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Old 17th March 2019, 05:51 PM   #563
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I would be cautious quoting anything the NYT, Time, Newsweek, NPR or anything from the left media. Their agenda is to turn America brown again. But a wall along the border won't do anything unless the United States is willing to enforce the immigration laws that are already on the books. We should try that first. If that doesn't work then we can try the Israeli option.
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Old 17th March 2019, 05:55 PM   #564
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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy View Post
I would be cautious quoting anything the NYT, Time, Newsweek, NPR or anything from the left media. Their agenda is to turn America brown again. But a wall along the border won't do anything unless the United States is willing to enforce the immigration laws that are already on the books. We should try that first. If that doesn't work then we can try the Israeli option.
Can't have that, can we.
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Old 17th March 2019, 06:22 PM   #565
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Can't have that, can we.

Certainly not again. It took us a couple of centuries to put them all down the first time.

Don't want to waste all that hard work.
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Old 17th March 2019, 08:28 PM   #566
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Pretty literal NIMBY for borderland owners. Not that I disagree with them.
The term "NIMBY" is usually used for something that will benefit others while potentially harming you if you are close to it. Doesn't really apply here.
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Old 17th March 2019, 08:35 PM   #567
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Do you think that there needs to be some sort of border security for the US?

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Old 17th March 2019, 08:50 PM   #568
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Do you think that there needs to be some sort of border security for the US?

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Are you suggesting the Dems think there should not be? And is this a purely binary situation for you? (a) Trump's beautiful 40-foot concrete wall, or (b) Nothing at all except a welcome sign?
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Old 17th March 2019, 08:59 PM   #569
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Are you suggesting the Dems think there should not be? And is this a purely binary situation for you? (a) Trump's beautiful 40-foot concrete wall, or (b) Nothing at all except a welcome sign?
That's exactly how Trump loyalists are framing it. Trumpanzees want a wall. Democrats want open borders. They don't care if it's a lie, they will still say it.
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To Trump loyalists, there is an invasion happening. It's been happening for decades. They see their white privileged, culture threatened by a multicultural society that accepts people of all sizes, races, cultures, genders, and sexual orientation. This is what their wall is about, this is their national emergency.
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To Trump loyalists, there is an invasion happening. It's been happening for decades. They see their white privileged, culture threatened by a multicultural society that accepts people of all sizes, races, cultures, genders, and sexual orientation. This is what their wall is about, this is their national emergency.
They are trying to make the whole USA into their own gated community? Seriously??
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Pretty literal NIMBY for borderland owners. Not that I disagree with them.
So you think the rest of us need said wall and these guys just don't like it?

Couldn't possibly be they have a front row seat to the faux emergency?
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Old 17th March 2019, 09:25 PM   #573
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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy View Post
I would be cautious quoting anything the NYT, Time, Newsweek, NPR or anything from the left media. Their agenda is to turn America brown again. But a wall along the border won't do anything unless the United States is willing to enforce the immigration laws that are already on the books. We should try that first. If that doesn't work then we can try the Israeli option.
I strongly suggest you stop drinking that koolaid before you get a toxic dose. You're already exhibiting symptoms.
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Old 18th March 2019, 12:04 AM   #574
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I'm at times ashamed to be white. The fearful members of my tribe here in North America need to have it pounded into their skulls that they are the progeny of an invading horde of illegal immigrants who displaced and slaughtered the indigenous peoples on an almost genocidal scale.

Now they have the hypocritical temerity to claim that they are under seige. Even though the current crop of immigrants are demonstrably *at least* as peaceful as they.

The unmitigated gall of that lot of privileged, hateful, selfish, un-Christian (for that is what most *claim* to be) ingrates disgusts me. To the point that I derive some joy from their futile alarm at the browning of the white lands.

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I'm at times ashamed to be white. ...
I'm not. Those white supremacists don't represent me.
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Old 18th March 2019, 12:24 AM   #576
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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy View Post
I would be cautious quoting anything the NYT, Time, Newsweek, NPR or anything from the left media. Their agenda is to turn America brown again. But a wall along the border won't do anything unless the United States is willing to enforce the immigration laws that are already on the books. We should try that first. If that doesn't work then we can try the Israeli option.
Yes...only trust FOX News, Breitbart, and Infowars because they've earned the reputation for being fair and balanced. All else is Fake News. Their agenda is to Make America White Again...well...except for the brown people needed to pick our produce, clean our homes and mow our lawns.
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Old 18th March 2019, 03:26 AM   #577
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
The term "NIMBY" is usually used for something that will benefit others while potentially harming you if you are close to it. Doesn't really apply here.
I'm not criticizing the objections of the landowners. I'm just pointing out that it's a literal application of "Not In My Back Yard". It's an ever so slightly humorous aside, not anything more.
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Old 18th March 2019, 03:28 AM   #578
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
So you think the rest of us need said wall and these guys just don't like it?

Couldn't possibly be they have a front row seat to the faux emergency?
I said I don't disagree with the expressed sentiment. Geez Louise.
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I'm not. Those white supremacists don't represent me.
Exactly
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Are you suggesting the Dems think there should not be? And is this a purely binary situation for you? (a) Trump's beautiful 40-foot concrete wall, or (b) Nothing at all except a welcome sign?
I was just asking Ginger if she thought we should have some border security. Some think the borders should be removed.

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Old 18th March 2019, 07:03 AM   #581
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
To Trump loyalists, there is an invasion happening. It's been happening for decades. They see their white privileged, culture threatened by a multicultural society that accepts people of all sizes, races, cultures, genders, and sexual orientation. This is what their wall is about, this is their national emergency.

There was a comic strip I saw recently, using crude stick figures. I'll see if I can reproduce it with Alt-Codes.

☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺-Acceptable
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I said I don't disagree with the expressed sentiment. Geez Louise.
It's hard to express anything simply enough on this forum to avoid having it twisted -- "screwed up" is a telling Britishism -- into a monkey's head knot by one or more of our career objectors.

Trumb's wall? A crude boondoggle, meant only to shovel money into his pals' pockets, and his. They won't even bother with laundering it.
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
The term "NIMBY" is usually used for something that will benefit others while potentially harming you if you are close to it. Doesn't really apply here.

Eminent Domain property seizure could certainly be viewed as a form of harm, especially when the one whose property is being seized is doing the viewing.

I don't think NIMBY is all that far fetched.
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They are trying to make the whole USA into their own gated community? Seriously??

They're going to need a lot more wall.
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Most (at least 3/4ths from eyeballing the map, I didn't bother to count) border counties went Blue in the Presidential election of 2018 and of the border states one is going to go Democratic outside of some outside the even most insane realm of speculation and the other is going to go Republican outside of some outside the even most insane realm of speculation so basically from Trump's perspective the only political capital that isn't pure "talking point" being put at risk by "The Wall" are a few low population counties in Arizona and New Mexico.
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I was just asking Ginger if she thought we should have some border security. Some think the borders should be removed.

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Who thinks that? Please be specific.
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Who thinks that? Please be specific.
I believe I've seen a couple of posts to the effect that open borders are a good thing here on ISF, but I couldn't produce links to them or remember who the poster was. It's a very minority view, supported by no national politician I could name, and I've no reason to think that Skeptic Ginger is in that camp.

Perhaps Chris is asking an innocent question to clarify SG's position. It does seem like a leap, given the post which prompted the question (she merely pointed out that those on the Texas/Mexico border are opposed to the wall and it seems she is too), but it's harmless enough on its own. Better to ask such a question than to presume anyone opposed to the wall is opposed to all border security, I suppose.
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Since the Schegan is a thing I think we can safely assume the "Somebody somewhere thinks open borders are a thing that probably exists" variable.
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Since the Schegan is a thing I think we can safely assume the "Somebody somewhere thinks open borders are a thing that probably exists" variable.
"Schengen"?
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Who thinks that? Please be specific.
These People: https://noborderwalls.org/

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"Schengen"?
Yeah forgot an N, sorry.
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These People: https://noborderwalls.org/

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At a quick glance, I see no evidence on that site that supports your claim that "Some think the borders should be removed."

Opposing the building of a wall does not equate to removing the border itself.

1. Stopping something from happening is not removing it.
2. Borders and walls are not the same thing anyway.
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Wrong.
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I believe I've seen a couple of posts to the effect that open borders are a good thing here on ISF, but I couldn't produce links to them or remember who the poster was. It's a very minority view, supported by no national politician I could name, and I've no reason to think that Skeptic Ginger is in that camp.

Perhaps Chris is asking an innocent question to clarify SG's position. It does seem like a leap, given the post which prompted the question (she merely pointed out that those on the Texas/Mexico border are opposed to the wall and it seems she is too), but it's harmless enough on its own. Better to ask such a question than to presume anyone opposed to the wall is opposed to all border security, I suppose.
Yeah, in fact, I have made posts that are close to what he describes. In a perfect world I see no purpose for borders, but I also realize we are not in a perfect world and they are a necessity.

That said, he has no idea what he is talking about, and your point about SG and National Politicians is exactly what I was hoping to get at.
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These People: https://noborderwalls.org/

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That site seems to oppose a border wall. I didn't see any indication they are opposed to border security in toto.

Given this response, I guess I have to withdraw my previous semi-defense of Chris's question. He seems to think that there are two alternatives: Trump's wall or no border security at all. If you're opposed to the wall, then you're opposed to border security.

He's welcome to correct me, but that link sure does suggest this interpretation.
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I said I don't disagree with the expressed sentiment. Geez Louise.
You don't disagree but you still labeled it NIMBY.

I don't think NIMBY is the issue. That implies it is only the location that is the problem: yes we need a wall, just not here.
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You don't disagree but you still labeled it NIMBY.

I don't think NIMBY is the issue. That implies it is only the location that is the problem.
Oh, for God's sake, I labeled it NIMBY because it is a literal case of "Not In My Back Yard". I was explicitly not using NIMBY in the traditional, pejorative sense.

Give it a rest. Save your righteous indignation for appropriate targets.

ETA: Of course location is not the only problem. Duh. There are many good reasons for opposing Trump's wall. I have said so repeatedly, though not in the post that pulled your hair trigger because that post was just a simple, innocent observation that land owners are objecting, in part, to the construction of a wall on their property, loosely, their back yards.

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It's hard to express anything simply enough on this forum to avoid having it twisted -- "screwed up" is a telling Britishism -- into a monkey's head knot by one or more of our career objectors.
Am I supposed to be one of the career objectors?

I explained my objection, care to address the explanation rather than the "twisted" version of it?


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Trumb's wall? A crude boondoggle, meant only to shovel money into his pals' pockets, and his. They won't even bother with laundering it.
I don't object to this, I think it's about right. I think we need to see who Trump is paying for said wall and make it public.
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Originally Posted by sackett View Post
It's hard to express anything simply enough on this forum to avoid having it twisted -- "screwed up" is a telling Britishism -- into a monkey's head knot by one or more of our career objectors.
Indeed.
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
I believe I've seen a couple of posts to the effect that open borders are a good thing here on ISF, but I couldn't produce links to them or remember who the poster was. It's a very minority view, supported by no national politician I could name, and I've no reason to think that Skeptic Ginger is in that camp.

Perhaps Chris is asking an innocent question to clarify SG's position. It does seem like a leap, given the post which prompted the question (she merely pointed out that those on the Texas/Mexico border are opposed to the wall and it seems she is too), but it's harmless enough on its own. Better to ask such a question than to presume anyone opposed to the wall is opposed to all border security, I suppose.
I was appalled that Democratic Representative Gutierrez was for open borders. I believe he is the only one I saw with that POV.

Obviously it is not the common view of the Democrats but the right-wing, including Trump, have been repeating the lie so often they believe it no matter how many times it is refuted.
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