure. No amount of lies will change these indisputable facts.
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You're thinking about what Veep Joe Biden actually did and confessed to doing, yet he's a Democrat candidate for POTUS. Trump did no such thing and all one has to do is read the transcript of the call and Zelensky's confirmation that he felt no pressure. No amount of lies will change these indisputable facts.
Where are you getting this from?

Did you read the transcript? Where Trump says he needs a favor?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-conten...ied09.2019.pdf
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I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike ...

... The other thing, There's a lot of. talk about Biden's son,. that Eiden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.
For the record, Joe Biden bragged that he got a corrupt prosecutor removed who was stalling a UK investigation. Hunter Biden wasn't then and never was under any investigation.
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You're thinking about what Veep Joe Biden actually did and confessed to doing, yet he's a Democrat candidate for POTUS. Trump did no such thing and all one has to do is read the transcript of the call and Zelensky's confirmation that he felt no pressure. No amount of lies will change these indisputable facts.
<<Chef kiss>> It is pure distilled Trump grade BS. There is no finer BS in the world, and it is completely immune to facts and reason. That every part is wrong is part of what makes it so pure.
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You're thinking about what Veep Joe Biden actually did and confessed to doing, yet he's a Democrat candidate for POTUS. Trump did no such thing and all one has to do is read the transcript of the call and Zelensky's confirmation that he felt no pressure. No amount of lies will change these indisputable facts.
When hostages read prepared statements while their captors hold guns to their heads, do you also take that at face value?
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Old 5th November 2019, 03:51 PM   #1235
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When hostages read prepared statements while their captors hold guns to their heads, do you also take that at face value?
Or when a head of state declines to admit that they felt intimidated by another head of state? There is literally no upside for President Zelensky to make any statement that might project weakness or cause him to be even more involved in the process by which Trump might be removed.
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You're thinking about what Veep Joe Biden actually did and confessed to doing, yet he's a Democrat candidate for POTUS. Trump did no such thing and all one has to do is read the transcript of the call and Zelensky's confirmation that he felt no pressure. No amount of lies will change these indisputable facts.
Wow! What an absolutely big toilet bowl full of Trump turds.

1. Biden didn't confess to anything.
2. Trump OTOH withheld US military aid in an attempt to get Zelensky to tell the world that they were investigating Biden.
3. It doesn't help Ukraine to get involved in US politics given that it needs US aid in its fight against Russia. So it's probably smart to take whatever the Ukrainian President says with a grain of salt.

Read the transcript...which isn't a transcript though. It sounds like a shakedown. Here we've been good to Ukraine. We need you to do a favor though.

Maybe you believe it's right for the President to use military aid in an attempt to get a foreign government to smear a political opponent. I DON'T.
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If this was being prosecuted in a actual trial, with a unbiased journey, I think the DA would be looking at a slam dunk about now.
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Old 5th November 2019, 03:59 PM   #1238
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Wow! What an absolutely big toilet bowl full of Trump turds.

1. Biden didn't confess to anything.
2. Trump OTOH withheld US military aid in an attempt to get Zelensky to tell the world that they were investigating Biden.
3. It doesn't help Ukraine to get involved in US politics given that it needs US aid in its fight against Russia. So it's probably smart to take whatever the Ukrainian President says with a grain of salt.

Read the transcript...which isn't a transcript though. It sounds like a shakedown. Here we've been good to Ukraine. We need you to do a favor though.

Maybe you believe it's right for the President to use military aid in an attempt to get a foreign government to smear a political opponent. I DON'T.
What is amazing is they don't see that even if the accusation aginst Biden have some validiaity, it does not get Trump off the hook.
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Old 5th November 2019, 04:03 PM   #1239
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
If this was being prosecuted in a actual trial, with a unbiased journey, I think the DA would be looking at a slam dunk about now.
If only we could hang onto that feeling.
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Old 5th November 2019, 04:16 PM   #1240
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What is amazing is they don't see that even if the accusation aginst Biden have some validiaity, it does not get Trump off the hook.
Exactly! I could care less about Biden. He's not my pick anyway. But what Biden did had absolutely nothing to do with his son. In fact, if anything, it would have had a negative effect on Hunter Biden.

It's such a joke that Trump keeps telling us to "read the transcript". It was the damn transcript that launched the impeachment inquiry. It was the one thing that convinced me that there was no choice but to impeach Trump.

Now, there are a hundred other things Trump has done that he should be impeached over most importantly Obstruction of Justice. In my mind, this is worse than his military extortion scheme.
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