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Old 19th May 2016, 11:20 PM   #2561
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Originally Posted by ProBonoShill View Post
Steel doesn't do well in fire, especially when it's unfought. This is like 3rd grade level science. I mean if you have evidence steel strengthens during a fire please post it.
Then certainly it should be a breeze to come up with a specific progressive collapse theory that involves typical weakening steel rather than thermal expansion?
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Old 20th May 2016, 03:11 AM   #2562
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
There was no basis at 11 AM, 12 PM, or 1 PM to say that WTC 7 would collapse. If operations were abandoned due to the danger of the actual fire, that wouldn't be suspicious, but it wasn't. The collapse zone was made because a person identified as an engineer from the Office of Emergency Management told them that it would collapse in five or six hours, which lead to the fire chiefs making the decision to pull away.



Having the firefighters avoid WTC 7 like the plague would prevent them from figuring out a way to extinguish the fires, such as recharging the sprinkler system by connecting a water line to the siamese fittings.




Because of course you have to find a motive for a crime before you begin investigating it.



Stage 1: http://i.imgur.com/gXi2bmF.gifv

Stage 2: Some time between 10:30 AM and 12:00 PM, person(s) sneak in to WTC 7 to set fires on separate floors.

Stage 3: "Engineer" tells fire chiefs that WTC 7 is in danger of collapse.

Stage 4: http://i.imgur.com/n5lqQ70.gifv

Of course, I'm not saying there's any way to know this is how it would go down.
Two other buildings collapsed that day from fire, all that was nessisary was to determine rate of Creep change to give an estimate of when the leaning bulging building would reach the critical loading to collapse!
An engineering professional used his knowledge to save lives, and dimwitted Truthers call him a mass murderer, stupid is as stupid does and that is just stupid.
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Old 20th May 2016, 03:31 AM   #2563
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Originally Posted by FalseFlag View Post
You seem fixated with 6 seconds.
It was your assertion.
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Old 20th May 2016, 03:40 AM   #2564
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
There was no basis at 11 AM, 12 PM, or 1 PM to say that WTC 7 would collapse.
Source of this claim?
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Old 20th May 2016, 04:36 AM   #2565
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Originally Posted by DGM View Post
Source of this claim?

Logical deduction.

A new investigation must be completed before any credible statement about the collapse of a building can be made.

As soon as any investigation is completed, it is no longer a new investigation.

Therefore, no investigation can be completed and new simultaneously.

Therefore, a completed new investigation cannot occur.

Therefore, no statement about the collapse of a building can ever be credible.

A prediction of the impending collapse of a compromised burning building would be a credible statement about the collapse of a building, if there were basis for such prediction.

Therefore, any such prediction must have had no basis.
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Old 20th May 2016, 05:02 AM   #2566
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Originally Posted by Myriad View Post
Logical deduction.

A new investigation must be completed before any credible statement about the collapse of a building can be made.

As soon as any investigation is completed, it is no longer a new investigation.

Therefore, no investigation can be completed and new simultaneously.

Therefore, a completed new investigation cannot occur.

Therefore, no statement about the collapse of a building can ever be credible.

A prediction of the impending collapse of a compromised burning building would be a credible statement about the collapse of a building, if there were basis for such prediction.

Therefore, any such prediction must have had no basis.
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the ears, as it is sucked into an intellectual singularity, black hole, in between those said ears.

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Old 20th May 2016, 05:38 AM   #2567
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
There was no basis at 11 AM, 12 PM, or 1 PM to say that WTC 7 would collapse. If operations were abandoned due to the danger of the actual fire, that wouldn't be suspicious, but it wasn't. The collapse zone was made because a person identified as an engineer from the Office of Emergency Management told them that it would collapse in five or six hours, which lead to the fire chiefs making the decision to pull away.
Says who?

You didn't answer my question, was the fire and area around WTC 7 dangerous or not?

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Having the firefighters avoid WTC 7 like the plague would prevent them from figuring out a way to extinguish the fires, such as recharging the sprinkler system by connecting a water line to the siamese fittings.
Why would they want firefighters to "avoid WTC 7 like the plague" when they have murder on their mind. Wouldn't they want them in the building when it collapsed to add to the death toll. You're not making any sense?

Where would they find this water line, please explain?

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Because of course you have to find a motive for a crime before you begin investigating it.
That didn't answer my questions at all.

Again:

Well list a few, I'd like to hear a plausible explanation on why a group you claim wanted murder thousands of it's fellow citizens waited 7 hours and ended up killing not a single person.

Does that sound rational to you?



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Stage 1: http://i.imgur.com/gXi2bmF.gifv

Stage 2: Some time between 10:30 AM and 12:00 PM, person(s) sneak in to WTC 7 to set fires on separate floors.

Stage 3: "Engineer" tells fire chiefs that WTC 7 is in danger of collapse.

Stage 4: http://i.imgur.com/n5lqQ70.gifv

Of course, I'm not saying there's any way to know this is how it would go down
Ahhh so you're just trolling and have no evidence. No wonder more people now believe in BigFoot than the idiocy of 9/11 truth. Good job! You'll have that new investigation in no time!
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Old 20th May 2016, 05:42 AM   #2568
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
Then certainly it should be a breeze to come up with a specific progressive collapse theory that involves typical weakening steel rather than thermal expansion?
You think thermal expansion strengthens steel?

Can't wait for your explanation. Give it to us please.

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Old 20th May 2016, 05:44 AM   #2569
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Originally Posted by ProBonoShill View Post
Okay so cutter charges weren't used and thermite wasn't used, what substance brought down the towers then? Did this substance bring down all three towers and the other buildings that collapsed that day or just the WTC 1, 2 and 7?



Iron microspheres are present in a lot of situations.

What exotic accelerant? Does it have a name?

Was this exotic accelerant the cause of the explosion heard in the Ashley Banfield video you posted?
And still waiting micah...

You do know people can read and see you're avoiding questions right?
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Old 20th May 2016, 06:19 AM   #2570
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One thing these discussions always tend fo overlook is that the "thermal expansion" and "fire" issues were collapse initiation mechanisms. The collapses were divided into two phases., not one. The dominant mechanisms in collapse progression were not the same as the ones involved in initiation.

Its a shame that we are repeating the drawn out discussions where the "skeptics" questioning the collapse events seem to have binary thinking on how many factors were involved
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Old 20th May 2016, 06:23 AM   #2571
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
Explosive devices designed to rip through solid steel are probably factored out. They are too loud and they leave obvious damage on the steel which was not noticed or seen in photographs.

As for "shrapnel", a while back I gave some examples of shrapnel injuries by WTC victims/survivors.
What were charges needed for if not to cut through solid steel?
If you factor them out then where were the charges?
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Old 20th May 2016, 06:31 AM   #2572
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
The only evidence for anything other than a few pockets of fire on a few floors are firefighter's witness accounts, many of which erroneously described the smoke sticking to the south face as "all 47 floors engulfed in fire".
Firefighters at the scene don't know how big the fire was that they were there to fight?
Were they incompetent or liers.
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Old 20th May 2016, 06:39 AM   #2573
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Having the firefighters avoid WTC 7 like the plague would prevent them from figuring out a way to extinguish the fires, such as recharging the sprinkler system by connecting a water line to the siamese fittings.*
Where would the water come from?
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Old 20th May 2016, 08:04 AM   #2574
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
Half-truth. After ELEVEN HOURS OF RAGING FIRES, an engineer on the scene said that maybe there was danger of collapse. He did not say that it would collapse and he did not try predicting when it would collapse. It did not collapse. The building remained standing as a charred skeleton.



So, interior structural steel slowly and gradually sagged without sudden catastrophic failure? That's nice.
They were putting water on the fire from other buildings, saved it....

One Meridian Plaza totaled by fire, just like WTC 1,2,3,4,5,6,7... fire did it, 9/11 truth can't figure it out - Hint: 19 terrorists did 9/11, no one else. 9/11 truth lies - what a great movement.

Oops, you mock the murder of thousands with no evidence for the delusional CD fantasy. I thought 19 terrorists were gullible, then we have those who believe in 9/11 truth, those who need a new investigation based on some fantasy - the fringe few, the gullible, 9/11 truth.

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I've heard this one before, those quotes are describing human bodies hitting the ground!

Oh wait, that's not funny at all.
And it is sad you posted the lies from this paper.
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Adam Taylor lies to you, you are easy to fool, or what? He includes simile as his proof for explosives, yet you and Adam Taylor can't produce any steel which was subjected to explosives. Adam posts photos of steel damaged by the collapse, and lies, saying they look like explosives did it - and he is a... a failed writer. Why are you fooled by his lies?

You post a failed paper, and never retracted the lies it has. Why?

Adam Taylor uses simile for proof of explosives; thus a body hitting the ground sounds like an explosion; for Adam, this is proof of explosives. You guys lie to support some fantasy world.

Here is the problem with Adam's pathetic work, he uses the bodies hitting things as proof for explosives, and you have no clue he is a liar. Why do you put up with liars and believe them blindly? Is this another in the idiotic conspiracy theories you have from JFK, RFK, OKC, and 9/11... do you have more. Chemtrails? What makes you fall for the "new investigation" nonsense. You don't understand fires not fought, and how steel fails. Thermal expansion has you confused? You referred to One Meridian Plaza which had thermal expansion damage. oops - and you failed to mention One Meridian Plaza did not have a big hole in it...
lol, you said One Meridian Plaza burned for hours, whereas WTC complex fires burned for weeks. Try to match that with your woo and limited Gish Gallop. You ignore the biggest office fires in history with steel stripped of fire protection, and fall for the lies of 9/11 truth.

Adam Taylor uses "sounded like" as proof of CD. He waves his hands enough to achieve LEO, and declares CD/Explosives without evidence. Now that is gullible on anyone's part to cite Adam's work of woo, which cites his other work of woo, and other idiots in 9/11 truth failed papers. https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/whattheyheard
9/11 truth believers share shallow or no research. A movement that uses quote mining to form fake evidence.

9/11 truth believers have the problem of not reading and studying the BS they post as reference for driving their need for a new investigation. You posted Adam's work which does not support his conclusion of explosives. You don't read and comprehend the nonsense which fools you into needed a new investigation, and believing CD. The papers 9/11 truth believers like you post, are self-debunking, you failed to fool references and check the evidence; it turns out the evidence is made up claptrap.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...83&postcount=1

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Why waste my time?
You're wasting your time already - so what's the difference?

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Old 20th May 2016, 04:54 PM   #2576
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Originally Posted by ProBonoShill
Please provide a video that mimics what is seen here on a real CD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6n7AG2YJ-I

Though hundreds of videos exist showing the collapse of WTC 7, not a single solitary truther has ever been able to provide one, why don't you be the first.
Collapse or Explosion? A Discussion of the WTC “Sounds of Explosions” Issue by Adam Taylor
Adam Taylor?
Adam f****** Taylor???

You just refuse to learn.

Everything that’s gone wrong in your screwed up version of reality is due to the fact that you give credence to the opinions of amateurs and ignore professionals.

I gave you a link to an elaborate report by Brent Blanchard, Operations Manager for Protec, a company that performs seismic monitoring services for explosive demolitions companies. An expert in the field of "seismic recordings of controlled demolitions".

That company had seismic sensors strewn around Manhattan on 9/11/01.

Blanchard wrote up a detailed analysis on why NO explosive demolitions could possibly have happened on 9/11 and avoided being recorded on his seismometers.

Your response: Silence.
Not one word. You didn’t even bother to read the report from an expert on the topic that you keep screwing up, did you.

Now, you come back with … Adam Taylor.

Let me introduce you to the clueless moron that is Adam Taylor:
From AE911T:



Originally Posted by Adam Taylor
Currently a university student. Am not a huge science expert, but have a basic understanding of physics, especially Newton's Laws of Motion.
I can assure you, Micah, that he has NO CLUE about any aspect of Newton’s Laws of Motion.
I DO know them. I taught them (& a lot more) to college engineering students.

Apparently he studied liberal arts & political science, and now works in “business services”.
In other words, he is 100% clueless about structural engineering, physics, building collapse … or any pertinent 9/11 field of study.

He has ZERO knowledge of any aspect of engineering.
He wrote a 5 part series that he claims “debunks” the Popular Mechanics “Debunking 9/11 Myths”.

The Popular Mechanics staff are EXPERTS in “writing fact based technical articles”. That’s what they do for a living. That’s what they get paid for.
Every one of the people listed below is an expert in the specific field of the questions which Popular Mechanics posed to them.
Popular Mechanics depended on the opinions of ZERO amateurs.

Let’s look at the references used by Popular Mechanics for their article:

From the 2006 book
2006 edition

"To investigate 16 of the most prevalent claims made by conspiracy theorists, POPULAR MECHANICS assembled a team of nine researchers and reporters who, together with PM editors, consulted more than 70 professionals in fields that form the core content of this magazine, including aviation, engineering and the military.”

Sources:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/mili...myths-sources/

Air Crash Analysis
Cleveland Center regional air traffic control
Bill Crowley special agent, FBI
Ron Dokell president, Demolition Consultants
Richard Gazarik staff writer, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
Yates Gladwell pilot, VF Corp.
Michael K. Hynes, Ed.D. ATP, CFI, A&P/IA president, Hynes Aviation Services; expert, aviation crashes
Ed Jacoby Jr. director, New York State Emergency Management Office (Ret.); chairman, New York State Disaster Preparedness Commission (Ret.)
Johnstown-Cambria County Airport Authority
Cindi Lash staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Matthew McCormick manager, survival factors division, National Transportation Safety Board (Ret.)
Wallace Miller coroner, Somerset County, PA
Robert Nagan meteorological technician, Climate Services Branch, National Climatic Data Center
Dave Newell director, aviation and travel, VF Corp.
James O'Toole politics editor, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Pennsylvania State Police Public Information Office
Jeff Pillets senior writer, The Record, Hackensack, NJ
Jeff Rienbold director, Flight 93 National Memorial, National Park Service
Dennis Roddy staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Master Sgt. David Somdahl public affairs officer, 119th Wing, North Dakota Air National Guard
Mark Stahl photographer; eyewitness, United Airlines Flight 93 crash scene

Air Defense
Lt. Col. Skip Aldous (Ret.) squadron commander, U.S. Air Force
Tech. Sgt. Laura Bosco public affairs officer, Tyndall Air Force Base
Boston Center regional air traffic control
Laura Brown spokeswoman, Federal Aviation Administration
Todd Curtis, Ph.D. founder, Airsafe.com; president, Airsafe.com Foundation
Keith Halloway public affairs officer, National Transportation Safety Board
Ted Lopatkiewicz director, public affairs, National Transportation Safety Board
Maj. Douglas Martin public affairs officer, North American Aerospace Defense Command
Lt. Herbert McConnell public affairs officer, Andrews AFB
Michael Perini public affairs officer, North American Aerospace Defense Command
John Pike director, GlobalSecurity.org
Hank Price spokesman, Federal Aviation Administration
Warren Robak RAND Corp.
Bill Shumann spokesman, Federal Aviation Administration
Louis Walsh public affairs officer, Eglin AFB
Chris Yates aviation security editor, analyst, Jane's Transport

Aviation
Fred E.C. Culick, Ph.D., S.B., S.M. professor of aeronautics, California Institute of Technology
Clint Oster professor of public and environmental affairs, Indiana University; aviation safety expert
Capt. Bill Scott (Ret. USAF) Rocky Mountain bureau chief, Aviation Week
Bill Uher News Media Office, NASA Langley Research Center
Col. Ed Walby (Ret. USAF) director, business development, HALE Systems Enterprise, Unmanned Systems, Northrop Grumman

Image Analysis
William F. Baker member, FEMA Probe Team; partner, Skidmore, Owings, Merrill
W. Gene Corley, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. senior vice president, CTL Group; director, FEMA Probe Team
Bill Daly senior vice president, Control Risks Group
Steve Douglass image analysis consultant, Aviation Week
Thomas R. Edwards, Ph.D. founder, TREC; video forensics expert.
Ronald Greeley, Ph.D. professor of geology, Arizona State University
Rob Howard freelance photographer; WTC eyewitness
Robert L. Parker, Ph.D. professor of geophysics, University of California, San Diego

Structural Engineering / Building Collapse
Farid Alfawakhiri, Ph.D. senior engineer, American Institute of Steel Construction
David Biggs, P.E. structural engineer, Ryan-Biggs Associates; member, ASCE team for FEMA report
Robert Clarke structural engineer, Controlled Demolitions Group Ltd.
Glenn Corbett technical editor, Fire Engineering; member, NIST advisory committee
Vincent Dunn deputy fire chief (Ret.), FDNY; author, The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety
John Fisher, Ph.D. professor of civil engineering, Lehigh University; professor emeritus, Center for Advanced Technology; ember, FEMA Probe Team
Ken Hays executive vice president, Masonry Arts
Christoph Hoffmann, Ph.D. professor of computer science, Purdue University;
project director, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University
Allyn E. Kilsheimer, P.E. CEO, KCE Structural Engineers PC; chief structural engineer, Phoenix project; expert in blast recovery, concrete structures, emergency response
Won-Young Kim, Ph.D. seismologist, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Columbia University
William Koplitz photo desk manager, FEMA
John Labriola freelance photographer, WTC survivor
Arthur Lerner-Lam, Ph.D. seismologist; director, Earth Institute, Center for Hazards and Risk Research, Columbia University
James Quintiere, Ph.D. professor of engineering, University of Maryland member, NIST advisory committee
Steve Riskus freelance photographer; eyewitness, Pentagon crash
Van Romero, Ph.D. vice president, New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology
Christine Shaffer spokesperson, Viracon
Mete Sozen, Ph.D., S.E. Kettelhut Distinguished Professor of Structural Engineering, Purdue University
Shyam Sunder, Sc.D., acting deputy director, lead investigator, Building and Fire Research Laboratory, National Institute of Standards and Technology
Mary Tobin science writer, media relations, Earth Institute, Columbia University
Forman Williams, Ph.D. professor of engineering, physics, combustion, University of California,
San Diego; member, advisory committee, National Institute of Standards and Technology
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We’ve already seen Adam Taylor’s expertise in “writing fact based technical articles”:
He has none.

We’ve seen his expertise in air crash analysis, Air Defense, Aviation, Image Analysis, Structural engineering and building collapse.
He has none. In ANY of those topics.

But he feels qualified to “debunk” the opinions of experts in each of those fields.

So, let’s see the reference that Adam uses:

References for Part 1 of his Series:

i Quoted from: City in the Sky: The Rise and Fall of the World Trade Center by James Glanz and Eric Lipton, pg. 134-136
[James Glanz thinks that 9/11 Twoofers are morons, by the way.]

ii Quoted from: Twin Towers Engineered To Withstand Jet Collision, The Seattle Times
http://community.seattletimes.nwsour...7&slug=1687698
[Taylor doesn’t have the slightest f’king clue what he’s yammering about. I outlined why he is 100% wrong, here.]

iii For more information on the pre-9/11 claims about the Towers’ strength, see:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html

iv The following links provide arguments against the lobby damage being caused by explosives:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/theories/basementbomb.html
http://911review.com/errors/wtc/preimpact.html
http://911review.com/errors/wtc/basementbombs.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/wtc.html#rodriguez
http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/911mysteries/index.html#precollapse_sub_basement_explosions

v The following link provides arguments against the lobby damage being caused by a jet fuel fireball:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtEw4GA_hOg#t=11m24s

vi This paper provides detailed measurements for how much fuel actually remained on the impact floors, and shows that the amount in either Tower was actually quite small in relation to each Tower, much less a single floor:
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/e/VisualizationAidsWTCTowers.pdf
vi iSee: http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/Article_5_118Witnesses_WorldTradeCenter.pdf
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Do you get the picture yet??

Amateurs deluding amateurs.

Amateurs like you.
Deluding amateurs like ... yourself.
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I've told you that I've got >40 years experience as a mechanical engineer.


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I don't believe you.
LMAO.
What on earth deludes you into thinking that I give a rat's ass what you believe?
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Old 20th May 2016, 05:50 PM   #2578
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I simply wouldn't know how to calculate how loud an explosive device would be if it was designed to knock off columns and girders by their welds/joints/bolts, nor how much explosives it would take. Why not ask somebody else?
Gee, maybe, just maybe there are people around who know how to do that calculation.

Maybe some of them have actually already done that calculation.

Perhaps they might have written up & published a report that might tell you this very interesting piece of information.

Perhaps, it turned out that for people 1/2 mile away from the building, it would have been as loud as a cherry bomb going off at your feet.

Perhaps all those videos (or REAL CDs that you refuse to listen to) can NOT give you a real concept of how loud a real CD is, because no computer speakers, even turned up to maximum, can not come CLOSE to the real volume.

Perhaps you need to plug your computer's audio output into a really powerful audio system, and then crank the volume until the blasts are deafening to you, startling to the people next door & you FEEL the percussion in your chest.

Perhaps all the above was a part of that NIST report that you refuse to read...
... so you have time to read all that incompetent ********* written by clueless amateurs.

If only you spent less time listening to clueless amateurs...

Do you see the pattern yet?
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Maybe that OEM engineer used his psychic powers to wish 8 stories away.
Again, you lie to yourself, and then you believe your own lies, and then you lie to others.

The guy that operated the transit worked for the FDNY, not the OEM.

The engineer that the FDNY consulted with, worked for the FNDY, not the OEM.

You lie to yourself.

Then you spread your lies to others.

That's shameful.
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Massive? Your understanding of that word is disappointing. I hope I am not the only person you have disappointed after using that word.
Nope! No massive fire here! It's just smoke from the smoke generators that Larry Silverstein smuggled into WTC 7 and hid away in broom closets!
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By "closest example", I meant a tall steel-framed building on fire that was abandoned due to fear that it might collapse.
Here you go, kiddo. One Meridian Plaza - The fires were so severe that firefighters abandoned interior firefighting efforts. It was probably saved from total collapse when sprinklers on the upper floors kicked in. Nonetheless, the building was totaled and was so unstable it had to be shored up before it was dismantled.
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So firefighters described above cleared the area because the fire was dangerous, but at WTC 7 it wasn't dangerous? Is this the idiocy you're asserting????
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There was no basis at 11 AM, 12 PM, or 1 PM to say that WTC 7 would collapse. If operations were abandoned due to the danger of the actual fire, that wouldn't be suspicious, but it wasn't. The collapse zone was made because a person identified as an engineer from the Office of Emergency Management told them that it would collapse in five or six hours, which lead to the fire chiefs making the decision to pull away.
Here's your problem, MJ: Your opinion doesn't count for anything in a court of law, amongst professionals, or even popular opinion. The opinion of FDNY professionals does. This is the granite wall of reality that Truthers have been smashing their heads against for almost 15 years, and coming off second best every time. How do you propose to change this?

BTW, in your expert non-expert opinion, was there ever a basis for fearing it would collapse?
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Your claim was that destroying documents with a paper shredder would be more likely to lead to suspicion and an investigation than an elaborate arson.
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Important documents suddenly going missing is more suspicious than important documents being lost in the destruction of a building that is assumed to be nothing more than an unpreventable accident.
Here ya go, MJ: Let's assume, ad arguendo, that you are correct, and parse this out logically. If you are correct in your assumptions, the person being protected by total destruction of a building must have been looking at serious jail time. So serious indeed that it amounted to a life sentence and it was worth it to get involved in a mass murder plot and thereby risk execution.

The evidence must have been such that it could not be copied, re-retrieved, or backed up. It must have been known that such evidence actually existed.

The perp could not have had "friends in high places" who could simply have gotten the investigation quashed. Nor could the investigator be bribed or intimidated. Larry Silverstein must have been paid a massive bribe to destroy his own valuable building, unless he did it out of friendship or loyalty. (Helluva friend!)

Certainly any competent investigator could figure out who this is. Go to it! Or are there no competent people in the Truth Movement?
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Adam Taylor?
Adam f****** Taylor???

You just refuse to learn.

Everything that’s gone wrong in your screwed up version of reality is due to the fact that you give credence to the opinions of amateurs and ignore professionals.

I gave you a link to an elaborate report by Brent Blanchard, Operations Manager for Protec, a company that performs seismic monitoring services for explosive demolitions companies. An expert in the field of "seismic recordings of controlled demolitions".

That company had seismic sensors strewn around Manhattan on 9/11/01.

Blanchard wrote up a detailed analysis on why NO explosive demolitions could possibly have happened on 9/11 and avoided being recorded on his seismometers.

Your response: Silence.
Not one word. You didn’t even bother to read the report from an expert on the topic that you keep screwing up, did you.

Now, you come back with … Adam Taylor.

Let me introduce you to the clueless moron that is Adam Taylor:
From AE911T:

https://powerm1985.files.wordpress.c...adam.jpg?w=620


LOL Thanks for that!

I'm sure with Adam Taylor on their side, that new investigation will be here any minute!!!!
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Two other buildings collapsed that day from fire, all that was nessisary was to determine rate of Creep change to give an estimate of when the leaning bulging building would reach the critical loading to collapse!
So you are declaring here that you will no longer accept any explanation WTC 7's collapse that does not directly connect to the slight leaning/creeping that was allegedly measured? Can you please give me some examples in which a transit is used to predict when a building will collapse? Can you explain why this tool could give a misleading measurement, given that perimeter deformation was witnessed that afternoon? Can you please provide a timeline, using any form of evidence, for when this was used compared to when the engineer made his prediction?

You know how you scoff at the troofer meme "I'm just asking questions", with the implication that they have already made up their minds. Well here, I'm literally just asking questions. And if you can't find a way to answer without acting like I'm wasting your time, then why even come here?

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Nope! No massive fire here! It's just smoke from the smoke generators that Larry Silverstein smuggled into WTC 7 and hid away in broom closets!
Redwood, there is no way to know how much smoke on the left picture is coming from WTC 5/6, as well as the picture on the left which shows the smoke that stuck to the south face of WTC 7 and later dissipated.

Are you trying to fool lurkers with misleading pictures?

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Here you go, kiddo. One Meridian Plaza - The fires were so severe that firefighters abandoned interior firefighting efforts. It was probably saved from total collapse when sprinklers on the upper floors kicked in. Nonetheless, the building was totaled and was so unstable it had to be shored up before it was dismantled.
If you read the whole thread, you would know that I have mentioned One Meridian Plaza several times.
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Tfk, Much of Adam Taylor's blog posts are scientifically minded in the sense that they correct false or misleading statements, as well as counter blanket statements with other information that provides ambiguity. He, among others, discredited the Popular Mechanics garbage, which did nothing but attack cleverly selected strawman arguments.

Jim Hoffman is the same way, and he made an adequate response to Blanchard, including what he said about the seismic evidence: http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/blanchard/

I know you still deny this, but a Youtuber high school physics teacher named David Chandler compelled NIST to admit freefall in their final report, when before they denied it and stated that it would be inconsistent with the structural failure they were studying.

"Everyone you will ever meet knows something you don't." -Bill Nye

Also, if the "OEM engineer" actually worked for the FDNY as you claim, then his name would be known and Peter Hayden would have known who he was.

How does one exit a JREF thread, again? I believe they stop responding when there is nothing else worth responding to, resisting the bait of others.

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Redwood, there is no way to know how much smoke on the left picture is coming from WTC 5/6, as well as the picture on the left which shows the smoke that stuck to the south face of WTC 7 and later dissipated.

Are you trying to fool lurkers with misleading pictures?
The second picture was taken late afternoon, not long before collapse. WTC5+6 were just smouldering at that point in comparison. That smoke is from WTC7.

Here's another photo showing smoke plumes issuing from the windows at the top of the building. Please don't tell me they're smoke that has wafted up from nearby:



You seem to have consumed a large quantity of 9/11 muck and are now regurgitating it, bit by bit.
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The second picture was taken late afternoon, not long before collapse. WTC5+6 were just smouldering at that point in comparison. That smoke is from WTC7.
source?

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http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-53_1_small.jpg

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The photographer who took them and records of the state of WTC5+6. A further clue below:

The WTC1 photo of yours was taken just after WTC2 collapsed. That's primarily dust we're seeing. (and please learn to size your photos appropriately)
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Are you trying to fool lurkers with misleading pictures?

Misleading pictures?


Lurkers?



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How does one exit a JREF thread, again?

Well......for a start you have to invent a time machine and go back to a date before the 5th October 2014.
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Much of Adam Taylor's blog posts are scientifically minded in the sense that they correct false or misleading statements, as well as counter blanket statements with other information that provides ambiguity.
That's just wonderful. I'm sure he will go far
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Tfk, Much of Adam Taylor's blog posts are scientifically minded in the sense that they correct false or misleading statements, as well as counter blanket statements with other information that provides ambiguity. He, among others, discredited the Popular Mechanics garbage, which did nothing but attack cleverly selected strawman arguments.
No they aren't and no they don't, why are you lying again?


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How does one exit a JREF thread, again? I believe they stop responding when there is nothing else worth responding to, resisting the bait of others.
How are you supposed to get that new investigation if you keep running away and dodging people's questions????
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Okay so cutter charges weren't used and thermite wasn't used, what substance brought down the towers then? Did this substance bring down all three towers and the other buildings that collapsed that day or just the WTC 1, 2 and 7?



Iron microspheres are present in a lot of situations.

What exotic accelerant? Does it have a name?

Was this exotic accelerant the cause of the explosion heard in the Ashley Banfield video you posted?
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Still waiting....
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Says who?

You didn't answer my question, was the fire and area around WTC 7 dangerous or not?



Why would they want firefighters to "avoid WTC 7 like the plague" when they have murder on their mind. Wouldn't they want them in the building when it collapsed to add to the death toll. You're not making any sense?

Where would they find this water line, please explain?



That didn't answer my questions at all.

Again:

Well list a few, I'd like to hear a plausible explanation on why a group you claim wanted murder thousands of it's fellow citizens waited 7 hours and ended up killing not a single person.

Does that sound rational to you?





Ahhh so you're just trolling and have no evidence. No wonder more people now believe in BigFoot than the idiocy of 9/11 truth. Good job! You'll have that new investigation in no time!
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You think thermal expansion strengthens steel?

Can't wait for your explanation. Give it to us please.

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And still waiting micah...

You do know people can read and see you're avoiding questions right?
And still waiting... time for some more popcorn.

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How are you supposed to get that new investigation if you keep running away and dodging people's questions????
Nothing will be solved here and nobody will care. It doesn't matter how many quotes from the NFPA 921 eerily describe the WTC destruction, nor if you provide a specific example of possible criminal foreknowledge citing facts and examples. That is more than enough for any rational person. America should have instituted a policy to investigate inside job/high-level coverup in catalyzing terrorist attacks after that blunder with the security camera footage from the OKC bombing showing John Doe #2 was either "lost" or "never existed".

There's a point where you must leave. 65 pages and no facts will be tolerated without trolling and baiting. Doesn't matter if they're pointed out by experts or ordinary concerned citizens. If I get an emal back from the NFPA or I get FOIA requests approved, I'll post what I find. Otherwise, bye.

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Nothing will be solved here and nobody will care. It doesn't matter how many quotes from the NFPA 921 eerily describe the WTC destruction....................................
Any word from them?
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Originally Posted by Chief Michael Currid
Captain Michael Currid, the president of the Uniformed Fire Officers Association, said that some time after the collapse of the Twin Towers, “Someone from the city's Office of Emergency Management” told him that building 7 was “basically a lost cause and we should not lose anyone else trying to save it," after which the firefighters in the building were told to get out.
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That's a very interesting quote.

It seems plausible to me that "Someone from the city's Office of Emergency Management" might actually be Larry Silverstein, and the "fire department commander" that Silverstein mentions might be Currid.

They say basically the same thing, modulo the "lost cause" bit.
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Also, unlike other historic large fires like One Meridian Plaze, the fire could not have spread floor-to-floor.
I've seen reports that it happened. So your claim strikes me as odd. Why not?
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Nothing will be solved here and nobody will care. It doesn't matter how many quotes from the NFPA 921 eerily describe the WTC destruction, nor if you provide a specific example of possible criminal foreknowledge citing facts and examples. That is more than enough for any rational person. America should have instituted a policy to investigate inside job/high-level coverup in catalyzing terrorist attacks after that blunder with the security camera footage from the OKC bombing showing John Doe #2 was either "lost" or "never existed".

There's a point where you must leave. 65 pages and no facts will be tolerated without trolling and baiting. Doesn't matter if they're pointed out by experts or ordinary concerned citizens. If I get an emal back from the NFPA or I get FOIA requests approved, I'll post what I find. Otherwise, bye.
There was no inside job, no cover up. There were 19 idiots who supported UBL's state goal to kill Americans, they took four planes and crashed them on purpose.

This means your inside job, your BS about NFPA, your cover-up are failed options in some fantasy you can't explain.

McVeigh did OKC as he said he did. It does not take a genius to make a fertilizer bomb in the back of truck he rented. It does not take a genius to kill fellow humans for idiotic reason. UBL and McVeigh, failed humans you apologize for my making up crazy claims of inside job, cover-up, and BS illogical comparisons.

9/11 was a plot with two steps, even idiots could do it. 1. take plane, 2. crash planes - UBL and his idiot friends figured out the USA treats hijacking with hours of negotiations, and according to USA customs. This gives the simple plot, the secret plot of suicide dolts killing thousands, about the time it took Flight 93 Passengers to figure out 9/11. That is how the timing for figuring out multi-hijackings are fake, and it an attack with a weapon of mass destruction, our airlines used as weapons.

The destruction of the WTC complex was solely due to the acts of 10 terrorists and two planes. You have failed to make a valid claim, and you have no clue why that is the truth. You can't grasp reality, you can't restart from scratch, you have to have the fantasy and BS of an inside job, cover-up, and more based a lack of knowledge.
How many CTs do you have? JFK, RFK, OKC, TWA800, JFKjr, 9/11, what else, start a thread of the many CTs you have.

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... how many quotes from the NFPA 921 eerily describe the WTC destruction ...
This is the dumbest part of your quest. You fail to understand E=mgh was released, and each tower collapse due to fire had the energy due to gravity/mass/height of over 100 2,000 pound bombs; this is over 200 2,000 pound bombs worth of kinetic energy released on the WTC complex, crushing themselves and surrounding buildings... your "eerily describe" claptrap is illogical BS - and you don't understand why, after it is explained. 2+2 is four, but you are not paying attention.

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Nothing will be solved .
9/11 was solved when Flight 93 Passenger figure out 9/11 and took action. You are nearly 15 years behind showing no signs of converging on reality, or truth.
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I've seen reports that it happened. So your claim strikes me as odd. Why not?
I think it's because he needs them not to. He makes a lot of staments of fact but never actually supports them. What do you expect from a "truth" believer?
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