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Old 25th April 2010, 07:44 AM   #121
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Last night I saw a fire burnin'
On the palace lawn
O'er the land, the humble subjects watched
In mixed emotion

Who is burnin'? Who is burnin'?
Effigy
Who is burnin'? Who is burnin'?
Effigy

Last night I saw the fire spreadin'
To the palace door
Silent majority weren't keepin'
Quiet anymore

Who is burnin'? Who is burnin'?
Effigy
Who is burnin'? Who is burnin'?
Effigy

Last night I saw the fire spreadin'
To the country side
In the mornin' few were left
To watch the ashes die

Who is burnin'? Who is burnin'?
Effigy
Who is burnin'? Who is burnin'?
Effigy

Why? Why? Why?
Effigy
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Old 25th April 2010, 09:34 AM   #122
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Ok fine. you guys win.

let the Israelis burn effigys of our President. Let them devote an entire day to burning effigys of Obama. Let them name all of their monkeys at the zoo "Barack".

let them call President Obama "President Kufi". let them call all black cats "Barry Soetero"

and we in the USA will react in kind. freedom of speech followed by the freedom of reaction.
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Old 25th April 2010, 09:43 AM   #123
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Ok fine. you guys win.

let the Israelis burn effigys of our President. Let them devote an entire day to burning effigys of Obama. Let them name all of their monkeys at the zoo "Barack".

let them call President Obama "President Kufi". let them call all black cats "Barry Soetero"

and we in the USA will react in kind. freedom of speech followed by the freedom of reaction.
Thanks to Freedom of Speech, the freedom you wish to deny to others, you are welcome to say anything you want in response. Irony can be pretty ironic, sometimes.
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Old 25th April 2010, 09:58 AM   #124
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It's actually my quote, not McHrozni's.

The point about parky/Thunder's lack of reading comprehension stands though.
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Irony can be pretty ironic, sometimes.
LOL.

Parky, do you yet understand that you asked a question, got an answer, and went off on a tangent assuming that the answer was the opposite of what the answer really was? Do I have to post red text again?

Here are your options, as I see them:
  • Oops, my bad
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Old 25th April 2010, 10:23 AM   #125
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Thanks to Freedom of Speech, the freedom you wish to deny to others, you are welcome to say anything you want in response. Irony can be pretty ironic, sometimes.
fine. burn our President in effigy. but we have the right to respond in kind.

Freedom of speech does not include freedom from being hated and criticized and penalized for what you say. its a two way street buddy.

so like I said, burn our President in effigy. have a national holiday for it. but don't expect me to like it or reward it.
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Old 25th April 2010, 10:40 AM   #126
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Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
fine. burn our President in effigy. but we have the right to respond in kind.

Freedom of speech does not include freedom from being hated and criticized and penalized for what you say. its a two way street buddy.
Of course you can hate Israel all you want. Criticize all you want. And I'm not your buddy, pal.

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so like I said, burn our President in effigy. have a national holiday for it. but don't expect me to like it or reward it.
Nobody was asking you to.
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Old 25th April 2010, 11:08 AM   #127
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Nobody was asking you to.
ah...but when the American TV networks broadcast video of Israelis burning effigys of Obama, and our people start questioning the wisdom of generously giving $2 billion a year to a nation where our leaders are highly disrespected with no consequences, the accusations of "anti-Semitism" will be loud and long.

so go ahead, burn Obama in effigy. Burn all of our leaders in effigy. But don't cry to us when we respond. and don't cry if someone decides to burn your **** ing flag on the Washington Mall in response. and don't cry if someone decides to burn Netanyahu, Perez, Barak, and all your other leaders in effigy on the Capital steps in response.

just brush it away...as "free speech". im sure you will.

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Old 25th April 2010, 11:24 AM   #128
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Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
ah...but when the American TV networks broadcast video of Israelis burning effigys of Obama, and our people start questioning the wisdom of generously giving $2 billion a year to a nation where our leaders are highly disrespected with no consequences, the accusations of "anti-Semitism" will be loud and long.

so go ahead, burn Obama in effigy. Burn all of our leaders in effigy. But don't cry to us when we respond. and don't cry if someone decides to burn your **** ing flag on the Washington Mall in response. and don't cry if someone decides to burn Netanyahu, Perez, Barak, and all your other leaders in effigy on the Capital steps in response.

just brush it away...as "free speech". im sure you will.
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Old 25th April 2010, 11:25 AM   #129
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So it's option #3 then?
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I wonder how folks here would feel about Neo-Nazis marching through a Jewish neighborhood, while burning Israeli flags, and burning American Jewish leaders in effigy.

Oh, I am sure they would totally support it. Its just free speech, after all.
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Old 25th April 2010, 11:31 AM   #131
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I wonder how folks here would feel about Neo-Nazis marching through a Jewish neighborhood, while burning Israeli flags, and burning American Jewish leaders in effigy.

Oh, I am sure they would totally support it. Its just free speech, after all.
Support? No. Allow? Yes.
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Old 25th April 2010, 11:33 AM   #132
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I wonder how folks here would feel about Neo-Nazis marching through a Jewish neighborhood, while burning Israeli flags, and burning American Jewish leaders in effigy.
We had that in Skokie, Illinois. Didn't you see the Blues Brothers?

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Are you going to answer the question in this post or not? You ranted and name-called based on your mis-reading of the answer to your question. I mean, I'm not looking for a huge mea culpa, just mere acknowledgement of your error. "My bad" or some such. Are you so dishonest that you can't even do this?
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Clearly the point of this thread is to try and create some sort of moral equivalency between Israel and Hamas vis-a-vis their view of the USA.

So, let's see: looking for the most anti-American action one could find in this attempt to smear Israel -- which, incidentally, is probably the most pro-American country in the world (apart from the USA itself), whatever Israelies think about Obama -- and this is what one finds? A few folks thinking of burning Obama in effigy as political protest?

I mean, that's it?

Not exactly the same as, say, the PLO and Hamas killing American citizens whose only crime was being Jewish in terrorist attacks, Hizbullah killing hundreds of Marines, Al Quaeda's 9/11 attacks, etc., now is it?

This thread is the opposite of "damnation by faint praise" -- it's "unintentional praise by faint blame". When you look for the most anti-American action you could find and this is the best (or the worst) you can do, it merely proves how pro-USA Israel is.
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Something else: when Bush was burned in effigy and Israeli flags burned all over the place, that was the USA and Israel's fault, because they made the burners angry. Suddenly, when a few clowns are planning to burn Obama in effigy, Obama is, naturally, blameless -- it's their extremism and hatred of the USA and of Obama that causes them to do it.

Hallelujah! Finally, at long last, we have found somebody in the middle east who is a real extremist, who does nasty things because he's a nasty person, and not because he's a poor innocent pushed to blowing up buses or beheading hostages because of "the occupation" or "the invasion of Iraq" or whatever.

Naturally, it's the Jew.

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Old 25th April 2010, 12:01 PM   #135
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We had that in Skokie, Illinois. Didn't you see the Blues Brothers?

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Are you going to answer the question in this post or not? You ranted and name-called based on your mis-reading of the answer to your question. I mean, I'm not looking for a huge mea culpa, just mere acknowledgement of your error. "My bad" or some such. Are you so dishonest that you can't even do this?
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Old 25th April 2010, 12:17 PM   #136
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I wonder how folks here would feel about Neo-Nazis marching through a Jewish neighborhood, while burning Israeli flags, and burning American Jewish leaders in effigy.

Oh, I am sure they would totally support it. Its just free speech, after all.
http://www.esquilax.com/flag/history.html

Or what if jews do it?

http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Recent/flag031803.cfm

A good shot at a Bush burning a ways down.

http://zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/

I think this last one should be posted in the new threads about crazy right wing CTers and teabaggers just to remind everyone both wings are freakin nuts.

Eta: It's all disturbing, but it should be legal.

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Old 25th April 2010, 12:50 PM   #137
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It's all disturbing, but it should be legal.
Indeed.

(totally not as cool as Uncle Tupelo, but I have a soft spot for this album)
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Old 25th April 2010, 12:52 PM   #138
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Ok fine. you guys win.

let the Israelis burn effigys of our President. Let them devote an entire day to burning effigys of Obama. Let them name all of their monkeys at the zoo "Barack".

let them call President Obama "President Kufi". let them call all black cats "Barry Soetero"

and we in the USA will react in kind. freedom of speech followed by the freedom of reaction.
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Old 25th April 2010, 12:53 PM   #139
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I usually think the laughing dog is overused.

Not this time.
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That wasn't nearly as epic as it is made out to be. They weren't setting a baby on fire.
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I can't wait for the fires to start. When is Lag B'Omer anyways?
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I can't wait for the fires to start. When is Lag B'Omer anyways?
I suppose you want this celebration banned as well. Starting a fire in public, and all. You are against that, right?
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Old 25th April 2010, 02:21 PM   #144
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Yepper.
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I suppose you want this celebration banned as well. Starting a fire in public, and all. You are against that, right?
um...if Israelis are silly enough to have a Holiday where they burn pictures of the enemies of the Jews, that is their issue. I find it a bit backwards and barbaric, personally.
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um...if Israelis are silly enough to have a Holiday where they burn pictures of the enemies of the Jews, that is their issue. I find it a bit backwards and barbaric, personally.
Is that what Lag BaOmer is all about? I'm not Israeli, nor Jew, but what I've read about it, that's not at all what it's about.

So you are abandoning your claim that burning Obama in effigy by Israelis in Israel should be stopped by the US because burning things in public is illegal? Or are you willing to allow the burning images of some things in public but not images of other things? What makes burning one image "their issue", while burning another image "illegal"?
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So you are abandoning your claim that burning Obama in effigy by Israelis in Israel should be stopped by the US because burning things in public is illegal?
The USA should not stop anything that Israel does. We are not its mommy.

But we have the right to react to Israeli actions.
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The USA should not stop anything that Israel does. We are not its mommy.

But we have the right to react to Israeli actions.
What do you think the US ought to do because of this?
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What do you think the US ought to do because of this?
ive already said in previous posts.
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Is that what Lag BaOmer is all about? I'm not Israeli, nor Jew, but what I've read about it, that's not at all what it's about.
Lag BaOmer commemorates the end of plague that killed many of Rabbi Akiva's students 2000 years ago. Lighting bonfires to do so is a custom that goes back, I am pretty sure, hundreds of years.

Since the establishment of the state of Israel, and earlier, at least during the time of the pre-state yishuv [Jewish community in pre-state Palestine], it has been a tradition to burn in effigy on that day whatever political leader the makers of the bonfire dislike. It is, for this reason, probably hard to find any significant political leader, foreign or domestic, which WASN'T burned in effigy by SOMEONE on Lag Ba'Omer due to unpopular policies in the eyes of the bonfire maker -- but that hardly means, of course, the state of Israel hates everybody in the world and wants all other country leaders dead.

The original OP is the equivalent of someone who has no idea of British history or culture looking at the celebrations on Guy Fawkes' day and screaming that he's just seen something terrible happen in Britain, that it is a barbaric nation on the point of bringing back burning at the stake into law, that Catholics are at the point of being massacred there, and that the USA must immediately use its right to react to this barbarism by stopping all cooperation with this evil country.

Can't say I'm surprised. This sort of bone-headed misunderstanding is bound to happen, and frequently, when one is obsessed with hatred of a country and constantly posts "horrible truths" about it, yet -- never have been there and not knowing anything about it -- not having the least idea what the country is actually like.

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ah...but when the American TV networks broadcast video of Israelis burning effigys of Obama, and our people start questioning the wisdom of generously giving $2 billion a year to a nation where our leaders are highly disrespected with no consequences, the accusations of "anti-Semitism" will be loud and long.

so go ahead, burn Obama in effigy. Burn all of our leaders in effigy. But don't cry to us when we respond. and don't cry if someone decides to burn your **** ing flag on the Washington Mall in response. and don't cry if someone decides to burn Netanyahu, Perez, Barak, and all your other leaders in effigy on the Capital steps in response.

just brush it away...as "free speech". im sure you will.
The op says that "extremists" are doing it. That implies that it is a tiny minority. Why even care that there are extremists who say stupid things?
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Uncle Tupelo totally copying Creedence Clearwater Revival
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The op says that "extremists" are doing it. That implies that it is a tiny minority. Why even care that there are extremists who say stupid things?
Don't you even care that monkeys in other countries will named after our president? My God! Think of the chaos!

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But don't cry to us when we respond. and don't cry if someone decides to burn your **** ing flag on the Washington Mall
It's a good thing that parky is a zionist, so he is only calling for burning of the "[rule 10] Israeli flag" on the Washington Mall in "retaliation".

One shudders to think what he would call on the US to do in retaliation for the dirty Jews extremists burning Obama in effigy if he were an anti-zionist.

As Freud said when he heard his books were being burned in Germany, "What progress! 500 years ago they would have burned me!".

As it turned out, he was wrong.
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As a rule, when one's raison d'etre is to be a constant witness to how awful and disgusting country X is, it helps to actually know something about country X.

Otherwise, one will quickly make a fool of oneself.

Once one does do that, it will not help to turn the outrage scale up to 11 and scream and holler in an attempt to cover up one's screwup and ignorance of the country one hates so much.

It just makes one look like an outraged fool, which is another name for a lunatic.

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ive already said in previous posts.
So you're in favor of the US strongarming other countries into limiting their citizens' free-speech rights. Nice.
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Old 26th April 2010, 07:37 AM   #157
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Originally Posted by mortimer View Post
So you're in favor of the US strongarming other countries into limiting their citizens' free-speech rights. Nice.
yes. the ADL and I have a lot in common.
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Old 26th April 2010, 09:47 AM   #158
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Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
yes. the ADL and I have a lot in common.
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I was told that the right of Isrealis to burn Obama in effigy has nothing to do with them being right to do it.
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Old 26th April 2010, 01:07 PM   #160
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if these extremist Israelis burn Obama in effigy, I will respond by posting pictures of Neo-Nazis burning Elie Weisel in effigy.
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