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17th October 2013, 08:08 AM | #401 |
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Actually, a lot of people have their 9/11 memories wrong. Many claim to have seen the second plane hit the building live on TV, when it's impossible that they did. Because it wasn't broadcast live in the first place.
Also, Bush also went to war over Iraq's alleged WMDs. You remember when they found those, right? |
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19th October 2013, 07:22 AM | #404 |
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Been a full week, still waiting for SoG to crawl out of his hole and do what he said he would do. Anyone want to place bets on his return?
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19th October 2013, 08:19 AM | #405 |
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Can we change the title to. "I'm Just Going to Regurgitate Stuff I'm too Lazy To Fact Check"?
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20th October 2013, 09:00 AM | #409 |
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5th November 2013, 12:39 AM | #410 |
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Nor do you tiger....but this reporter, on the scene, on the day, has a testimony that you should attempt to refute....sport.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcWT2lQszEE |
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What's to refute? He says a plane didn't crash near the Pentagon, it crashed into the Pentagon. Sort of like Flounder and Dean Wormer.
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6th November 2013, 01:19 AM | #426 |
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Jay the reporter opens with:
"From my close up inspection there is no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon" He goes on to report: The only pieces left that you can see are small enough that you can pick up in your hand" No fusalage, no wings, no seats, no luggage....and the impact only partially demolished the building but destroyed documents and people that could shed some light on the trillions missing that Rumsfeld talked about the day before 9/11.......Funny that. |
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Bit harsh mate, I would prefer to be swayed to the "company" line....but I just do not see it.
I have given you at the scene footage of firefighters, reporters, civillians and Rudi Giuliani all reporting ongoing explosions on the lower flooors of WTC buildings, a President who makes up a story about having seen the plane crash on a TV at the school. Three historic firsts in regard to high rise's falling into their own footprint due to fires. I will take the first hand on the scene testimony over anything you lot have to say...you and I were not there, these people were. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/cutter.html Tis amazing that on the day we, the viewers heard reports of explosions continually from the live news feed....then after the fact....all explosions gone..... |
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Here is an experiment for you Trav...
Dive a plane that is is 155 feet long, with a wingspan of 125 feet, a tail height of 44 feet into a crater of about 40 feet across and 25 feet wide and make it completely disapear. This testimony from those who were there: Bob Weaver, the ranking Pennsylvania state trooper at the crash site, recalled: "I was totally amazed that this big plane was just swallowed up in the ground. ... It took a while for it to sink in that there was an airplane in there." Jon Meyer, the first reporter on the scene, said he was "able to get right up to the edge of the crater" where Flight 93 supposedly hit the ground. "All I saw was a crater filled with small, charred plane parts. Nothing that would even tell you that it was the plane. ... There were no suitcases, no recognizable plane parts, no body parts." Local coroner Wallace Miller, who was also one of the first people to arrive, said the crater looked "like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch, and dumped all this trash into it, I didn't see anything resembling a crash site." Don't refute me sport, refute the eye witnesses. |
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The figures cited are just those of the central crater. There were trenches off the sides of that crater that match the length and dihedral of the wings of an airliner of the appropriate size and a smaller trench appropriately-angled and the right size to indicated the strike of the vertical stabilizer of an aircraft in slight banking attitude.
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Calling it as I see it. How about if you answer a question, and your answer is either wrong or irrelevant? Will you admit that it is?
To wit: read carefully for spelling and meaning differences, the following question. Answer as honestly as possible: Do explosions equal explosives? |
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6th November 2013, 05:45 AM | #436 |
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OK, so Officer Weaver acknowledges there was an aircraft in that hole. What is there to refute or rebutt?
What Truthers never seem to grasp is that the vast majority of aircraft crashes - the kind we are all familiar with seeing on the evening news - happen during take-off and landing where the aircraft is moving relatively slowly and the impact angle is shallow. This is what people are accustomed to seeing in a "typical" airplane crash: http://en.ria.ru/images/16159/50/161595036.jpg Nothing about the crash of Flight 93 was "typical". It flew nose-first into the ground at 563mph, it didn't skim along the ground at 180mph. Of course there isn't going to be large pieces of easily recognizable aircraft left.
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How about you refute Michael and Linda Sheply, both of whom watched Flight 93 crash into the ground: http://www.post-gazette.com/region/2...s/201109040312 Lt. Weaver and Wallace Miller are both quoted in there too and they very clearly believe Shanksville was the crash site of Flight 93. Refute that! Or better yet, skip this latest derail attempt and stop avoiding the questions posed to you nearly a month ago. Or at the very least if you are going to derail please provide a comprehensive, evidence-based hypothesis for what you really think happened to Flight 93, the people on board and in Shanksville, how Larry Silverstein planned it all - and please show your work. So far you are off to a rough start by providing 3 witnesses who clearly believe and support "the official story". That you can't see they support it and not you is at least a bit disturbing. |
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So when a reporter uses a little hyperbole you assume he means it literally. Good to know.
He states fairly succinctly that there are aircraft parts, and that the aircraft went INTO the building. But let's say that you are correct, no large Boeing into the Pentagon. Tell me your scenario that gets aircraft parts, some fairly large, into the building. What gets human bodies in there. How does the FDR materialize? Let's see your scenario , as detailed as possible. Remember the questions, who, what, when, where, how. As best as you can, have at it. |
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