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14th December 2013, 12:28 PM | #641 |
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you are playing a smartass here. You know very well that the impact can not be realistically explored since you need a real tower and a real plane. Even if it was possible the person doing the exploring would be legit only to himself and no one else.
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14th December 2013, 01:37 PM | #645 |
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It is necessary to construct replicas of the twin tower at any expense, the procure replicas of the aircraft involved, populate them with credible simulcrams of the dead, install remote guidance hardware and software which said aircraft are ill equipped to take, and at the end of such an expenditure of effort and money, you would still find some reason to nitpick and whinge.
Let us be honest here. You have a religious belief in 911truth. There is nothing anyone could do to change it, and it is pointless to say why you are wrong. You are wrong BTW. If you want. Sure. No problem. Pony up the moolah. Put your money where your mouth is. Or is it that you prefer to hide behind requirements that are so unattainable as to be forever out of reach? Is that not what you are really about? Putting the burden of proof beyond any possibility of demonstration? That is what you want, right? You have just posted that you require the twin towers to be rebuilt somewhere, and a couple of Boeings flown into them just to satisfy your conceit, right? Have you that little in your life? |
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14th December 2013, 01:59 PM | #646 |
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I wasn't talking about myself. just coming with some ideas how to crank up the sheeple. You do your best and what do you get for it
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14th December 2013, 02:18 PM | #648 |
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911 truth makes up fantasy, and then want a new investigation to explain the fantasy. They need to sign up for a visit do the psychiatrist who can explain why they are so darn gullible, and help them think for themselves using reality based research, sound judgment, and knowledge.
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Wait,,,what? We need a new investigation to find out why a ridiculously complicated, utterly stupid plan was carried out by persons unknown?
That itself is utterly ridiculous and stupid. |
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14th December 2013, 03:41 PM | #654 |
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Carnies and rubes.... Three words to describe the TM. Especially this late in the game.
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No one really. Outside of a few people on internet sites, no one is actually actively countering this non-sense. Fact is, no one is paying you any attention. A "sheeple" is a group you made up to explain why "truthers" have so little support. You need something to explain why everyone doesn't agree with you. Simple really. Sorry if this is too blunt. |
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14th December 2013, 05:32 PM | #662 |
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There is no Bush line. We have reality of 19 murderers who did 911, and we have idiotic claims by 911 truth.
The anomalies are due to 911 truth followers' extreme ignorance on relevant subjects and issues. Kind of sums up all 911 truth claims, nonsenses based on ignorance, lie, and no evidence. 911 truth 12 years of failure, 100 percent wrong. Which failed 24 hard fact is your favorite? Why have all 24 failed. |
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Quote mining evasion noted.
My full statement was obviously too good for your ability to respond. I'm not bad at explaining the forensic physics of the collapses to honest persons genuinely seeking the truth. Clearly you do not qualify. I'll stand by my statements - briefly summarised as: "It is easier to explain what actually happened than it is to demonstrate using physical models." I understand why any dishonest "truther" would want discussion down a dead end path. "Remember that the goal of conspiracy rhetoric is to bog down the discussion, not to make progress toward a solution" Jay Windley ...especially when they see defeat looming ahead. |
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You will be providing evidence to contradict it, soon?
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What is it with truthers and not understanding the square-cube law as it relates to scale models?
Not painted. Applied in an X micron layer to structural members. Hence the term "cargo cult science". I use the computer so much I just tried it one day and found I could touch type. |
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14th December 2013, 11:44 PM | #668 |
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Just so people know, because it's very important, I was joking about the missing part in Mark F's satire. Or, rather, I was perfectly serious in trying to add to the satire. The "that's why we need a new investigation" line is commonly used by truthers when pressed with problems in their own account.
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Well this is true, however the particular "first" over which they are typically ranting is the canard "first time in history a steel framed building collapsed from fire."
That's something I've noticed with Truthers (over other CT), they rarely come out and say what they mean. They love to insinuate their POV. You'll never have one simply explain, "Since X, I therefore believe Y to be true." It's always; Truther: "It fell into its own footprint." Normal Person: "What do you think that means?" Truther: "IT FELL INTO ITS OWN FOOTPRINT!" Normal Person" "Yes, I heard you but what do you think that means?" Truther" "Paid shill!" |
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But people like you made up the anomalies dishonestly. There were no anomalies until you lied and said there were. The lunacy about there being no planes, and the nonsense about buildings rigged with explosives. You made up inconsistencies and now you want an investigation into the things you made up. All you've done is turn a massive tragedy into a meaningless hobby. You don't even have the decency to learn some basic facts about the science or the event. This topic deserves better than you.
Now, do like I told you to and tell us everything the coroner said. Failing to do that for this long smacks of intellectual cowardice. |
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Why not use a real boeing jet and fly it into the BOK Tower in Tulsa?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOK_Tower It was designed by the same company as the Twin Towers and shares many design features. I don't think the owners or the city would mind as it would be destroyed in the name of twoofer science. |
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15th December 2013, 12:54 PM | #675 |
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There is so many hacks in conspiracy rhetoric that mentioning one is futile.
Models are not the best representation, still they may help to establish principles. Lets take the top down collapse proposition from 911. It would be easier to accept it if you came with a model which is used in the real world that collapses top down When something happens for the first time, surely it should be possible to repeat it or at least propose a principle of how could it could be done again while adjusting cube square law to make it work on models. Even nuclear bombs have their equivalents in working models. |
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but not in a rapid succession unless made on purpose, which kind of closes the loop? You employ physicists to make every incident very hard to vindicate, and then run all through a conventional Hollywood script. I watched recently a film where two men, one poor, another rich were screwed up on purpose in the way that the poor black guy seemingly accidentally stumbled on plenty of money while the rich dude was made very poor and thrown out into the street. The bet was whether the black dude could stay rich and the one who lost his money could put himself back together.The bet was for 1 dollar.
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Too bad 911 truth can't do the math and physics to avoid spreading lies like CD and thermite. 911 truth only exists due to the ignorance of 911 truth disciples, and the fantasy claim they have overwhelming evidence.
911 truth has no evidence, and 911 truth followers don't know it. Is one of the 24 hard facts 911 truth does not have about models? Or are you lost in off topic woo-land? http://www.collective-evolution.com/...t-be-debunked/ Check it out. The lies from a failed journalist, so dumb poor Joe has no clue he is posting woo. Sorry, models are not in the 24 hard facts fantasy stuff. But 911 truth, and yourself prove you don't understand models, math, and physics. Which is your favorite "hard fact" from the real topic, like the OP, which is based on this junk? http://www.collective-evolution.com/...t-be-debunked/ |
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