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5th December 2013, 07:49 PM | #561 |
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So I'm going to tell you what the facts are, and the facts are the facts, but then we know the truth. That always overcomes facts. |
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5th December 2013, 09:18 PM | #563 |
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Was that a chunk of cheese, or a bowl to keep the floor clean?
The "23.99999999 hard facts" would be perfect in AAH. http://www.collective-evolution.com/...t-be-debunked/
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8th December 2013, 10:43 PM | #565 |
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Why don't you guys take me up on a challenge if you think aluminum will shear steel.
We have a fight to the death. You get an aluminum sword and I get a steel one. |
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9th December 2013, 05:33 AM | #569 |
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9th December 2013, 06:43 AM | #570 |
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How many straws of wheat embedded in tree trunks after a tornado does one need to see to realize that indio007's arguments are ridiculous?
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9th December 2013, 06:46 AM | #571 |
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Or silhouettes of Japanese Zeros in the flanks of warships?
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9th December 2013, 06:52 AM | #572 |
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9th December 2013, 06:55 AM | #573 |
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isn't it a strawman argument?
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9th December 2013, 06:58 AM | #574 |
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Wow, last time it was silly stuff about jet fuel, now...
What we have here, is a failure to comprehend MASS, like the m in E=mgh, or E=1/2mv2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM9FeEgI0Eo Next... Where have you been? Recharging woo batteries? You can't be serious, because 911 truth failed out of the box, never have got the Pulitzer for what would be the biggest CT in history - 911 truth ends up being the biggest anti-intellectual movement in the world. Tied with Bigfoot, and some other dumbed down junk. Oops, I can cut steel with water, why do I need expensive Aluminum to do that comes free? Can you explain this using science instead of woo? No? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPYwrFwQrN4 You lost this round to science, and my new water jet sword of knowledge, truth, and the American super apple pie, and the girl next-door. Oops, my other sword of Aluminum, comes with Titanium engines, stainless steel struts, and mass moving at 590 mph. Now you hold that steel sword real still while your fantasy from 911 truth evaporates faster than free-fall, with super secret nano-thermite icing and silent explosives sprinkles. Y'all come back now, y'hear |
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9th December 2013, 09:36 AM | #578 |
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Forgive me - I am in recovery from an attack of Pneumonia! But I listened to an amazing procession of looney tunes on one of the wee small hour phone-in radio stations here recently.
The outstanding winner the this contest of stupid promotions was a guy that latched on to the Pentagon Attack - proclaiming it to be a Cruise Missile ( how could it be anything else? ) I reckon that the guy is still ranting down the phone days after the radio anchor hung up. Why are Cruise Missiles so popular with C.T.'s ? Are they seen as the modern equivalent of smiting thunderbolts? Doesn't matter how they work - they can wreck what ever effect I say they can? Seems passing strange to me, when they seem to have so much trouble with a large airliner doing the obvious damage - consistent with size and mass - whereas any kind of small missile would need a substantial secondary explosive. |
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I am in possession of a Cruz Missile. It is a heat and moisture seeking missile of luv for Penelope Cruz. I have attributed many attributes to it including size, stamina, and excessive blast features.
Unfortunately there is a countermeasure that renders it useless...Ted Cruz. |
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Really? About 3000 people died on 9/11 and this is all the respect you can muster for this topic? Do you not think something as tragic and serious as 9/11 deserves just a bit more effort? If you want to make 9/11 you "thing", fine. You should show to topic enough respect to come up with something a bit better than this. What you posted is shameful.
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9th December 2013, 12:48 PM | #582 |
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your analogy fails. Obviously a puncture is not a shear.
This comparison is almost as ignorant as the one proceeding it that implies the physics of a collision are dependant on which object is in motion. The WTC could have been the object in motion and the plane stationary, the it would be identical. The ignorance of the most basic physics is just plain scary. Craig4 - spare me the fake indignation. Pull the respect card on someone else. People were murdered. Hurt feelings don't apply. |
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Well in the real world "puncturing" is a result of a shear force.
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9th December 2013, 01:03 PM | #585 |
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That is not physics, it is woo. Hard to make more fun of 911 truth, but you do.
Love to see the WTC tower at 590 mph. No wonder Karate does not work, the hand can't break the wood, or concrete. I knew it was fake; wait, maybe you are... Feel free to show your work, some math and physics. So far your parody of 911 truth has been limited to silly talk, no evidence, and zero science. How are those 24 hard facts doing? All of them are nonsense. |
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Fine. BTW your orginal proposal does not accurately reflect waht anyone here is saying would occur. So I propose a different test for you since you are so convinced of the indestructibilty of steel.
You get to hold your sword perfectly still (or lock it in a vise but stand next to it) while a machine swings the aluminum sword at 500 MPH.(technically the sword should be restrained at both ends in order to better reflect the conditions in the towers) I propose that both swords will be cut and that pieces of the aluminum sword will continue forward and slice into you. accept the challenge? |
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In fact a small stream of molten copper moving at supersonic speed is often used to cut through steel.
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9th December 2013, 02:30 PM | #592 |
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What is your point, birds do fly, WTC towers don't, and can't. In Karate, do you want the wood thrown at you at 200 mph, or you hit it stationary and break it with your hand. Your pick. Go ahead make up something silly.
Irony. Bird damages Aluminum plane. Aluminum plane damages Steel building. I don't think 911 truth knows how strong Al is. And now they imply the WTC could get up to 590 mph to hit a plane. It is like a cartoon, 911 truth physics. Not sure 911 truth followers, true believes of 911 truth woo understand physics. By saying bird beats Aluminum, you are thus supporting Aluminum beats steel Flesh and blood break into an aircraft. An aircraft made of metal beaks into a building. Do you try to make up analogies which destroy your analogy of woo? Do you really want to use a bird damaging a plane as an analogy to prove a plane can't damage a building? I have hit birds which did not enter my plane. It depends of the speed and the path of the bird. 911 the planes entering the WTC is based on speed. Speeds below 280 mph would be stopped, speeds at 470 and 590 mph are not stopped. IF 911 truth could do engineering, there would be no 911 truth spreading dirt dumb lies and silly fantasy. They have a bird cannon, and they do test aircraft parts with birds going 500 mph. 911 truth, eternal nonsense. http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/site..._the_week.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc-zmb3jAgo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCQ2oZtVNpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibJ3aXrvaCs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohnzZ-Xp-uY 911 truth, no science, just woo |
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Why would you shoot with birds at 500mph rather than at their best speed? I would imagine a stationary plane would resist a birds impact better than one in motion as the combined speed adds up in collision.
How comes you can make so many links in one post so quickly? It must be these super computers they are giving you for Christmas. Can I become a disinfo agent? |
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9th December 2013, 03:58 PM | #594 |
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I don't deny that a fast Boeing possibly could smash through a steel wall made of 1/2 in thick columns inclusive of wings. The analogy with copper or water jets are not quite good since the water comes as one stream while the plane is cladded with aluminium and this aluminium is very fragile in contact with birds. I would like to see what happens with a can of coke smashed at 500 mph against a steel crated window. That would give as better analogy. I don't have airport machines but I like beer and may supply chickens if need be.
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Planes get dented or suffer small holes in bird strikes. The birds die from the plane transferring it's energy to the bird. Planes get destroyed while transferring their energy to a steel structure. The steel structure gets damaged. In the case of the WTC, the structure was compromised enough by said damage and subsequent fire that it failed. Now, that wasn't hard, was it? |
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Do you have a better idea? You need to scale down the dimensions of course, the rest can be adjusted as best as possible. The can will be filled with fuel. All we need is the machine beachnut is talking about and you are free to start smashing stuff around. I bet the can will go through but the explosion will be on contact, contrary to the videos, rather than kind of sucked in. We will need a fast camera too and more beers.
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