Gravysites: Where 9/11 Conspiracies are Laid to Rest

[lisabob2]

Originally Posted by Gravy

You can just bookmark the Links page. The two other sites are linked from there.

Links for 9/11 Research
A thousand or so categorized links, and several "mini sites" that are expanded versions of longer posts I've made here.
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/home

World Trade Center Building 7 and the Lies of the 9/11 Truth Movement (now online and updated)
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/introduction

William Rodriguez, Escape Artist
http://911stories.googlepages.com/home

here are some good sites for sourced articles and some common sense:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/

http://www.ae911truth.org/

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

http://www.911truth.org/

Anybody who has any critical thinking skills at all can figure out that the official conspiracy theory is full of holes and not back up by the physical evidence.
Use reason as your guide, not what you wish the facts to be, but what the real facts are, and you will be wise. Don't use reason and be blind.

[twinstead]

Originally Posted by lisabob2

here are some good sites for sourced articles and some common sense:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/

http://www.ae911truth.org/

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

http://www.911truth.org/

Anybody who has any critical thinking skills at all can figure out that the official conspiracy theory is full of holes and not back up by the physical evidence.
Use reason as your guide, not what you wish the facts to be, but what the real facts are, and you will be wise. Don't use reason and be blind.

Perhaps you could start a thread and debunk gravy's information. I'd be curious as to what he got wrong.

[R.Mackey]

Ah, a drive-by-truthing....

I guess the fastest way to show how stupid this is would be to point out that, at this moment, two of those cited references (the "Journal" of 9/11 Stundies and the "Pilots for Truth") are at present going to war with each other.

Obviously at least one of them is full of crap. Which one, Truther? How can you tell?

What? You can't tell?

That's because you don't know anything. Dismissed.

[JAStewart]

I've never witnessed such an eloquent destruction. Epic.

[LibraryLady]

I have split SaiGirl's posts to a new thread here.

[grandmastershek]

Can anyone tell me where I can see Gravy's presentation at ATM 5.5? I can only find the heckler parts on google video. Thanks in advance.

[Orphia Nay]

Originally Posted by grandmastershek

Can anyone tell me where I can see Gravy's presentation at ATM 5.5? I can only find the heckler parts on google video. Thanks in advance.

I doubt anyone will have uploaded it anywhere. You can buy the TAM 5.5 DVD from the JREF store here:

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/...&category_id=1

[grandmastershek]

Originally Posted by orphia nay

I doubt anyone will have uploaded it anywhere. You can buy the TAM 5.5 DVD from the JREF store here:

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/...&category_id=1

Thanks!

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by Mobyseven

1.37GB?



Orph, there's no way I could get you to burn a DVD and get a hardcopy off you, is there?

My download limit here is 1GB per semester, and $26 for every extra GB. And I've already spent a lot of that...

That is daylight robbery,I pay 40 euros for 46 GB a month.

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by lisabob2

here are some good sites for sourced articles and some common sense:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/

http://www.ae911truth.org/

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

http://www.911truth.org/

Anybody who has any critical thinking skills at all can figure out that the official conspiracy theory is full of holes and not back up by the physical evidence.
Use reason as your guide, not what you wish the facts to be, but what the real facts are, and you will be wise. Don't use reason and be blind.

If reason was always a guide there would be no Truthers.

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by CJOKUSAP

I've noticed that most of the objections to even the slightest possibility of any conspiracy accusations being likely, is the matter of complicity. "How dare you imply that G.W. could be involved in such a heinous crime!", "So, the entire administration are murderers are they?", etc, ad nauseum. But, consider (Now you need an open mind to do this properly, but don't be scared; it can actually be a quite liberating experience.) the possibility that Bush is simply the 'puppet-master's' head, and the military, etc. relate to different parts of the body. Do you not want to know who has his, or her hand up your governments arse? Because I WOULD, and do. Forget quibbling over the cost of an entirely independent, full inquiry,i.e. Done by a different country, into the events a month either side of September the 11th, 2001. The outcome either way would be the best money your country has ever spent. If it concludes that the initial inquiry was correct, and the only fault of your government was to underestimate 'the enemy', then the government is absolved of any involvement, and you all can shout, "Told ya so!" until you are hoarse.

Does that not seem like a reasonable request or demand, when the future of "Democracy" is at stake?

Why is the future of democracy at stake? (in the USA I presume,democracy is doing fine here in Belgium)

[Pantaz]

Originally Posted by dafydd

Why is the future of democracy at stake? (in the USA I presume,democracy is doing fine here in Belgium)

Umm... You do realize you are responding to a post from 2½ years ago... or are you just really bored?

[Klimax]

Originally Posted by dafydd

That is daylight robbery,I pay 40 euros for 46 GB a month.

What is download limit? And upload?
(Both for home connection and Eduroam university connection)

[fess]

This is quite possibly the best thread I have read in years, thx Gravy… and everyone else.

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by Klimax

What is download limit? And upload?
(Both for home connection and Eduroam university connection)

Download limit bumped up to 50 GB per month,upload 3 GB.

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by Pantaz

Umm... You do realize you are responding to a post from 2½ years ago... or are you just really bored?

Bored.

[Klimax]

Originally Posted by dafydd

Download limit bumped up to 50 GB per month,upload 3 GB.

Not much... [/EOD]

[theshillbarrett]

Nice, very useful to have material for DebunkDad

That's pretty cool. I might even get an Illuminati pay raise!

I'll share.

[Jono]

Originally Posted by lisabob2

here are some good sites for sourced articles and some common sense:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/

http://www.ae911truth.org/

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

http://www.911truth.org/

Anybody who has any critical thinking skills at all can figure out that the official conspiracy theory is full of holes and not back up by the physical evidence.
Use reason as your guide, not what you wish the facts to be, but what the real facts are, and you will be wise. Don't use reason and be blind.

PM with one single, specific claim of the 9/11 Truth Movement, and I'll gladly explain to you, carefully, why it's generally not taken serious. Please.

[NoahFence]

Too bad I just found these forums recently - this would have been a fun thread to be a part of!

[Jono]

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Too bad I just found these forums recently - this would have been a fun thread to be a part of!

Well with truthers et al, this kind of history tends to repeat itself ad nauseum. So with that being said, I'm sure you'll get plenty of chances.

[HannibalGroup]

Is there a list of investigations done by universities (like the ones Purdue and MIT did), scientists and engineers worldwide on this forum?

[chrismohr]

Wow Mr Gravy this is so over the top good. I can't believe all the material you have compiled.

I think you know about my Richard Gage Rebuttal videos just coming out on YouTube, but in case you don't have it on your list, here they are:

part 0 introduction http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC3JgWkNNIQ
part 1 how collapses initiated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-WQdmpdM_g
part 2 Richard's ten reasons for natural collapse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If5C8YiXHhE
part 3 history of fire collapses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsjfSG69Pik
part 4 symmetrical/freefall http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsjfSG69Pik
part 5 lateral ejection of steel and squibs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2538YN1l1nA
part 6 pulverized concrete and steel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD0zg1OwBSo
part 7 eyewitness accounts of explosions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aB-Apjqef8
part 8 molten steel and iron in debris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7OxQ...eature=related
part 9 iron microspheres http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev48qEO9SyU
part 10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OpzRcYqlKQ
part 11a thermitics in the dust http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYja1f-Tefc
part 11b thermitics in the dust continued http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb8Q1...eature=related
part 12 conclusion twin towers portion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJhy2...eature=related
part 13 Building 7 NIST introduction http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv06L...eature=related
part 14 Size of Building 7 fires http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJUDQVqbMto
part 15 Path of Leasrt Resistance Building 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvZ_3JVjHeo
part 16 Eyewitness Accounts re Building 7; Foreknowledge of Destruction http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajIr2G4wFn4
part 17 Size of Conspiracy, How Many People Would it Take? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iya9P5TRd-0
part 18 Building 7 freefall collapse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkbDyAJuirg
part 19 A New Investigation? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LnYfB4OaDM
part 20 Concluding Remarks: Waking Up from what Richard Gage calls "the nightmare of 9/11;" a heartflet appeal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8l7j6h9elQ

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#18 is about to be updated so that link may change in a few days.

Chris Mohr

[DaveThomasNMSR]

My article in the July/August 2011 issue of Skeptical Inquirer, "The 9/11 Truth Movement:The Top Conspiracy Theory, a Decade Later", which was discussed at length in this thread, is finally on-line, here.

When Ted Goertzel wrote about 9/11 Truth in the Jan./Feb. 2011 Skeptical Inquirer, Richard Gage's Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truthiness were quick to respond with a post titled "Skeptical Inquirer Attacks 9/11 Truth Movement, Avoids Vast Body of Scientific Evidence."

When the May/June 2011 issue of Skeptical Inquirer came out (April 8, 2011), it contained two letters-to-the-editor by AE911Truth supporters. AE911 staff proudly posted the letters on May 4th, 2011, just a few weeks after the issue appeared on news-stands.

Curiously, Gage and AE911 Truth have failed to even mention the special July/August 2011 edition of Skeptical Inquirer, with three articles on 9/11 truth conspiracies. Months have passed, and it is now evident no "response" will be forthcoming.

What was so compelling in this issue that Gage resisted his usual impulse to blast Skeptical Inquirer for not taking 9/11 truthiness seriously?

Try a taste of Gage Bane^TM. Check it out here!

[mudlark]

Quote:

Hey Dabljuh, do you really want to pi$$ with Mark Roberts (Gravy)? Do you really want to challenge his claims and say he's "wrong"?

I'll be demonstrating how he's way off the mark (no pun intended) with his Pentagon witness list (below) very shortly.

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7li...videncesummary

Stay tuned.

[carlitos]

Originally Posted by mudlark

I'll be demonstrating how he's way off the mark (no pun intended) with his Pentagon witness list (below) very shortly.

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7li...videncesummary

Stay tuned.

I think you are about 5 years too late for this.

[mudlark]

Originally Posted by carlitos

I think you are about 5 years too late for this.

Yeah, Gravy's witness links are so outdated and exaggerated.

But it was a lot of work trying to clean his mess up. Well, his "interpretation" of it. And that of "Bart" and "Someguyyoudontknow" and "They Saw".

I don't know how he totted up the numbers

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by mudlark

Yeah, Gravy's witness links are so outdated and exaggerated.

But it was a lot of work trying to clean his mess up. Well, his "interpretation" of it. And that of "Bart" and "Someguyyoudontknow" and "They Saw".

I don't know how he totted up the numbers

Outdated for an event 11 years ago. 911 logic? Did they change their testimony? RADAR data confirms the witnesses, which pre-debunks your claim of nonsense to come. FDR, does too. What new woo do you bring to the failed 911 truth movement of lies and fantasy?

[EventHorizon]

Originally Posted by mudlark

Stay tuned.

In the entire history of the internet, has this phrase ever been followed up with actual useful information? I'm thinking no.

[mudlark]

Originally Posted by beachnut

Outdated for an event 11 years ago. 911 logic? Did they change their testimony? RADAR data confirms the witnesses, which pre-debunks your claim of nonsense to come. FDR, does too. What new woo do you bring to the failed 911 truth movement of lies and fantasy?

"Outdated" as in the much quoted figure of "104 witnesss to an impact" is pure guff. And that many witnesses have been contacted since and the labels that have been placed on them through online media snippets (which is a flawed approach to assessing witness testimony) usually contradict what they actually described.

The witnesses overwhelmingly contradict what the alleged RADES and FDR data showed.

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by mudlark

"Outdated" as in the much quoted figure of "104 witnesss to an impact" is pure guff. And that many witnesses have been contacted since and the labels that have been placed on them through online media snippets (which is a flawed approach to assessing witness testimony) usually contradict what they actually described.

The witnesses overwhelmingly contradict what the alleged RADES and FDR data showed.

Witnesses match the RADAR, multiple RADAR sites, and the FDR. Some describe the erratic bank angle seen in the FDR. Wow, you are spreading lies about 911. Why? I like the ones who describe the engine noise, as the throttles are moved to the fire-wall.

Nonsense is what you have, backed up with pure guff.

FDR, RADAR and DNA prove the witnesses who said 77 impacted the Pentagon, are all correct. 100 percent right. Leaves you with woo.

Did Gravy make you look bad? Are you spreading lies to discredit Gravy?

[cjnewson88]

Mark know 9/11 witness testimonies better than anyone else on this planet. Mudlark's cherry picking is proof he(Mudlark) clearly does not.

For you Mudlark;

http://therightbloggerbastard.blogsp...-pentagon.html

Everything you need to show you Flight 77 hit the Pentagon

[geggy]

Evidence used to make a case for war in Afghanistan which took place only one month after the attacks were circumstinal at best. Most of the points talked about bin Ladens relationships with Taliban and al Qaeda, al Qaeda's philosophy and their past attacks. None of the evidence presented by Tony Blair showed they're were directedly involved.

https://web.archive.org/web/20060908...t/page3682.asp