Passing Peak Trump? - Page 9

a_unique_person · 5th December 2017, 05:38 AM

What happened to HGC

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Beerina · 6th December 2017, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by hgc

First of all, yes this topic needs its own thread. This is about the long-term trend in Donald Trump's position in this race relative to the competition for the GOP nomination.

The thread title is inspired by an event that Trump did yesterday in South Carolina where the room was not even half filled and the cable news networks gave scant live coverage. The purpose of this thread is to track Trump's progress in poll standings and speculate on his evolving chances of being the nominee.

I'm not saying that Trump is definitely not going to win this nomination. But if he's not going to win it, then we will see a slide somewhere, sometime. Has that slide started now? Trump is a creature of the obsessive coverage by the political and entertainment media, which is a milieu where he generally is the most capable exploiter of the features of the landscape. But when the media coverage starts to slacken, if for no other reason than that the entertainment gets stale, he's probably going to suffer in his popularity.

Thoughts?

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applecorped · 22nd December 2017, 12:18 PM

Any day now...

applecorped · 20th March 2018, 05:31 PM

Slowest passing evah

applecorped · 16th May 2018, 11:01 AM

Have we passed Peak Trump yet?

mgidm86 · 16th May 2018, 11:46 AM

Not sure, but I just passed gas.

The Don · 17th May 2018, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

Have we passed Peak Trump yet?

IMO no.

He will be President for another six and a half years and his legacy, in terms of the way in which the US electorate look at facts and lies and the trust (or otherwise) that they have in their representatives will pervade for decades.

If "Trumpism" becomes the new norm and the two major parties become mirrors of each other, disregarding basic facts, brazenly lying in the face of irrefutable proof and retreating to the support of their own echo-chambers then Peak Trump is years, decades even, away.

If the US electorate reject this kind of politics and instead returns to business as usual, where politicians have the common decency to at least look a little shifty when caught out in a lie, then Peak Trump will have occurred at some point during President Trump's second term.

applecorped · 14th July 2018, 06:11 PM

How about now?

The Don · 15th July 2018, 02:27 AM

My previous answer still applies.

Skeptic Ginger · 16th July 2018, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by The Don

My previous answer still applies.

Impeachment aside, you still believe Trump will win re-election?

No way.

Distracted1 · 16th July 2018, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by applecorped

How about now?

Yes. Now.

LSSBB · 16th July 2018, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by applecorped

How about now?

Trump jumped the shark with "Build the wall and make Mexico pay for it" (or maybe pussygate, or the porn star to porn star payoff. But I digress).

It's just taking a loooooong time for ratings to catch up. He's was at least as popular as Fonzie.

The Don · 17th July 2018, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Impeachment aside, you still believe Trump will win re-election?

No way.

I think that President Trump will still have a decent shot at re-election in 2020 unless one or more of the following happens:

He is unwilling or unable to stand for re-election
There is a recession between now and 2020 which results in wide scale job losses
The Democratic Party finds policies and a candidate to actively appeal to the electorate, not just "Not Trump"

Even the latest debacle in Helsinki will blow over IMO. None of the GOP politicians who have criticised him are seeking reelection which means that the serving GOP is still foursquare behind him.

Hlafordlaes · 17th July 2018, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

I think that President Trump will still have a decent shot at re-election in 2020 unless one or more of the following happens:

He is unwilling or unable to stand for re-election
There is a recession between now and 2020 which results in wide scale job losses
The Democratic Party finds policies and a candidate to actively appeal to the electorate, not just "Not Trump"

Even the latest debacle in Helsinki will blow over IMO. None of the GOP politicians who have criticised him are seeking reelection which means that the serving GOP is still foursquare behind him.

And the constants: (1) No change in major party donors, their motives, and the singular passion for money absent all other criteria. (2) Rapidly increasing sophistication of the means and methods for spreading propaganda. (3) The ongoing shift in demographics concentrating educated voters in few voting districts, denying an informed citizenry access to power and elevating would-be prophets and saviors. (4) The Protestant Taliban, preaching the Utopian Freedom Gospel (Whites only, shhh).

a_unique_person · 17th July 2018, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

I think that President Trump will still have a decent shot at re-election in 2020 unless one or more of the following happens:

He is unwilling or unable to stand for re-election
There is a recession between now and 2020 which results in wide scale job losses
The Democratic Party finds policies and a candidate to actively appeal to the electorate, not just "Not Trump"

Even the latest debacle in Helsinki will blow over IMO. None of the GOP politicians who have criticised him are seeking reelection which means that the serving GOP is still foursquare behind him.

He is a useful idiot. They just can't believe how much of an idiot.

3point14 · 17th July 2018, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

Even the latest debacle in Helsinki will blow over IMO. None of the GOP politicians who have criticised him are seeking reelection which means that the serving GOP is still foursquare behind him.

If 'not Trump' isn't good enough, then I think the US is, not to put to fine a point on it, **********.

WilliamSeger · 17th July 2018, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by 3point14

If 'not Trump' isn't good enough, then I think the US is, not to put to fine a point on it, **********.

Yep, you'd think that would be the one thing we could all agree on.

sir drinks-a-lot · 17th July 2018, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

I think that President Trump will still have a decent shot at re-election in 2020 unless one or more of the following happens:

He is unwilling or unable to stand for re-election
There is a recession between now and 2020 which results in wide scale job losses
The Democratic Party finds policies and a candidate to actively appeal to the electorate, not just "Not Trump"

Even the latest debacle in Helsinki will blow over IMO. None of the GOP politicians who have criticised him are seeking reelection which means that the serving GOP is still foursquare behind him.

Agree with the above, or there could be a major SNAFU shortly before election time that could hurt his chances.

As bad as the Stinky in Helsinki was, I think it will pass soon with the speed at which the news cycle moves these days.

Barring any of that, I think he stands a pretty decent chance in 2020.

3point14 · 17th July 2018, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot

Agree with the above, or there could be major SNAFU shortly before election time that could hurt his chances.

I genuinely cannot think of anything the man could do that would make any difference.

Even the most egregious acts will have the more simple members of the US voting public respond with 'Well, I'll show you!', and voting for him - These people are probably very susceptible to reverse psychology*. Might help his turn out, in fact.

Safe-Keeper · 22nd July 2018, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

I think that President Trump will still have a decent shot at re-election in 2020 unless one or more of the following happens:

He is unwilling or unable to stand for re-election
There is a recession between now and 2020 which results in wide scale job losses
The Democratic Party finds policies and a candidate to actively appeal to the electorate, not just "Not Trump"

Even the latest debacle in Helsinki will blow over IMO. None of the GOP politicians who have criticised him are seeking reelection which means that the serving GOP is still foursquare behind him.

Isn't there also the possiblity of Mueller or others digging up something so incriminating that he loses popularity or is even impeached?

WilliamSeger · 22nd July 2018, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Isn't there also the possiblity of Mueller or others digging up something so incriminating that he loses popularity or is even impeached?

There's a long list of possible reasons why Trump will not serve another term, and you'd want long odds to bet on any specific one of them, but when you add them up...

JoeMorgue · 22nd July 2018, 10:28 AM

Again until the list of reasons Trump can't possibly serve another term is longer or indeed even functionally different from the list of reasons Trump couldn't possibly have been elected in the first place, I'm not impressed.

Now to be clear I do think Trump has much less chance of getting a second term (or indeed even getting to a second term) but the Democrat's "Oh he's a joke, we've got this in the bag, look at all these reasons I'm right" mentality is exactly what got us into this mess in the first place.

WilliamSeger · 22nd July 2018, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Again until the list of reasons Trump can't possibly serve another term is longer or indeed even functionally different from the list of reasons Trump couldn't possibly have been elected in the first place, I'm not impressed.

Now to be clear I do think Trump has much less chance of getting a second term (or indeed even getting to a second term) but the Democrat's "Oh he's a joke, we've got this in the bag, look at all these reasons I'm right" mentality is exactly what got us into this mess in the first place.

Fortunately, that's not what's happening. The weekend before the 4th of July, there were about 750 demonstrations across the country, mainly to protest Trump's family separation policy but there was also a very successful voter registration drive. Neither got a lot of media attention, but what it means is that there are intensive grass-roots organization and mobilization efforts underway. I hope Republicans keep ignoring it.

Safe-Keeper · 22nd July 2018, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by WilliamSeger

Fortunately, that's not what's happening. The weekend before the 4th of July, there were about 750 demonstrations across the country, mainly to protest Trump's family separation policy but there was also a very successful voter registration drive. Neither got a lot of media attention, but what it means is that there are intensive grass-roots organization and mobilization efforts underway. I hope Republicans keep ignoring it.

Yeah, people seem to have learned from both Trump's victory and Brexit. They know they have to actually vote now. That alone is probably going to make a difference.

Still crossing my fingers, though

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JoeMorgue · 22nd July 2018, 10:54 AM

Okay at not one point in modern American history has "Looki tall this passion and protesting" actually lead to higher vote turnout, but this time will be different. Sure let's count on that.

Voter turnout will be between 55 and 60 percent, probably closer to 55, in 2020. The midterm will be between 40 and 50, probably closer to 40.

As always "Didn't vote" will remain the uncontested champion of every election in the US.

Craig4 · 22nd July 2018, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Impeachment aside, you still believe Trump will win re-election?

No way.

Yes, Trump can be re-elected. The Democrats have to walk a fine line. They need a real primary process, one without a predetermined outcome but not so rough the candidate is damaged goods going into the convention. They're going to really have to work on getting out the Obama voters who stayed home and the lesser of two evils voters who held their nose and voted for Trump.

If Democrats don't have proper respect for Trump and his Russian allies, yes they can lose 2020.

WilliamSeger · 22nd July 2018, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Okay at not one point in modern American history has "Looki tall this passion and protesting" actually lead to higher vote turnout, but this time will be different. Sure let's count on that.

Voter turnout will be between 55 and 60 percent, probably closer to 55, in 2020. The midterm will be between 40 and 50, probably closer to 40.

As always "Didn't vote" will remain the uncontested champion of every election in the US.

I really don't see why you think Democrats are just "counting" on it happening all by itself, or why you think people will be so apathetic about what's happening.

applecorped · 18th August 2018, 03:50 AM

Longest passing......ever

Slings and Arrows · 18th August 2018, 04:33 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

Longest passing......ever

The earlier comments in this thread from our resident prognosticators: Priceless!

a_unique_person · 19th August 2018, 12:15 AM

Right about ...... now.

Cain · 19th August 2018, 12:33 AM

What happened with hgc? (I can't do a name search because he stupidly made his handle three characters. His last post almost three years ago.)

Upchurch · 19th August 2018, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by Slings and Arrows

The earlier comments in this thread from our resident prognosticators: Priceless!

I know that I, for one, sorely overestimated the consistency and integrity of the Republican base.

The Great Zaganza · 19th August 2018, 12:45 PM

Omarosa constitutes Trump's peak.

a_unique_person · 19th August 2018, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Cain

What happened with hgc? (I can't do a name search because he stupidly made his handle three characters. His last post almost three years ago.)

No idea. I have asked the same question. He was a real asset to the forum.

WilliamSeger · 19th August 2018, 03:12 PM

We passed Peak Trump on Inauguration Day. It's been downhill ever since.

applecorped · 30th August 2018, 03:40 PM

applecorped · 28th September 2018, 03:20 AM

Getting closer!!!!

The Great Zaganza · 28th September 2018, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

all I needed to know.

Tero · 30th September 2018, 04:33 PM

There may have been some jobs issue in 2016. The coal jobs are never coming back to a great extent. The general message to low income voters was that Trump was going to give the jobs. Cappy jobs. Hillary offered community college and careers. They just wanted the crappy jobs.

Tax cut has been disappointing for them. Only the hatred of all government will bring those same vorers out 2020.

America gets tired of politicians quickly. 6 years ok, but they are tired of all presidents soonafter that.

AnonyMoose · 30th September 2018, 05:51 PM

Three years have passed and Rah Rah Trump™ is still going strong.

I'm starting to think it's not Trump that's the problem afterall...

*cough*

5th December 2017, 05:38 AM	#321
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22nd December 2017, 12:18 PM	#323
applecorped Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 20,145	Any day now...
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20th March 2018, 05:31 PM	#324
applecorped Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 20,145	Slowest passing evah
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16th May 2018, 11:01 AM	#325
applecorped Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 20,145	Have we passed Peak Trump yet?
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16th May 2018, 11:46 AM	#326
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17th May 2018, 12:28 AM	#327
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,668	Originally Posted by applecorped Have we passed Peak Trump yet? IMO no. He will be President for another six and a half years and his legacy, in terms of the way in which the US electorate look at facts and lies and the trust (or otherwise) that they have in their representatives will pervade for decades. If "Trumpism" becomes the new norm and the two major parties become mirrors of each other, disregarding basic facts, brazenly lying in the face of irrefutable proof and retreating to the support of their own echo-chambers then Peak Trump is years, decades even, away. If the US electorate reject this kind of politics and instead returns to business as usual, where politicians have the common decency to at least look a little shifty when caught out in a lie, then Peak Trump will have occurred at some point during President Trump's second term.

14th July 2018, 06:11 PM	#328
applecorped Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 20,145	How about now?
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15th July 2018, 02:27 AM	#329
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,668	My previous answer still applies.

16th July 2018, 06:36 PM	#330
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 88,035	Originally Posted by The Don My previous answer still applies. Impeachment aside, you still believe Trump will win re-election? No way.

16th July 2018, 06:48 PM	#331
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,628	Originally Posted by applecorped How about now? Yes. Now.
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16th July 2018, 07:54 PM	#332
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelors Grove Cemetery Posts: 20,058	Originally Posted by applecorped How about now? Trump jumped the shark with "Build the wall and make Mexico pay for it" (or maybe pussygate, or the porn star to porn star payoff. But I digress). It's just taking a loooooong time for ratings to catch up. He's was at least as popular as Fonzie.
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17th July 2018, 12:43 AM	#333
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,668	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Impeachment aside, you still believe Trump will win re-election? No way. I think that President Trump will still have a decent shot at re-election in 2020 unless one or more of the following happens: He is unwilling or unable to stand for re-election There is a recession between now and 2020 which results in wide scale job losses The Democratic Party finds policies and a candidate to actively appeal to the electorate, not just "Not Trump" Even the latest debacle in Helsinki will blow over IMO. None of the GOP politicians who have criticised him are seeking reelection which means that the serving GOP is still foursquare behind him.

17th July 2018, 12:59 AM	#334
Hlafordlaes Disorder of Kilopi Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: State of Flux Posts: 15,012	Originally Posted by The Don I think that President Trump will still have a decent shot at re-election in 2020 unless one or more of the following happens: He is unwilling or unable to stand for re-election There is a recession between now and 2020 which results in wide scale job losses The Democratic Party finds policies and a candidate to actively appeal to the electorate, not just "Not Trump" Even the latest debacle in Helsinki will blow over IMO. None of the GOP politicians who have criticised him are seeking reelection which means that the serving GOP is still foursquare behind him. And the constants: (1) No change in major party donors, their motives, and the singular passion for money absent all other criteria. (2) Rapidly increasing sophistication of the means and methods for spreading propaganda. (3) The ongoing shift in demographics concentrating educated voters in few voting districts, denying an informed citizenry access to power and elevating would-be prophets and saviors. (4) The Protestant Taliban, preaching the Utopian Freedom Gospel (Whites only, shhh).
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17th July 2018, 01:58 AM	#335
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waiting for the pod bay door to open. Posts: 43,093	Originally Posted by The Don I think that President Trump will still have a decent shot at re-election in 2020 unless one or more of the following happens: He is unwilling or unable to stand for re-election There is a recession between now and 2020 which results in wide scale job losses The Democratic Party finds policies and a candidate to actively appeal to the electorate, not just "Not Trump" Even the latest debacle in Helsinki will blow over IMO. None of the GOP politicians who have criticised him are seeking reelection which means that the serving GOP is still foursquare behind him. He is a useful idiot. They just can't believe how much of an idiot.
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17th July 2018, 03:41 AM	#336
3point14 Pi Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 20,663	Originally Posted by The Don Even the latest debacle in Helsinki will blow over IMO. None of the GOP politicians who have criticised him are seeking reelection which means that the serving GOP is still foursquare behind him. If 'not Trump' isn't good enough, then I think the US is, not to put to fine a point on it, **********.
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17th July 2018, 09:13 AM	#337
WilliamSeger Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,092	Originally Posted by 3point14 If 'not Trump' isn't good enough, then I think the US is, not to put to fine a point on it, ********. Yep, you'd think that would be the one** thing we could all agree on.

17th July 2018, 09:42 AM	#338
sir drinks-a-lot Illuminator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cole Valley, CA Posts: 4,513	Originally Posted by The Don I think that President Trump will still have a decent shot at re-election in 2020 unless one or more of the following happens: He is unwilling or unable to stand for re-election There is a recession between now and 2020 which results in wide scale job losses The Democratic Party finds policies and a candidate to actively appeal to the electorate, not just "Not Trump" Even the latest debacle in Helsinki will blow over IMO. None of the GOP politicians who have criticised him are seeking reelection which means that the serving GOP is still foursquare behind him. Agree with the above, or there could be a major SNAFU shortly before election time that could hurt his chances. As bad as the Stinky in Helsinki was, I think it will pass soon with the speed at which the news cycle moves these days. Barring any of that, I think he stands a pretty decent chance in 2020.
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17th July 2018, 09:48 AM	#339
3point14 Pi Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 20,663	Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot Agree with the above, or there could be major SNAFU shortly before election time that could hurt his chances. I genuinely cannot think of anything the man could do that would make any difference. Even the most egregious acts will have the more simple members of the US voting public respond with 'Well, I'll show you!', and voting for him - These people are probably very susceptible to reverse psychology*. Might help his turn out, in fact.
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22nd July 2018, 09:34 AM	#340
Safe-Keeper Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 10,396	Originally Posted by The Don I think that President Trump will still have a decent shot at re-election in 2020 unless one or more of the following happens: He is unwilling or unable to stand for re-election There is a recession between now and 2020 which results in wide scale job losses The Democratic Party finds policies and a candidate to actively appeal to the electorate, not just "Not Trump" Even the latest debacle in Helsinki will blow over IMO. None of the GOP politicians who have criticised him are seeking reelection which means that the serving GOP is still foursquare behind him. Isn't there also the possiblity of Mueller or others digging up something so incriminating that he loses popularity or is even impeached?
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22nd July 2018, 10:24 AM	#341
WilliamSeger Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,092	Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper Isn't there also the possiblity of Mueller or others digging up something so incriminating that he loses popularity or is even impeached? There's a long list of possible reasons why Trump will not serve another term, and you'd want long odds to bet on any specific one of them, but when you add them up...

22nd July 2018, 10:28 AM	#342
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,717	Again until the list of reasons Trump can't possibly serve another term is longer or indeed even functionally different from the list of reasons Trump couldn't possibly have been elected in the first place, I'm not impressed. Now to be clear I do think Trump has much less chance of getting a second term (or indeed even getting to a second term) but the Democrat's "Oh he's a joke, we've got this in the bag, look at all these reasons I'm right" mentality is exactly what got us into this mess in the first place.
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22nd July 2018, 10:38 AM	#343
WilliamSeger Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,092	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Again until the list of reasons Trump can't possibly serve another term is longer or indeed even functionally different from the list of reasons Trump couldn't possibly have been elected in the first place, I'm not impressed. Now to be clear I do think Trump has much less chance of getting a second term (or indeed even getting to a second term) but the Democrat's "Oh he's a joke, we've got this in the bag, look at all these reasons I'm right" mentality is exactly what got us into this mess in the first place. Fortunately, that's not what's happening. The weekend before the 4th of July, there were about 750 demonstrations across the country, mainly to protest Trump's family separation policy but there was also a very successful voter registration drive. Neither got a lot of media attention, but what it means is that there are intensive grass-roots organization and mobilization efforts underway. I hope Republicans keep ignoring it.

22nd July 2018, 10:47 AM	#344
Safe-Keeper Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 10,396	Originally Posted by WilliamSeger Fortunately, that's not what's happening. The weekend before the 4th of July, there were about 750 demonstrations across the country, mainly to protest Trump's family separation policy but there was also a very successful voter registration drive. Neither got a lot of media attention, but what it means is that there are intensive grass-roots organization and mobilization efforts underway. I hope Republicans keep ignoring it. Yeah, people seem to have learned from both Trump's victory and Brexit. They know they have to actually vote now. That alone is probably going to make a difference. Still crossing my fingers, though : .
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22nd July 2018, 10:54 AM	#345
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,717	Okay at not one point in modern American history has "Looki tall this passion and protesting" actually lead to higher vote turnout, but this time will be different. Sure let's count on that. Voter turnout will be between 55 and 60 percent, probably closer to 55, in 2020. The midterm will be between 40 and 50, probably closer to 40. As always "Didn't vote" will remain the uncontested champion of every election in the US.
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22nd July 2018, 11:06 AM	#346
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,917	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Impeachment aside, you still believe Trump will win re-election? No way. Yes, Trump can be re-elected. The Democrats have to walk a fine line. They need a real primary process, one without a predetermined outcome but not so rough the candidate is damaged goods going into the convention. They're going to really have to work on getting out the Obama voters who stayed home and the lesser of two evils voters who held their nose and voted for Trump. If Democrats don't have proper respect for Trump and his Russian allies, yes they can lose 2020.

22nd July 2018, 11:12 AM	#347
WilliamSeger Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,092	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Okay at not one point in modern American history has "Looki tall this passion and protesting" actually lead to higher vote turnout, but this time will be different. Sure let's count on that. Voter turnout will be between 55 and 60 percent, probably closer to 55, in 2020. The midterm will be between 40 and 50, probably closer to 40. As always "Didn't vote" will remain the uncontested champion of every election in the US. I really don't see why you think Democrats are just "counting" on it happening all by itself, or why you think people will be so apathetic about what's happening.

18th August 2018, 03:50 AM	#348
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18th August 2018, 04:33 AM	#349
Slings and Arrows Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: USA Posts: 1,743	Originally Posted by applecorped Longest passing......ever The earlier comments in this thread from our resident prognosticators: Priceless!

19th August 2018, 12:15 AM	#350
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19th August 2018, 12:33 AM	#351
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19th August 2018, 08:19 AM	#352
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 32,468	Originally Posted by Slings and Arrows The earlier comments in this thread from our resident prognosticators: Priceless! I know that I, for one, sorely overestimated the consistency and integrity of the Republican base.
	__________________ "There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact." -- Sherlock Holmes. "It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." -- Mark Twain, maybe.

19th August 2018, 12:45 PM	#353
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,891	Omarosa constitutes Trump's peak.
	__________________ The things that you're liable To read in the Bible It ain't necessarily so

19th August 2018, 02:58 PM	#354
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waiting for the pod bay door to open. Posts: 43,093	Originally Posted by Cain What happened with hgc? (I can't do a name search because he stupidly made his handle three characters. His last post almost three years ago.) No idea. I have asked the same question. He was a real asset to the forum.
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19th August 2018, 03:12 PM	#355
WilliamSeger Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,092	We passed Peak Trump on Inauguration Day. It's been downhill ever since.

30th August 2018, 03:40 PM	#356
applecorped Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 20,145
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