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Old 26th February 2018, 07:18 PM   #841
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Originally Posted by MileHighMadness View Post
My best guess...

The tests were done, and the results were negative.

The money is all gone.

Mark Basile is just hoping the whole thing goes away...


I'll add.........Ziggi lies to keep his self imposed importance to the "project" alive.
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Old 27th February 2018, 11:26 AM   #842
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Originally Posted by Criteria View Post
Who cares about your heavily biased assumptions, suspicions, speculations etc etc.

Rather than waste all your time and effort carefully crafting text to appear more salient than it is, why don’t you address the science.

If you feel Mark Basile’s choice of Raman Spectroscopy has no legitimacy than let’s hear your argument!
Very effective trolling.

Especially the "science" - many examples of which no Truther will address, spelled out in detail on these very discussions.
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Old 27th February 2018, 04:51 PM   #843
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Originally Posted by LSSBB View Post
Very effective trolling.

Especially the "science" - many examples of which no Truther will address, spelled out in detail on these very discussions.
It's all they have left.

Will he actually deal with the question at hand, why is Basile doing this in the first place and not what he was tasked?

"Truthers" will not address this because they know it's because the issue was answered years ago and will not support their fantasy.

Watch how Criteria avoids this pointed question.
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Old 1st March 2018, 08:12 AM   #844
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It's now March 1, and so that means Ziggi Zugam can only claim that his lame, bare assertion that Mark Basile has done some Raman spectroscopy study, which may or may not be published in some form in another 2 months, was in actuality his much touted "major" February update on Mark Basile's 4-year long failure to simply submit the chips to an independent lab for testing.

LOL.

Who among you truthers still believes anything Ziggi Zugam claims regarding this project and why?

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Old 9th March 2018, 10:27 PM   #845
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Originally Posted by benthamitemetric View Post
It's now March 1, and so that means Ziggi Zugam can only claim that his lame, bare assertion that Mark Basile has done some Raman spectroscopy study, which may or may not be published in some form in another 2 months, was in actuality his much touted "major" February update on Mark Basile's 4-year long failure to simply submit the chips to an independent lab for testing.

LOL.

Who among you truthers still believes anything Ziggi Zugam claims regarding this project and why?
Well you never know, truthers are some of the most gullible people on the planet so I'm sure there's still a few around.

My hope is one of the large donors takes Basile and Ziggi to court and sues them for fraud.

The good thing is, these two scam artists have done as much to discredit the 9/11 Truth movement as anyone ever has.
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Old 10th March 2018, 11:03 AM   #846
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Originally Posted by Criteria View Post
”…why don’t you address the science.

If you feel Mark Basile’s choice of Raman Spectroscopy has no legitimacy than let’s hear your argument!
It appears that no one here understands the subject of Raman Spectroscopy well enough to support an opinion about its value to Mark Basile’s research.
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Old 10th March 2018, 11:14 AM   #847
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Originally Posted by Criteria View Post
It appears that no one here understands the subject of Raman Spectroscopy well enough to support an opinion about its value to Mark Basile’s research.
If indeed some Raman spectroscopy results exist, then we'll be able to comment on them when they're published. When will that be, exactly?

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Old 10th March 2018, 11:32 AM   #848
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Originally Posted by Criteria View Post
It appears that no one here understands the subject of Raman Spectroscopy well enough to support an opinion about its value to Mark Basile’s research.
If you understood science/physics/engineering, you would not be fooled by 9/11 truth lies. Why no evidence for 9/11 truth claims. Do you have any? 9/11 truth claims, based on overwhelming ignorance of science.

9/11 truth believers fall for the dumbest claims. Why? Lack of knowledge, or overwhelming gullibility. When will the study be complete?

There is no damage to steel on 9/11 due to thermite. Basile debunked on September 11th, 2001. The results of a worthless study will be, "what"?

What is your opinion of Raman Spectroscopy WRT Basile's delusion of thermite used on 9/11, with no evidence of WTC steel damage due to thermite? oops, debunked before done.
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Old 10th March 2018, 11:35 AM   #849
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Originally Posted by Criteria View Post
It appears that no one here understands the subject of Raman Spectroscopy well enough to support an opinion about its value to Mark Basile’s research.
I had addressed this at length in post #837.

The short version: You had created a Strawman - a fallacy, as you know.

You need to address that post. Until then, I am laughing at you.
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Old 11th March 2018, 05:07 AM   #850
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Originally Posted by Criteria View Post
It appears that no one here understands the subject of Raman Spectroscopy well enough to support an opinion about its value to Mark Basile’s research.
The whole Idea of testing these chips is now a Joke Harley Davidson cherry red,
Aluminum metallic flake paint has 20 times the energy value of these chips and is thermitic under N2 or argon.
Why wouldn't the perps just used it?
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Old 11th March 2018, 05:43 AM   #851
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Originally Posted by Criteria View Post
It appears that no one here understands the subject of Raman Spectroscopy well enough to support an opinion about its value to Mark Basile’s research.
Raman is good at telling if solids are strongly bonded as the energy rates are different for bonded and non bonded materials, but that hardly helps you or Basile at all. Anything found would have to be also analized by other methods to determine natural vs unnatural.
And I doubt the Raman signal would show Elemental Aluminum, Raman can be fooled by Aluminum compounds.
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Old 11th March 2018, 06:15 AM   #852
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For his Raman spectroscopy tests to be of any use for us, he needs to do the following:

Step 1: Select chips from his dust sample by pulling them out with a magnet and selecting the red-gay ones. Document with Visible Light Microscope
Step 2: Prepare specimens for the electron microscope, e.g. split them with scalpel to create a fresh, smooth surface
Step 3: Take SEM micrographs - both SE and BSE. Show the pigments in the matrix! Ideally, he finds specimens with rhombic grains and hexagonal plates like Harrit et al did in their Figures 8-11, and also specimens with different pigments
Step 4: At the same time, take XEDS spectra from the same areas. Again, we need a match for the spectra in Figure 6 and 7 for those chips that have rhombic grains and hexagonal plates as pigments. Ideally, he also finds specimens with an elemental composition of the red layer similar to Fig 14 (the chip Jones incompetently handled and destroyed in an MEK bath)
Step 5: Focus on the different pigment species, and also on areas where there is only matrix, and take spot XEDS


THEN he is ready to examine the same specimens with Raman spectroscopy.

I guarantee that he will identify epoxy, iron(III) oxide and aluminium silicate (a crystal latice with alternating layers of Al2O3 and SiO2 molecules) in the chips that resemble Figures 6-11.
I still hope for direct evidence of strontium chromate (remember that both Harrit and Farrer, from independent tests on their red-gray chips, have reported seeing traces of both strontium and chromium).

If Basile finds chips very similar to what Jones raped with MEK, he will find alkyd groups, linolenic and other fatty acids, zinc chromate, both crystalline and amorpic SiO2, iron(III) oxide again of course, and calcium aluminates, as well as talc (magnesium silicate).
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
For his Raman spectroscopy tests to be of any use for us, he needs to do the following:

Step 1: Select chips from his dust sample by pulling them out with a magnet and selecting the red-gay ones. Document with Visible Light Microscope
Step 2: Prepare specimens for the electron microscope, e.g. split them with scalpel to create a fresh, smooth surface
Step 3: Take SEM micrographs - both SE and BSE. Show the pigments in the matrix! Ideally, he finds specimens with rhombic grains and hexagonal plates like Harrit et al did in their Figures 8-11, and also specimens with different pigments
Step 4: At the same time, take XEDS spectra from the same areas. Again, we need a match for the spectra in Figure 6 and 7 for those chips that have rhombic grains and hexagonal plates as pigments. Ideally, he also finds specimens with an elemental composition of the red layer similar to Fig 14 (the chip Jones incompetently handled and destroyed in an MEK bath)
Step 5: Focus on the different pigment species, and also on areas where there is only matrix, and take spot XEDS


THEN he is ready to examine the same specimens with Raman spectroscopy.

I guarantee that he will identify epoxy, iron(III) oxide and aluminium silicate (a crystal latice with alternating layers of Al2O3 and SiO2 molecules) in the chips that resemble Figures 6-11.
I still hope for direct evidence of strontium chromate (remember that both Harrit and Farrer, from independent tests on their red-gray chips, have reported seeing traces of both strontium and chromium).

If Basile finds chips very similar to what Jones raped with MEK, he will find alkyd groups, linolenic and other fatty acids, zinc chromate, both crystalline and amorpic SiO2, iron(III) oxide again of course, and calcium aluminates, as well as talc (magnesium silicate).
Of course, there was never anything to the CD theories, of Jones he is simply a physicist who either,
A does not understand Physics. Or be committed deliberate Fraud, for political and
Monitary gain with Alex Jones and Jones's RTV backers, and troll networks to capitalize on Propoganda being generated at the Time. By Islamic exstreamists, Neo Nazis, the Nation Of Islam, and Certain state actors.
That became popular after Dylan Avery Produced Loose Change.
Conspiracy theories have but one purpose in modern Cyber warfare, and that is to cause confusion and hate among them populace of a Free Democracy.
Such cyber warfare can only be fought with Logic, Science, and Understanding how and why such things are perpetuated and what the goals and gains are.
With that understanding it is clear that much of the Truth Movement was nothing but Propogandizing by different State actors.
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